Buckrogers

Yes, BASED on the St Georges flag, why? Because they want to be more Irish then English?

Part of the song, "No surrender to the IRA". What the Rangers fans supporting the English?

It will be a different story Scotland Vs England. But we are not talking about that. We are talking about Rangers fans hating Celtic fans and vice versa, because of Sectarianism.

eClaire

So let me get this right..... these two footbal teams should hate the English nation why? Because they are Scottish/Irish?

It would be a valid point on a Celtic/Rangers (or any other Scottish team) V England thread. As it stands this thread is about the difference in belief between Celtic (Catholics) and Rangers (Proddies). Where in the original post was England mentioned?

I fail to see you point! There's no maybe about it, all scots don't hate the english. Please may I refer you to your original quote:

So, let me get this straight, both Scottish sides hate each other for their beliefs, but hate the English just as much as they hate each other just because they are are English. I fail to see how you can justify the comment which basically says that, on a thread about the beliefs of the two teams and how their dislike for one another is causing friction.

There is a HUGE difference!! This about football and religion clashing. Not a grudge held over wars and invasions which took hundreds of years ago. I am sure the proddies hate all catholics the same, regardless of where they are from!

Jye

Go for it Claire

Diablo

LOL

As she always does

Not sure though, I think Claire is now arguing with herself

eClaire

I blame it on the hormones

Gandalf the White

As a season ticket Rangers supporter for last 15 years - and at no time have I gone about kicking peoples heads in - or furthering religious or political causes for or against either side, in case anyone asks. I think the program set out to show the 'hardcore' element of both fanbases, and achieved it to some extent.

I dont agree with waving the union jack in reply to waving the british flag. I believe its only done as a response to the Irish flag (though secretly I think its also to do with the ridiculous wish to move to the english leagues which I'm totally against). Both teams should be waving the Saltire before any other flag - however its done to 2 reasons - 1 history as the program protrayed,and 2 (dont laugh) its Blue and they would wave that as I would wave a green one LOL!

I've hardly ever come across any problems at matches (even old firm ones). If there is its usually the hardcore element/people pished/ outsiders who initiate it. Infact, till recently its another northern team who are masters in this area.

My best mate is a celtic fan, catholic, blah blah and to be honest - thats one of the reasons he is my best mate. We have some superb laughs - hes come to old firm derby with us in the 'Rangers' coach and yeah, he takes a good ribbing, but none of the guys would do anything to him - infact they look forward to the 'guff' he comes out with. There is more respect out there than people give credit. But I agree, there is a hardcore of loonies - and they are across britian supporting every team.

And also, Jack McConnell has a vision that might seem a million years away - but atleast hes trying to do something. But yes, he is a knobber at times.

Alas

Gandalf and Diablo - far too sensible replies guys. Next thing you know people will be holding reasoned debate on here
Alas

chunky_lad

Pillock...trolling on a subject you are obviously completely ignorant of, the debate is about the sad state of affairs in primarily the central belt of Scotland, not what the Scots think of the English. For Gods sake the two countries are joined at the hip, so many of my friends are English, thank the lord they don't have your belligerent attitude. For your info anyway I know several Scottish Rangers fans who actually support England in preference to Scotland - likewise Celtic fans who have a leaning to Eire rather than Scotland.

As for the catholic vs protestant debate I was brought up in the far north of Scotland where this was never an issue due to the fact that we weren't taught in segregated schools. When I settled in the central belt I took everyone as I found them religious /social / ethnic background was and never has been an issue to me as it hadn't been drummed into me from a young age.

I think if you are artificially separated from a school age and made to believe there is a fundamental difference between communities it's always going to lead to friction. Lose the segregated schools and you start eating away at the problem - personally I think it would take at least 2-3 generations for it to die out though.

Jye

He's gone now, eClaire bitch slapped him

Jye

Coming from the west coast, I'd say it's not just the school divide. It's the town you stay in, the area, your family, your friends, how you're brought up, which pub you start out in etc etc etc. Loads more to this than just schools, but integration can only be good. I reckon father to son bigotry must be a huge part of it.

mad555

iTrader: (1)

The Roman Catholic church is to blame.The end!

Dicke C

Its not just Scotland/Ireland with the Catholic/ Protestant thing.
I was born in Whitehaven Cumbria (moved back south now)and my good old Dad used to play football for Hitchin before they moved up north. Well when the local teams heard he used to play semi, there was a bit of a bidding war for his services.
The local Catholic team Cletormoor(sp) Celtic had been thumped in the local Derby for about 4 years and needed a good central defender, step in Dad. Only thing was he was a Baptist. And before he could play for them had to go and see the local Preist.

Don't know what was said or done, but he returned pi**ed from the Catholic Social club a sort of Honorary Catholic! And then became the first non Catholic to play for them.


Dicke C

Brendan Hughes

Shouldn't this be in the Events-Scotland forum?

sti-04!!

The ghost town ?????????????????????????????

Jye

I pop in there now and again, it's spooky

sti-04!!

69'er ????????????????????????????????????

Jye

With added *****, mega spooky!!!

scoobynutta555

It wasn't mentioned in the original thread, so what, I mentioned it. Threads evolve or hasn't that concept penetrated whatever is between your ears.

