Where would one go to complain about a stupid speed limit?
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OK e-mail sent to the Highways Authority, cc'd Paul Smith at Safe Speed...
Dear Sir
I live in ***** and travel the A610 daily to and from work. Roadworks have recently been carried out on this stretch of road to renew and extend the Armco in the central reservation making the road safer. However, now the work has been completed new speed limits have been introduced so that:
A610 from Nuthall to the M1 junc 26 roundabout is dual carriageway and set at 40 mph
The M1 roundabout is set to the National Speed Limit (NSL) (60mph)
A610 30 yards after the M1 roundabout is set back to 40 mph for a mile or so until the top of the hill where it becomes 50mph and this carries on past the slip road for Ikea where it finally becomes NSL again.
Could somebody explain why we have this absurd situation where it is considered acceptable and legal to travel at 60mph on a round about and yet a dual carriageway that was 70mph has now been reduced to 40 mph, a speed which is blatantly ignored by the majority of drivers suggesting that the 85th percentile speeds were ignored when this limit was set.
Yours sincerely
I live in ***** and travel the A610 daily to and from work. Roadworks have recently been carried out on this stretch of road to renew and extend the Armco in the central reservation making the road safer. However, now the work has been completed new speed limits have been introduced so that:
A610 from Nuthall to the M1 junc 26 roundabout is dual carriageway and set at 40 mph
The M1 roundabout is set to the National Speed Limit (NSL) (60mph)
A610 30 yards after the M1 roundabout is set back to 40 mph for a mile or so until the top of the hill where it becomes 50mph and this carries on past the slip road for Ikea where it finally becomes NSL again.
Could somebody explain why we have this absurd situation where it is considered acceptable and legal to travel at 60mph on a round about and yet a dual carriageway that was 70mph has now been reduced to 40 mph, a speed which is blatantly ignored by the majority of drivers suggesting that the 85th percentile speeds were ignored when this limit was set.
Yours sincerely
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Try to get my name right next time PSL, its wriitten up there for you to copy!
I will criticise you as often as you criticise others for offences thet you are also guilty of committing by your own admission.
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I will criticise you as often as you criticise others for offences thet you are also guilty of committing by your own admission.
I also reserve the right to shoot your ineffective political statements down in flames!
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Just had a reply (well it arrived at my work address on Saturday, not a bad response)
So feel free to bombard Notts City Council!!
Dear xxxx
Thank you for your email regarding the A610.
I would like to advise you that the Highways Agency is responsible for the M1 motorway, however, the A610 is maintained by the local authority. I believe that if you contact Nottingham City Council on telephone number 0115 915 5555 or highways@nottinghamcity.gov.uk they will be able to assist with your query.
I hope this information is of assistance.
Regards
Michelle
Highways Agency Information Line
08457 50 40 30
Thank you for your email regarding the A610.
I would like to advise you that the Highways Agency is responsible for the M1 motorway, however, the A610 is maintained by the local authority. I believe that if you contact Nottingham City Council on telephone number 0115 915 5555 or highways@nottinghamcity.gov.uk they will be able to assist with your query.
I hope this information is of assistance.
Regards
Michelle
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Some interesting comments made there (In amongst the bickering
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A point for you Red Dog, people who come off the roundabout and loose control of their vehicles should not be driving, FACT! If it's down to oil/diesel ice etc and the vehicle goes out of control, then again, they shouldn't have been going that fast.
Anyway, at least there is an obstacle/hazzard at that point so measures to slow dullards down, fair enough.
What about the speed limit for the next few miles? I did 40 mph followed by 50MPH as per speed limits this morning and I have to say it felt dangerous. Not due to the speed, but being inbetween clearly less confident drivers. Applying brakes for no apparent reason, really unexpectedly applying brakes whilst being overtaken, the car behind sat on my bumper, it was just a crap place to be.
How Many RTA's have there been at that roundabout Red? I have no idea, I have travelled that road at least twice everyday for many years and The only 2 incidents I can recall was a bloke jumping off of one of the bridges and a fuel spill at jct 26 that caused one of those comedy pile ups where everyone slides into each other at 5 miles an hour.
