100% Confident


If you need one you'll never see one..

If your late there will be one on route with speed camera and that little lecture before they let you get back on your way! Oh and your £60.00 quid fine of course.

 

Sorry alcazar yes you are right, any government and with M. Howard supporting ID cards there's the proof.

 

I don't have much confidence in the police .... but I'm living in Holland of course, where politicians or filmmakers are murdered if someone doesn't like their ideas .......

 

it's all about figures about 85% of motoring convictions and 98% of speeding stand now compare this with Crimes against the person or Property they don't catch that many let alone convict

"We" are just a VERY easy Target

Tony

Ps I find most Traffic cops are OK, its the Beat Cops, they try to "beat up" motorist's like they do Saturday night reveller, when Camrea's are about IMHO

 

Hehe

I agree with alot on here, but as I cop I know the truth, i know how it works, I know the constraints we are faced with, remember lads 90% of our time (section officers) is spent on council estates!!! Most of our rules and policies come from the top, which every officer on the beat will tell you is ****E!!!!!!

take it from me, he who has never been a cop, has no idea how it works, end of the day, if u get us there within a few minutes of a 999 call then u needed us!!!! outside of that, u needed someone who could record a crime and thats that. If only people would understand.

remember posts on here where the Police are praised by there arrival at serious incidents, armed crime response has been dealt with on other threads, we as always are only remembered by the bad cop ........................

 

So what are you/your union/your federation doing about it, and how are you bringing the fact that it's ****e to the public, so we can support you in getting it changed?
If the answer is "nothing and we aren't", you need to wake up and smell the coffee!

I hope I've read you wrong here. I hope I'm not meant to "understand" that minor crimes are now beyond your control so all we "need" is a crime number?

Alcazar

 

There's no doubt that the obsession with petty speeding offences has eroded public confidence in the Police. As a result, the number of Police informants are dropping rapidly.

The Police rely on these people when investigating "real" crimes, so this is not a good thing for Law & Order in general.

 

very true

unfortunately the last 10 dealings with the Police and 3 traffic dealings only 3 were ever dealt with properly IMHO the other 10 have left a very sour taste, that's not good odd's. and you can see by the Poll, it's not just me

My kids are 15, 21 & 23 in the early years I always taught them to respect the Police but that's worn well off now. The next generation won't even bother.

Tony

 

And after my dealings, I've brought my two lads up to TRUST the police as far as you could chuck a carload

Unfortunate, but necessary and the safe option now.

Alcazar

 

I suppose it depends on whether the issue is couldn't be arsed to deal, or didn't have anyone to deal cos they are too busy dealing with some crap job....the problem, believe me, is the latter....too much ****, not enough coppers...you'll have to talk to President Tony about that one......

 

How can anyone have an issue with ID cards, it'll almost eliminate Sec 25 arrests for starters...if you are a good guy, and ID card might speed up your encounters with police (believe me, we don't want to waste your time) and if you are a bad guy you deserve to get caught!!!
Everyone should carry them and get an equivalent of a producer if they get stopped and don't have it with them....

 

Ok, I work for West Yorkshire Police in Scientific Support.

I believe (read know) that the police get bogged down with petty crimes, but I also know that they have no choice than to see them through to their conclusion.

When we get a job that involves a major crime then it is made a priority and you would not believe the effort made to ensure everything is done that can be done. For example, within 3 hours of a street attack a victim was able to pick out the person suspected for att murder via video ID. This was a couple of hours before they died. Talk about fast acting to get justice done.

I have had a couple of cars broken into and had no help, so there are 2 sides to every story.

 

Without wanting to start the whole ID card debate again please accept that I do have an issue with them. You, for your own reasons do not.
What I do know, from my many years in this country is that we have all paid more and more both as individuals and through tax to "deal" with crime.
It hasn't worked!
Neither will ID cards.
But please let us agree to differ.

 

I believe the police will act if its something major or something involving a moving motor vehicle :

Exhibit A
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The wife's car was broken into a couple of years back (bent the door back on a 306) and prints were in the dirt all over her car. Police weren't in the slightest bit interested and said to come and report the crime at the station for insurance purposes whenever we had the time.

Exhibit B
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I got tugged for doing a (non dangerous) illegal U turn outside my place of work last Friday night, which is fair enough*, but the motorbike copper who pulled me over wasn't in the slightest bit interested in the dozen or more cyclists who went past us without any lights on whatsoever.

* considering I've been doing it everyday for last 3 years, a 30 quid fine and no points is quite a result in fact.



Suresh

 

Not a problem with that at all.....it's the people on here that won't even consider there is another opinion that interests me!!