And as for:

How niave, I bet you put your false teeth under the pillow each night expecting a tip from the fairy. You can sit there working yourself up as much as you like, I've got better things to do.



Chunky lad, I know quite a lot about the subject since both my parents are Irish, one protestant from Belfast and the other catholic. If youre other 69 posts are as crap as that then I'd advise more fresh air and less screen time.

Maybe you could send a return fare up to Clare so she can see what the sun looks like.

eClaire

Ok, so now you are saying you poseted that the teams hate the english for being english more than they hate each other for being part of opposing faiths because you want the thread to evolve? Make your mind up!!

If you really thought 'who cares if they hate each other, they hate the English just as much because they are Scottish' as soon as secretarianism was mentioned then I am VERY surprised you have lasted your 2,915 posts on here!!

A massive generalisation and smart **** comment to try and VICTIMISE the English on a thread about religion and football - you're a bigot!!

So what if your parents are from the opposing faiths in question. My grandparents are too, get this - my great Granny was a romany gypsy, throw a bit italian in from my mother's side and bit irish from my dads and what ever else you can find - make of me what you will; but that isn't the argument here!!

eClaire

Ps. At least spell my fooking name right when it is there on the screen right in front of you

CLAIRE.

Diablo

THAT explains it

sti-04!!

It'll take a lot more than that to explain IT

eClaire

Very funny you two

hail-hail

The problem starts and ends with segregated schools, it's 2005 ffs!
The football teams are just a tool used by the minority to vent thier sectarianism.
I did not see the programme, but I am sick of the football teams being blamed for what is a society issue :angry:

Statement Issued from Celtic:

It is disappointing that a programme we were assured would cover the issue of sectarianism in Scotland should choose to focus instead on the much narrower question of the role of Celtic and Rangers in this matter.
The broad spectrum of representatives at the recent Sectarian Summit showed that this is a far wider issue for Scottish society. Celtic were represented at the highest level at the summit and repeated clearly our commitment to the effort to eliminate sectarianism from Scottish society.
Instead, the programme chose to sensationalise the issues involved, without giving full recognition of the robust anti-sectarian stance taken by the club and the many vigorous steps we have taken both in education and enforcement over a period of many years.
Despite detailing these many initiatives during the interview with Brian Quinn and in separate discussions, they were largely omitted.
Unfortunately, there is currently no legal provision for banning orders in Scotland, enabling anyone to buy a ticket in a public sale, and in practice, Celtic are only able to take action against season ticket holders, who account for 53,000 of our stadium capacity of 60,000
This season, season ticket holders have visited the ground over one million times, and of this number there were 26 arrests. Twenty-two were drink-related and four had an alleged sectarian dimension. Of that four, there has so far been one person convicted of sectarian behaviourAny season ticket holder convicted of such an offence will automatically have their ticket revoked, but the low number of arrests is, we believe, a compelling reflection of the success achieved at Celtic Park. It was illuminating that, despite secret filming, the programme failed to show a single incident of bad behaviour amongst our own support at Celtic
So far as away fixtures are concerned, Celtic has very limited powers to deal with any offences caused by its supporters. Responsibility for such enforcement lies with the home club and the local police force. Nevertheless, Celtic sends stewards to many away grounds to assist the home club and local police in maintaining public order. Again, any season-ticket holder convicted of sectarian offences at away games will receive an automatic indefinite suspension of their ticket
The good behaviour of Celtic’s fans has been highlighted in recent years after 80,000 supporters travelled to Seville for the UEFA Cup Final in 2003, without a single arrest, leading to them receiving both the FIFA and UEFA Fair Play Awards for that year. More recently, we received letters of praise for our fans from the police chiefs in both Barcelona and Milan after this season’s Champions’ League matchesIt is extremely encouraging that our own fans have been active in bringing the small minority displaying this sort of behaviour to the attention of stewards and police at Celtic Park. They, like the club, utterly condemn sectarianism in all its forms - a point club chairman Brian Quinn made repeatedly throughout the recording of his interview.

chunky_lad

LOL....I'm not questioning your background I just don't see why this is a Scottish vs English thing and why you see fit to try and add this to the debate. Sounds like you've a chip on your shoulder and like taking the opportunity to have a pop.

Plenty of fresh air up here....that's why I only get around to 69 posts in two years or whatever and what's crap about my post anyway - if you did have any knowledge of the situation maybe you would realise that segregation from a young age only keeps the problem rumbling on... I'd like to hear your considered views on the subject rather than random insults and trolling..

sti-04!!

Your obviously from the other side with a comment like that

So my 2p's





C'mon the Republic, C'mon Scotland & C'mon the HOOPS

eClaire

Pipe down, kafflick plastic weegie gayboy

Spring Heeled Jack

Who cares?

What they get up to doesn't impact on anyone outside of that tiny circle of people. If they want to live their lives that way let them get on with it.

Jack

sti-04!!

eClaire

You'd never tell by the way you dress.....

Anyway, rant and rave about how much of a kafflick you are, you're not practising (when was the last time you went to the chapel, or where ever the **** it is you go?) so that makes you a plastic kafflick as well as a plastic weegie!!