If there is a serious accident on that stretch of road, every other day, then fine, pop the limits in. If however I am being forced into some draconian, ham fisted speed trap because of maybe 5 accidents a year, then I think thats wrong.
Notts City council here I come
Bet hey try and blame the highways agency
Not my job mate
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A point for you Red Dog, people who come off the roundabout and loose control of their vehicles should not be driving, FACT! If it's down to oil/diesel ice etc and the vehicle goes out of control, then again, they shouldn't have been going that fast.
Anyway, at least there is an obstacle/hazzard at that point so measures to slow dullards down, fair enough.
What about the speed limit for the next few miles? I did 40 mph followed by 50MPH as per speed limits this morning and I have to say it felt dangerous. Not due to the speed, but being inbetween clearly less confident drivers. Applying brakes for no apparent reason, really unexpectedly applying brakes whilst being overtaken, the car behind sat on my bumper, it was just a crap place to be.
How Many RTA's have there been at that roundabout Red? I have no idea, I have travelled that road at least twice everyday for many years and The only 2 incidents I can recall was a bloke jumping off of one of the bridges and a fuel spill at jct 26 that caused one of those comedy pile ups where everyone slides into each other at 5 miles an hour.
If there is a serious accident on that stretch of road, every other day, then fine, pop the limits in. If however I am being forced into some draconian, ham fisted speed trap because of maybe 5 accidents a year, then I think thats wrong.
Notts City council here I come
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Some interesting comments made there (In amongst the bickering
)
A point for you Red Dog, people who come off the roundabout and loose control of their vehicles should not be driving, FACT! If it's down to oil/diesel ice etc and the vehicle goes out of control, then again, they shouldn't have been going that fast.
Anyway, at least there is an obstacle/hazzard at that point so measures to slow dullards down, fair enough.
What about the speed limit for the next few miles? I did 40 mph followed by 50MPH as per speed limits this morning and I have to say it felt dangerous. Not due to the speed, but being inbetween clearly less confident drivers. Applying brakes for no apparent reason, really unexpectedly applying brakes whilst being overtaken, the car behind sat on my bumper, it was just a crap place to be.
How Many RTA's have there been at that roundabout Red? I have no idea, I have travelled that road at least twice everyday for many years and The only 2 incidents I can recall was a bloke jumping off of one of the bridges and a fuel spill at jct 26 that caused one of those comedy pile ups where everyone slides into each other at 5 miles an hour.
If there is a serious accident on that stretch of road, every other day, then fine, pop the limits in. If however I am being forced into some draconian, ham fisted speed trap because of maybe 5 accidents a year, then I think thats wrong.
Notts City council here I come
Bet hey try and blame the highways agency
Not my job mate
I'll let you know how I get on
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Some interesting comments made there (In amongst the bickering
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A point for you Red Dog, people who come off the roundabout and loose control of their vehicles should not be driving, FACT! If it's down to oil/diesel ice etc and the vehicle goes out of control, then again, they shouldn't have been going that fast.
Anyway, at least there is an obstacle/hazzard at that point so measures to slow dullards down, fair enough.
What about the speed limit for the next few miles? I did 40 mph followed by 50MPH as per speed limits this morning and I have to say it felt dangerous. Not due to the speed, but being inbetween clearly less confident drivers. Applying brakes for no apparent reason, really unexpectedly applying brakes whilst being overtaken, the car behind sat on my bumper, it was just a crap place to be.
How Many RTA's have there been at that roundabout Red? I have no idea, I have travelled that road at least twice everyday for many years and The only 2 incidents I can recall was a bloke jumping off of one of the bridges and a fuel spill at jct 26 that caused one of those comedy pile ups where everyone slides into each other at 5 miles an hour.
If there is a serious accident on that stretch of road, every other day, then fine, pop the limits in. If however I am being forced into some draconian, ham fisted speed trap because of maybe 5 accidents a year, then I think thats wrong.
Notts City council here I come
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Originally Posted by Gridlock Mikey
A point for you Red Dog, people who come off the roundabout and loose control of their vehicles should not be driving, FACT! If it's down to oil/diesel ice etc and the vehicle goes out of control, then again, they shouldn't have been going that fast.
