chiark

Talk about transparent lobbying by the motor industry. Bloody atrocious.

Wasn't government once about letting people get on and live their lives with minimum intervention?

unclebuck

That of course is a cornerstone of Tory government policy. Always has been.

UB

555wrx

Sounds more like somthing from Cold war Russia, rather than a modern DEMOCRATIC state.

So much for freedom of choice.

If this should ever get voted in, you will see me driving my 1968 Ford Escort down Whitehall at 70 mph, chasing a fox with a pack of fecking hounds whilst smoking, by then, outlawed ciggarettes, whilst swigging a bottle of scotch. Oh and just to be a rebel, I wont be displaying my road tax and I will cancel my insurance for the day!

George Orwells 1984 anyone?

unclebuck

New Labour call it 'Reform' they want to remodel society to fit their vision of what a 21st Century Socialist super state should be, so they legislating accordingly.

Any activities carried out by people that do not fit the model will be outlawed. That they intend to do this can be proven by what they did regarding hunting with dogs.

Be in no doubt that these reforms will take place once they are re-elected for the dreaded 'Third Term'. The 'guy that stands at the front' is utimately responsible for all of this - he shares the vision.

555wrx

Fixed.

Gav1

Bloody hell!! My scooby is 12 years old!! And its in better nick than some 2 year old motors ive seen. And it owes me a bloody fortune...as Astraboy says "come and get it if you think youre 'ard enough!!

Gav.

Jap2Scrap

Funny how this idea ties in with the ISA plans which are fast approaching. It's one way to ensure that every car on the road has an ecu and can therefore be retrofitted with speed governing gps equipment. Of course, it'll be fine to take a 15yr old+ car on the road without ISA and gps positioning because you'll have to supply a detailed itinerary of your route anyway.

This all sucks.

Clarebabes

Ah, I get it now. It's a way of making money again in fines and insurance rip-offs. Where is all this money going? I hate the idea of GPS and having people spying on where I am as do most people and I have nothing to hide apart from doing maybe 80 mph on the motorway once a month.

Are we going to end up a Communist state where we are told what to do, how to think and where to be?

Please, I want answers!

davegtt

there aint a cat in ells chance they're taking my Reno 5 off me, cheeky barstewards.... maybe give me back every penny Ive ever spent on it etc with interest and I might consider it. until then they can get knotted.

mart360

SCARY scary SCARY!!!!!!!

what next?? moving people to areas better suited to them...!!!

government take overs of business,s and land...


IT started with the minoritys, and went on from there...!!!!!!!

jeez i get the creeps from that guy....

just wait til the work camps start!!!!!!


mart

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

OK, we're all p*ssed off about it. Good!

Now go and tell someone whose job it is to listen to you. Write to your MP, to the DfT or the press, and let them know that:

- you're aware of draconian proposals that will affect your life negatively,
- that you're not happy,
- and that you'll vote against it!

Remember, somewhere out there is someone with a cardigan and a comb-over, who hates all these noisy, polluting monstrosities that are driven by morons and which routinely mow down small children because they're always speeding. He regularly moans that 'something must be done'. Make your voice count too.

hedgehog

I think you will find that the people who shot handguns said something very similar. It is not an area I know a lot about but I believe that they did get some form of compensation but that almost everyone lost money on it, plus they lost their hobby as well.

davegtt

aye handguns are slightly different though aint they... if I need to I'll register the car under a nobodies name and address so the last owner is nowt to do with me and I'll keep it in a lock up or something and still use it. think it'll be a bit akward for them to be taking cars of people

brickboy

I'm not a labour voter, and this suggested legislation sucks, but come on ... Tory non-intervention in people's lives? Since when?

What about the systematic destruction of the coal mining industry, throwing tens of thousands on the dole? What about the Poll Tax -- a transparent and blatant manipulation of the old land rate system?

If ANYONE thinks that the main three parties in the UK aren't composed of a bunch of morally degenerate low-lifes that would sodomise their own granny if they thought it would improve their chances of election ...........

