LR6GSR

Green Scoob
The like glass, no grip is how my disks felt, it would seem that hard driving and skimming may only give a short term relief. it seems if the pad and disk material dont get on you are stuffed. I bet if you clock your hubs and disks you have verry little or no run out, even if you sand every thing clean the problem may well come back.
Liam

awd wrx

If you glaze the discs or pads , or keep getting pad deposits then the pads are not suitable to you , its no point saying a pad will suit everyones style of driving as they wont , if you glaze the pads all the time you need a harder pad , and if you suffer with deposits you need a softer one , Liam , you may have not bedded your discs in correctly when you first fitted them which could have hardend the surface , the discs need to be 'soft' to work properly , to give them grip

GREEN SCOOBY

Softer pads???? maybe i need to be braking harder then!!!! christ! I will have a perminant head ache then though, ha ha.

scoobyboy

i never did track days and used a set of pads supplied by ian the second set i used a set of pads from a local motor factors still no track days yet they still warped thats 2 sets of different pads both used in the same way from an expensive set to a cheap set yet they still warped. the o/e discs never did and they were used in the same way as well and i had already done 10k miles in it so i know the hubs were ok, i'm convinced it was down to cheap discs at the end of the day and would rather save up and spend the money on a more reputable make if i do it again but at the minute the whole experience has put me off upgrading the brakes on my current car

LR6GSR

Wrx
The disks i sent back to Ian may have had a suface issue but Ian never said he had or needed to clean the surface. I will never know, now waiting for the couriers to pay for the lost disks. The bedding in procedure i use was the same for the Brembo's. Do Godspeed disks have a special bedding procedure that Ian has told you about? A fitting and bedding guide with each set sold might help inform buyers a little.

Liam

awd wrx

Scoobyboy , you used standard pads and then say they were crap !! I'm not surprised , what was the point in fiting them , why didn't you fit a performance pad that was more suited to you , there's about 8 different compounds to choose from , to say they didn't work as well as standard Peugeot 306 discs is rediculess , I still dont believe you warped 2 sets of discs , maybe one but if 2 went is was either something else wrong or pad deposits , take a bit of time to read the papers that stoptech have on there web site , perhaps it will give you more of an understanding of brake systems...

TARManiAC

awdwrx> Isn´t Ferodo DS2500 sort of an "in between" pad? Don´t think it can be categorised as purely track pad.

Though the cracks in my discs are small as you mention, I´ve never heard that everyone doing track days will eventually get cracked discs no matter what kind of disc.

jamespiddington

I bought a pair of alu-bell (2 piece) discs for my 2000 MY Turbo for use on the Ring after numerous replacements of single piece items (single piece ones lasted 20 laps max!!!). The kit required the std caliper to be widened with a spacer.

First thing I will say is that these Godspeed discs are in a different league it terms of performance & durability on the circuit and in the long run will save you a lot of money and buggering around.

After 50 or so laps of the Ring the discs became noisy as if the grooves were becoming saw-toothed and machining the pads in some way. After talking to Ian I got them sent back to him for inspection and he machined them and returned them to me. Then the real probelms started. They were now much worse than when I sent them. I took them to another local machine shop and they were flattened, but still just as bad. I got an old set of discs flattened and put them on.....no change. At this point I was really suspecting that the discs were not the problem. Eventually went to a Subaru dealer (in Cologne, Germany) and they said it would certainly be the discs. I was sceptical, but they machined them on the vehicle with a small portable lathe-type tool that attaches to the caliper mount points.

After that....PERFECT! The discs have now been fine for nearly 2 years (but with little Ring usage.

BTW....it was not anything to do with the machining on the car taking any wheel bearing or dirt-under-the-mounting effects out of the equation, cos the Subaru fitter did both the discs on the same side of the car, rather than move the lathe-thing. (So both discs were removed and remounted after machining.)

In summary I would deal with Godspeed again, but I was rather dissappointed that discs could come back from him supposedly machined flat but in fact made much worse. (Get your flat-bed grinder tolerance checked Ian ;-).)

James.