 

But, what you might like to think about is that I am a white ,middle class, "middle aged" male who now has very little respect for the Police Force of this country. I see you as ineffective and part of the tax gathering apparatus for Gordon Brown. Most of this tax going "down the drain".
I understand that you are under senior officers who don't get to be senior without toeing the "party line" but why isn't the Police Federation communicating with people like me?

 

For the benefit of any solicitor reading what Welloilbeefhooked meant to say was, 'a suspect who had been arrested for attempt murder, interviewed and bailed pending a Viper ID was picked out by the victim of an attack' (sly nod to all coppers reading this thread!!!)

 

mmm...only 12% of people have confidence in the Police to solve major crimes, 3% minor crimes and 53% confident that the police will prosecute for speeding offences.

Not forgetting that there have been Police Officers in the poll too.

Bob

 

Sadly the Federation is there to protect me and my colleagues, much like a trade union, albeit one that can't go on strike.
Your police authority are the ones to be held accountable....it should be made up of a mixture of senior officers, local councillors (gawd bless 'em), and members of the public (ex lawyers and so on, but anyone could do it)....and of course they have to toe the government line as well.
Like anything the one to complain to is your MP....and we all know that's where the problems lie in the first place, regardless of which party you vote for....
I certainly agree that Council Tax seems to keep going up and yet the services it pays for seem not to improve....remember i pay it as well, hell, in a sense i pay part of my own wages!!!
My colleagues and i would run things very differently but it's not down to us.....for example, we tend to forget that while a common assault is about as low as it comes on the scale of bad things to do and as a result not considered a ministerial policing priority, for the victim, it might be a very big deal indeed.
I don't want to make excuses but would it surprise you that last Friday night, in an area that is over 250 square miles and has around 45,000 residents, there were only 4 of us at work at 10pm when the pubs were starting to kick out...crap isn't it!!!

 

Chris,

Thanks for that. It was exactly what I meant to say.

Green STI wagon by any chance?

 

WRXPete.
Point taken. Just goes to prove what a load of "spin" that, "things can only get better"
rubbish has turned out to be.

 

No mate, white prodrive classic!!!

I'd like to add my opinion on the poll but as a cop feel it would not be unbiased so i'll jot it here.

Confidence in police to solve crime? 50/50 if they are left alone long enough to get on with their job.

Confidence in police to stop disorder? Totally depends on who turns up, if its me there's a strong chance but i carry a gun so i have an equaliser!

Confidence in police solving major crime? Plenty. Many arrests, warrants etc are done outside the public eye (rightly so) and don't get reported but i KNOW they have helped stop loss of either life or property in a big way. The resources thrown at major ops is ok and stand a good chance of getting solved if it is solvable.

Confidence in police in general? Where i live, not all that hot, where i work, we give it our best shot 24/7. Sometimes we win, sometimes the bad person gets away but as we say in the force, they'll come again!!

P.S. Our new burglary initiative means you will be seen in person within 30 mins of reporting a burglary and the full resource of CSI will be used, whatever the circs, as opposed to whether the reporting officer believes it to be worth it or not. We are getting good results like this and are hopeful it will continue. Ball ache to do, an average burglary report now takes on average 2-3 hours to do but worth it in the long term.

 

Speaking from experience I can honestly say that the Police Force is a lot like most major organisations. I am certain most people join for the right reasons and are excellent coppers, but every organisation has it's tw@ts and those are the ones most people talk about.

As far as the public opinion; it is unfortunate that a few power hungry, a$$ kissing senior officers impose such restrictions, targets and practices on a decent bunch of officers making their jobs nigh on impossible on a daily basis... Rant over.. Trust me, same everywhere... few gits spoil it for the rest...

 

the folowing is excluding traffic cops cus they are odd.

i know 2 guys who aree police. i knew them at school. they wanted to become police to help people and put something back into the community, it was actually their dream job, they ae good people as are most police. They both want to leave now cus every day they are either ordered to sit in laybys waiting for speeding motorists or sent to break up fights and pick drunk people off the floor outside clubs. Dont blame the police on the streets, imagine how they feel, blame the ones who give the orders.

 

OK, but what are they DOING about it, except leave?

If those inside can't agitate for change, what hope for those of us who just get shat on by them?

Alcazar

 

It's called rocking the boat. I've got nearly 25 years to do in this job, i know the decisions made by higher ranks (they prefer supervisors but at the end of the day i still believe we are a disciplined service and respect rank!) are not negotiable by the likes of myself. I start questionning and i'll fin myself pushing a panda again quick snap. Again the same as any other job aint it but we don't hear the nurses or doctors slagged off do we when one makes a mistake and chops the wrong nut off do we?!