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Originally Posted by Gridlock Mikey
How Many RTA's have there been at that roundabout Red? I have no idea, I have travelled that road at least twice everyday for many years and The only 2 incidents I can recall was a bloke jumping off of one of the bridges and a fuel spill at jct 26 that caused one of those comedy pile ups where everyone slides into each other at 5 miles an hour.
Did I ought to get ready for handbags at dawn or shall we leave it there?!
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How the **** should I know?! I've been to a fair few (A rough estimate would have been cool, given your EXPERIENCES!!, not that it matters as you are on about a totally different roundabout
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Did I ought to get ready for handbags at dawn or shall we leave it there?!
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OK I've now got the Local rag involved. The guy seemed fairly co-operative and he did mention a fair few similar calls over the past few days.
I reckon If I can get them onside and do a bit of name dropping to the council etc, it'll be fun to see what replies we get.
I reckon we'll go round in circles for about 3 months and the limits will stay, but that's not the point. They (Whoever they are) should be made accountable for crap decisions that affect my life. especially if the decisions were made on a golf course somewhere or on a friday afternoon when someone couldn't be arsed with the paper work to oppose a request!
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Latest update - following no response from Nottingham City I copied in my Local MP and also Alan Simpson who I believe is the MP for the area concerned. Responses from them as follows:
Recieved on 4th April 2005 - no further correspondence.
Today from my MP I had this
A this week 2 speed cameras have appeared on the road between Langley Mill and Heanor for no good reason. It is claimed there have been 5 KSI's in the last 2 years - have to see what I can dig up on that!
Dear OllyK
Thank you for your email. Please can you provide us with your postal address so that Alan Simpson MP can reply accordingly.
Yours sincerely
Caroline Watson
Parliamentary Researcher to Alan Simpson MP
House of Commons
London
SW1A 0AA
0207 219 4534
fax 0207 219 4657
Thank you for your email. Please can you provide us with your postal address so that Alan Simpson MP can reply accordingly.
Yours sincerely
Caroline Watson
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Today from my MP I had this
Dear OllyK
Thank you for e-mailing Judy Mallaber MP with your concerns over the introduction of new speed limits. Please can you supply Judy with an address and contact telephone number so that she can write her reply due to the dissolution of Parliament. Judy is asking the Highways Authority for an answer to your questions. Judy tells me she too has recently traveled on this stretch of road and has been bemused by the speed limit changes.
Thank you for contacting Judy Mallaber MP about this issue.
Sue Reaney
Constituency Office at Amber Valley
01773 512792
Thank you for e-mailing Judy Mallaber MP with your concerns over the introduction of new speed limits. Please can you supply Judy with an address and contact telephone number so that she can write her reply due to the dissolution of Parliament. Judy is asking the Highways Authority for an answer to your questions. Judy tells me she too has recently traveled on this stretch of road and has been bemused by the speed limit changes.
Thank you for contacting Judy Mallaber MP about this issue.
Sue Reaney
Constituency Office at Amber Valley
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LOL - How did I know this would be a thread about a limit being too low and not the opposite... YAWN...
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LOL, not at all good sir - but how refreshing it would have been to see a thread on SN complaining that a speed limit was too high 's all Im saying...
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Originally Posted by Abdabz
LOL, not at all good sir - but how refreshing it would have been to see a thread on SN complaining that a speed limit was too high 's all Im saying...
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Well I've had the official response
RE: A610 KIMBERLEY/EASTWOOD BYPASS - NEW SPEED LIMIT RESTRICTIONS
Thank you for your email of 4/4/05. We do not appear to have received your previous email which was sent to Nottingham City Council. Nottinghamshire County Council has a policy of attempting to reply to the majority of incoming mail within 10 working days, but I apologise that this has not occurred with your original email for whatever reason.