PS I find Pagid pads the best having tried loads. The number on the back is RS4-21, 1406. They work great from cold and bit like hell when hot. Avoid Mintex (gone are the good ol' days of the M171's!!!). Ferrodo Racing OK when hot, but a public health hazzard when cold.

PPSS Best lap BTG 8:40 with 250bhp and STI suspension.

PPPSSS I miss the Ring now that I'm in Sweden, but Scandinavian flicks in the snow make up for it a bit!

scoobyboy

just stating that i had used 2 different pads a performance set and a standard set and both sets warped the discs. what am i supposed to do go and buy all 8 sets of different compounds until i find one that won't warp the discs with the way i drive yeah right, at the end of the day the discs warped the standard ones didn't i've got my opinion of his discs and you got yours.
i never said the standard discs worked better only they didn't warp, after you had managed to keep your foot on the brake pedal through the judder the kit did stop you quicker.

LR6GSR i seem to remember ian using that excuse with me as well on the first set!

scoobyboy

where did i say the standard ones were crap? c'mon stop making things up

RLE

iTrader: (2)

I went for the 325mm 4 pot kit with mintex pads a couple of years ago. I think I expected too much for my £800.00. Didn't notice a vast difference from the 2 pots although I dont do any track days etc which would possibly see me reap the rewards.

I have not been happy with them tbh. They do the job; look good and I know Ian had to do a little more work to get them to fit under my alloys (had to pay extra though) which I appreciated.

I have no axe to grind with Ian but I think when you pay the money you have every right to have an opinion. Some people love them.....great. Others don't.....unfortunate, but true.

I do get the juddering and I'm just not that confident in their ability. I may have a rogue set that perhaps do not perform as well as others. A change in pad (as recommended and supplied by Ian) gave me no benefit.

I was under no illusions I got what I paid for. A ride in Subaru with AP's showed me the failings of my current set up but as someone mentioned on here earlier AP's can have their problems too. Like anything I guess there's always a bad apple.

I hope you reach an amicable conclusion.

awd wrx

RLE - you must have something wrong there if you dont feel a difference from the standard brakes , they are chalk and cheese difference , may sound a stupid question but you did fit the calipers the right way up with the bleed nipple at the top ? they can be fitted the wrong way up and dont bleed properly and wont work as they should , failing that Ian said if you want to take a trip down to him he will look at them , how they been fitted and get them working as they should , whatever it takes..


Scoobyboy - I remember you having a go at Ian before and remember you saying that they didn't work as good as the standard brakes , tried the search but it doesn't go that far back , it's an easy copout to blame the discs when so many other things could be at fault , like I say read the stoptech website

RLE

iTrader: (2)

Thanks AWD. Ian did suggest checking the calipers and they have been fitted correctly. Perhaps I dont get them warm enough I'm not sure.

Ian has offered to look at them before and perhaps if I'm down that way I'll take him up on the offer. His customer service can not be faulted. In all honesty I've never complained about them to him just suggested they weren't what they could be. There's too many people who say good things about him and his products to indicate they are not up to scratch.

Hope my previous reponse did not read that I was slating him. Intended purely as an opinion.

scoobyboy

the only thing wrong was the discs i know that for a fact there was nothing wrong with the car i know that for a fact. and i also know about brakes and braking systems and what to look for it was the discs no question about it other wise why did it stop when i put the originals back on?

awd wrx

probably pad deposits , like I've said , read the stop tech site....

scoobyboy

it wasn't

LR6GSR

wrx Pad smear with use does for many people clean off with some high speed braking.
But deposits that clog the material surface can not be removed in this way, no one has given an answer to cure this problem, other than changing your set up. Scoobyboy has as i did gone out of his way to try the obvious
Change pad type
Clean surfaces
Check hubs
You said earlier in this thread the "If you glaze the discs or pads , or keep getting pad deposits then the pads are not suitable to you" could the same be said that some Disks are not suitable for all aplications.
Many of us seem to have found this to be the case, the same pads with an alternative disk.
Your suport of the product is admirable but perhaps one sidded!