 

I am of the belief that the people who make this job harder are the people above us, the chief inspectors etc. These people need to justify their existence and in order to move higher up the chain they need to impress the right people. It is these coppers, who did the streets years ago, pre PACE days and have no idea who now calls the Police. My time is spent on council estates sorting out scum who report on other scum.

trust me i dont want to be there, stood in a house full of dog ****e, little kids spewing everywhere or ****ing themselves. Mothers and fathers who are drugged up etc etc

many people have had bad dealings with the Police, i dont stand up for coppers who abuse the position of authority. These days there are now guidelines in place to sort out how quick coppers need to attend.

well this is for GMP

crime ongoing or violent: - Immediate response (ie within 10 mins) usually only 3-4 mins

burglary: - Within the hour (and we will be there for minimum TWO hours (remember council people call us for their brand new 36inch plasma which has somehow been nicked)

domestics: - usually immediate

assualt that occured an hour or later: - placed in the q behind most

robbery: - immediate

and today for me, a road rage incident between two very fast nice cars .... i was there from time of call logged to my arrival ...... 1 minute.

All depends where we are, how good the information is, the traffic flow etc and how many coppers.

In the end most coppers will tell you, if we could run the show as section officers, we could do so much more to solving crimes, responding beter etc.

The last job i attended prior to leaving work tonight was 30-40 people fighting at a pub .... how many coppers on route??????? hmmmmmm TWO!!!

Now who on here would like to a copper on the response to that one?? Was it actually happening, YES!!! But main thing, we both made it back home!!

Anyway enough ranting but there u go! enjoy

 

how about without the 'ifs'. Still 50/50??

Bob

 

If not left alone I would say that unless we have eyewitness accounts and good id or better still a name of offender this would drop to about 25%. What you have to remember is that there is only so much we can do, someone keys your car in the night, no fingerprint evidence (even if there is, without a match we're snookered) no eyewitness and noone knows offender, thats it we cant do any more so crime remains undetected. We can get SOCO out but again without matches?

Foot prints? Not much good to us unfortunately on this type of crime (or many crimes to be honest), unless we catch an offender pretty soon after offence these prints are not all there cracked up to be. Take for example someone smashes a window and leave a footprint of a Nike Shox (wonder why i chose that one?). We take a shot of print. Now two weeks later the offender is picked up and we think he did window. we find Shox, but since the window incident he has stood on glass, stones etc and changed pattern on shoe? No good at all to us, its a different print!

So i'll not lie, we do not detect a hell of a lot of stuff, what can i say, we're not all like the Bill where its sorted in an hour?!

 

No confidence what so ever after a number of recent incidents. Car broken into.... Not interested, didn't bother coming around, but gave me a lovely crime reference number

Daughter got hit by Ex wifes partner. Reported to the Police and they took pictures of the bruising, didn't even bother calling / contacting Ex wife or me.

Came out of pub a few months ago with a mate who was a little pissed. Apparently there had been drama there earlier. Mate thought it was funny to try and open the police car door "as they'll give us a lift home" First copper on the scene over-reacted and got stroppy with my mate pushing him. He told copper to "**** off" then got beat up by three coppers right in front of us. I had to be restrained as they were bang out of order, obviously the adrenaline was pumping. He got arrested, and now they charging him for assult!!!! All 3 coppers have different statements, and are even disputing which way the car was facing up the road!!!! His solicitor has now tried to get him to plead gulity Oh and I forgot, the CCTV tape has misteriously dis-appeared

Another mate (who I was living with at the time, and had the same car as me) got in a bit of trouble with the local coppers. He got pulled in his car / my car and the same with me at least once a week, and most of the time we'd get a producer.... They knew the cars were legal, as they were the week before

Had a minor dispute with my Ex a few months ago while trying to collect my children. She called the police, and within 5 minutes they were there. 3 of them, and the oldest one was a right arrogant tosser. Who told me to **** off or he'd arrest me!!!! FFS, I was in my own garden trying to collect my kids!!!

Got an RB5, which is a little flash, and get pissed off with young coppers ******* me up all the time when I drive past. There was a car full of them earlier going the other way, and I lip read the driver say "shall we pull that flash ******* ****** boys?" Hardly the attitude is it now.

To be honest, I wouldn't go out of my way to help them..... Not now, would of a few years ago, but not now. Brought my children up to respect them, but sadly I don't myself. I am a law abiding 35 year old with four daugters BTW

If one of my mates decided to join the Police, I'm afraid that would be a big strain on our friendship. I believe a copper is always working and wherever possible keen to stitch poeple / friends / family up.

Just my thoughts, Phill