*Jen*

....we will write about it - but first we need to know:

When and where this was proposed
What is the theory behind it (so we can disprove it)
Details of the exact proposal

... I've been searching all morning but found nothing yet.

the moose

You lot really are the rabid Right, and a bunch of moaners to boot. The source for this information is the editor of Anoraks Monthly, someone you'd not normally **** on if they were in flames.

But because he comes up with some "supposed" legislation, you all get your collective knickers in a twist. Then you start hypothesising about GPS tracking .... presumably all babies will have to be fitted with a tracker when they're born? And when will we all have to start growing moustaches, saluting in a funny way, and saying "Ja, herr oberst".

Have a look and see what the governement are up to. If they really are suggesting what this crackpot is suggesting, I'll be manning the barricades with you. Can I suggest, however, that if they really were going to do what Mr Womble believes, that other newspapers might just have followed up on it. The Tories would have it front and centre as part of their election manifesto, as they'd pick up loads of votes from the hard-core working-class Labour voters.

If the Tories aren't lambasting Blair for it - and let's face it, they'll blame him for absolutely anything they can, from the falling of snow to the incidence of ginger-haired kids - then there's a fair likelihood that the autojumbling editor is talking out of his backside.

Edited to say: my 1000th post and I have to waste it on a non-issue like this one.......

mmuuzzzzyy

If they are talking about banning green laneing in a 4x4 or on a bike because it damages the countyside, they should ban horses from the green lanes too.

Horses make just as much mess of the countryside, ripping all the ground up with their big hooofs
+ they leave *hit everywhere.
Horses riders should be fined like dog owners for not cleaning up their animals mess!

........ they'd need a bloody big bin bag for all that cack.

Graz

Yeah they wreck all the bridleways for us mountain bikers, ban them I say

unclebuck

I'm sure mountain bikes are on the list too. Just a matter of time.

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

the moose: you have a valid point, of course, that the accuracy of such sources always needs to be checked.

GPS tracking and active speed control (ISA) are very much real, whomever you may choose to believe. I'll help you find the relevant documents myself if you like. Tracking is part of the 10 year plan for transport, the idea being to replace (or, let's be honest, augment) existing road taxes with one based on time and distance travelled. ISA could well share similar hardware and mapping data, and is the subject of ongoing research at Leeds University. I'll scan you a copy of the letter I received from DfT on the subject if you really want.

As for the other suggestions - scrapping of older vehicles, restrictions on maintenance and parts supply etc - I agree that the source is questionable, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be aware of the possibilities and be prepared to take action.

Remember, it's been illegal for a long time to do your own gas work, now it's also illegal to to a lot of your own electrical work - it doesn't take much imagination to realise that someone, somewhere might be deciding that you're not capable of fixing your car without becoming a danger to yourself and others too. Last time you changed a set of brake pads, did you put them in correctly? Ensure you didn't get copper grease on the friction material? Damage a hydraulic line? Do the wheel nuts up correctly?

unclebuck

Jen

Here is detailed information on the proposed green lane and other off road activity ban. The DEFRA reports are there along with suggestions of how to fight the legislation and draft letter templates for sending to MPs etc.

http://www.laragb.org/defra-consult.html

The Government is highly organised and it's plans are reaching an advanced stage. It is up to every individual, group and organisation to oppose these plans before it is too late.

Don't let the blind and ignorant dissuade you from that.

UB

the moose

That's the green-laning issue. What about the rest - presumably you've got some backup to that one?

Incidentally, have you actually seen some of the damage caused by off-roaders? If you have (and I have, believe me) you might agree that some legislation is needed. Roads which have existed for hundreds (or in some cases thousands) of years are being destroyed, and that can't be allowed to continue IMO.

AndyC_772

iTrader: (2)

Leaving aside the obvious point that a road that's closed to traffic is just as useless as no road at all - here's the evidence for GPS 'black boxes' to log road use and charge accordingly, taken from the UK Commission for Integrated Transport's web site. The full report is here.