The decision to reduce speed limits was not taken lightly. During the period 01/01/97 to 31/12/03 there have been 69 reported injury accidents on the A610 between the A6096 Giltbrook Roundabout and the M1. Of these, 8 were fatal road traffic accidents, 13 were serious and 48 were slight
Despite numerous accident remedial measures (Ice warning signs, Cycle Facility, Street lighting, High Friction Surfacing, Yellow bar markings, Vegetation trimming, Queue warning signs, Drainage) this short 3.5km section of the derestricted dual carriageway has been the scene, on average, of at least 1 death and 3 serious injuries annually for the past 7 years. Clearly this was unacceptable. It was time for more drastic measures and hence the reduction of the 70mph speed limits. Drivers mistakenly perceive this section of road to be a modern high-speed dual carriageway. The road was opened in 1975 and design standards have since progressed. The road geometry, within the vicinity of junction 26, would not be desired on a modern dual carriageway. By modern standards the existing speed of the majority of vehicles is inappropriate and this is certainly confirmed by the accident data.
A speed limit of 40mph has been introduced from east of the High Street overbridge to the A6002 Nuthall Roundabout. This is the appropriate speed limit for this section of road, which has major problems associated with the bends and queuing traffic.
A speed limit of 50mph has been introduced from west of the A6096 Giltbrook Roundabout to east of the High Street overbridge. This is primarily to act as a 'buffer zone' prior to the 40mph section. However it has the added benefit of reducing speeds where junction accidents occur associated with entering and leaving at the 'IKEA' and Giltbrook slip roads.
The reduction of the existing speed limit will help reduce not only the number of accidents, but also their severity. In an effort to further reduce accident severity central reserve safety fencing has been installed. Whilst safety fence is an excellent device, it only reduces the severity of the accident. It is far better to prevent the accident occurring in the first place. Unfortunately visibility constraints preclude its installation on the bends which emphasizes the need for such a drastic reduction to 40mph at these locations.
With regard to your more specific enquiry on the nature of speed limits on roundabouts, I would reply that speed limits only represent a maximum speed and drivers will recognise that the maximum speed is not appropriate at all points along a road if there are obvious hazards such as roundabouts, junctions, sharp bends, etc. Ultimately the roundabout itself provides speed restraint at these locations.
The decision on whether to extend ongoing speed limit restrictions through roundabouts, such as the M1 Jcn 26 which is in the middle of a 40mph length on the A610, often depends on site constraints and the best effect that can be achieved by the required signing. We took the decision at Jcn 26 that continuing the speed limit through the roundabout would be undesirable for two reasons. Firstly, it would have resulted in signing being erected on the M1 slip roads which would have detracted the drivers attention from the traffic signal heads or possibly restricted the driver's forward visibility to them on this 70mph approach. Secondly, this would have also meant that the only signing of the 40mph speed limit on the A610 route through the roundabout would have been small repeater signs. Breaking the speed limit either side of Jcn 26 allowed us to place large terminal speed limit entry signs at this mid-point along the 40mph section and meant the signs were on a lower speed approach to the Jcn 26 signals. This situation is not uncommon at many roundabouts across the County and Jcn 26 has in any case always been subject to the National Speed Limit of 70mph, the National Speed Limit of 60mph only being applicable to single carriageway roads.
We are continuing to monitor developments along this route and plan to install additional signing shortly. A scheme of road markings, which was planned as part of the original scheme but delayed due to possible resurfacing works, will also be undertaken. I hope this explains the thinking behind the design of the scheme and assures you that we have carefully considered the full ramifications of introducing these speed limits restrictions.
Yours sincerely
K.J. Hourd
Senior Improvements Officer - Highways South
Tel: 0115 8786032
Fax: 0115 8786057
Thank you for your email of 4/4/05. We do not appear to have received your previous email which was sent to Nottingham City Council. Nottinghamshire County Council has a policy of attempting to reply to the majority of incoming mail within 10 working days, but I apologise that this has not occurred with your original email for whatever reason.
The decision to reduce speed limits was not taken lightly. During the period 01/01/97 to 31/12/03 there have been 69 reported injury accidents on the A610 between the A6096 Giltbrook Roundabout and the M1. Of these, 8 were fatal road traffic accidents, 13 were serious and 48 were slight
Despite numerous accident remedial measures (Ice warning signs, Cycle Facility, Street lighting, High Friction Surfacing, Yellow bar markings, Vegetation trimming, Queue warning signs, Drainage) this short 3.5km section of the derestricted dual carriageway has been the scene, on average, of at least 1 death and 3 serious injuries annually for the past 7 years. Clearly this was unacceptable. It was time for more drastic measures and hence the reduction of the 70mph speed limits. Drivers mistakenly perceive this section of road to be a modern high-speed dual carriageway. The road was opened in 1975 and design standards have since progressed. The road geometry, within the vicinity of junction 26, would not be desired on a modern dual carriageway. By modern standards the existing speed of the majority of vehicles is inappropriate and this is certainly confirmed by the accident data.