Liam

scoobyboy

now this is funny awd wrx your join date is june 2004 i got rid of my car november 03 how can you remember any grievences i had with ian unless you either are ian under a different name, or you read the posts and waited nearly a year after the posts to join as it was about june 03 when i had the problems hmmm know what i'm going with as it would explain a lot.

StickyMicky

didnt he say that he works with him and ian is a close friend>?

awd wrx

Blimey , here you go with that wicked imagination again . actually , I have been on here for about 4 years , my computor impoded and I had to get a new one , and I lost all my settings , all my password ect for all the sites I went on , so just re-registered ,it was easier , is that ok ? we may have even met as I gave Ian a lift to the Subaru garage you work in when he picked his RB5 up , I hope it wasn't you that filled it with so much oil it blew the rear crank seal out !!
I work near him , and have used his brakes for many years , even on my rally cars and have no problems with them , like I say for you to say the 325mm 4 pot kit didnt work as well as the standard single pot set up leads me to believe they couldn't have been fitted right , it just doesn't add up ??

scoobyboy

[QUOTE=awd wrx]Liam

Yes I am close to Ian as I work about 200yds away from him , and he is a friend

even for a friend he seems to know a lot about his business

awd wrx

no I know a lot about cars

scoobyboy

as you know my job then they would have been fitted right
still suss though you must be talking to ian about every post that is shown still think your one and the same!
hmm and if his rear crank seal did blow out why didn't he try claiming from us again a bit suspect and no it wasn't me who prepped his car.

jamespiddington

Wow, been away from my PC for a few days and all hell has broken loose! Keep up the posting "ping-pong"....can't wait for the next installment!

In the meantime, here's some other comments to add to my posting last Friday if anyone's interested in tech stuff and trackday experience with relation to brakes:

I used my Scoob on the Ring for about 30 laps with std 4 pots and original pads and I have to say that I was completely happy with them. I only ever did one lap at a time and always came off and trundled up the road for 5 mins after to keep everything moving as they cooled. When the pads wore out a dealer in Holland suggested some fast road ones (can't remember which). On the next outing at the Ring (after proper bedding in & heat cycling) the discs warped immediately! Clearly the new pad was putting a lot more heat into the disc. It was then that my saga started and I ended up changing the discs about 5 times before being sorted with Ian's alu-bell items. Remeber that car companies do a hell of a lot of R&D before going to production (I'm a conract engineer in the Automotive industry myself). Often we design in probelms when we hap-hazzarldy make changes. If the original spec is not up to the job, then chosing a proven formula FOR THE TYPE OF DRIVING YOU WANT TO DO is essential.

However, that said, if anyone finds that a 4 pot setup with 325mm discs is not as good as std 2 pots then something must be seroiusly wrong!!! Although I had no problems with the std 4 pots they were still considered to be "not the car's strongpoint". The Original 2 pots however were considered positively dangerous for a car with 208 hp and weighing 1230kg! The only thing that I could suggest is that you have a really hot pad in there and you're not getting it up to temp. Try the Pagid one I mentioned....they really work from cold.

Also, last year I had the "pleasure" if being taken round the Ring in a 550bhp Ultima! The guy had built the car himslef and REALLY knew his stuff. He swore by Pagid and given his abilities as an engineer and a driver he should be believed!

Let's give Ian his dues.....he provides good value brakes that for the mostpart do their job very well indeed. The fact that most kits are probably self fit means he has no way of knowing the root cause of any issues without seeing the vehicle. Must be a pain for him tryig to sort out all the problems that will inevitably arise when supplying brake systems. As I said before, I had some issues with disc runout after some re-finishing work, but I'd order brakes from him again.

James.

scoobyboy

as i said before

awd wrx

Originally Posted by scoobyboy
i never said the standard discs worked better only they didn't warp, after you had managed to keep your foot on the brake pedal through the judder the kit did stop you quicker.



If you had the pedal moving then it wasn't the fronts , warped front discs will shake the steering wheel , warped rear discs will pulsate the pedal , or is it just a play on words to sensationalise your claim up ?

scoobyboy

front discs will also pulsate the pedal as well maybe someone else needs to read up on brake systems as well or does the foot brake only work the rears! if i added any more to the problems i had it would have made the kit look worse than it was already.