A speed limit of 40mph has been introduced from east of the High Street overbridge to the A6002 Nuthall Roundabout. This is the appropriate speed limit for this section of road, which has major problems associated with the bends and queuing traffic.
A speed limit of 50mph has been introduced from west of the A6096 Giltbrook Roundabout to east of the High Street overbridge. This is primarily to act as a 'buffer zone' prior to the 40mph section. However it has the added benefit of reducing speeds where junction accidents occur associated with entering and leaving at the 'IKEA' and Giltbrook slip roads.
The reduction of the existing speed limit will help reduce not only the number of accidents, but also their severity. In an effort to further reduce accident severity central reserve safety fencing has been installed. Whilst safety fence is an excellent device, it only reduces the severity of the accident. It is far better to prevent the accident occurring in the first place. Unfortunately visibility constraints preclude its installation on the bends which emphasizes the need for such a drastic reduction to 40mph at these locations.
With regard to your more specific enquiry on the nature of speed limits on roundabouts, I would reply that speed limits only represent a maximum speed and drivers will recognise that the maximum speed is not appropriate at all points along a road if there are obvious hazards such as roundabouts, junctions, sharp bends, etc. Ultimately the roundabout itself provides speed restraint at these locations.
The decision on whether to extend ongoing speed limit restrictions through roundabouts, such as the M1 Jcn 26 which is in the middle of a 40mph length on the A610, often depends on site constraints and the best effect that can be achieved by the required signing. We took the decision at Jcn 26 that continuing the speed limit through the roundabout would be undesirable for two reasons. Firstly, it would have resulted in signing being erected on the M1 slip roads which would have detracted the drivers attention from the traffic signal heads or possibly restricted the driver's forward visibility to them on this 70mph approach. Secondly, this would have also meant that the only signing of the 40mph speed limit on the A610 route through the roundabout would have been small repeater signs. Breaking the speed limit either side of Jcn 26 allowed us to place large terminal speed limit entry signs at this mid-point along the 40mph section and meant the signs were on a lower speed approach to the Jcn 26 signals. This situation is not uncommon at many roundabouts across the County and Jcn 26 has in any case always been subject to the National Speed Limit of 70mph, the National Speed Limit of 60mph only being applicable to single carriageway roads.
We are continuing to monitor developments along this route and plan to install additional signing shortly. A scheme of road markings, which was planned as part of the original scheme but delayed due to possible resurfacing works, will also be undertaken. I hope this explains the thinking behind the design of the scheme and assures you that we have carefully considered the full ramifications of introducing these speed limits restrictions.
Yours sincerely
K.J. Hourd
Senior Improvements Officer - Highways South
Tel: 0115 8786032
Fax: 0115 8786057
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Now, the next question do I think this will make a jot of difference? Err nope. Why Not? Because the accidents have little to do with speed and plently to do with **** poor observation.
The problem is that at peak times the queues from the M1 roundabout often extend up the road so that as you crest the hill you are suddenly upon the queue. The accidents are caused by muppets not thinking, not looking far enough ahead and plowing in to stationery traffic. So is the dual carriage way away from the M1 affected by this - err nope! Are the slip roads by Ikea unusually short preventing people from being able to get up to speed before the A610 - err nope.
So what happens, now we have reduced the speed limit? People come along the A610 where it is single carriageway at NSL, it broadens to a dual and the speed up to 70. They see a long straight with a slip road, but a speed limit of 50mph and think, this is daft and carry on. They crest the hill and see the 40mph sign just as they are plowing in to the stationery traffic.
What needs to be done? Leave the side running towards Ripley from the M1 at NSL, no problem with that. Just past the Ikea junction the otherway we need flashing signs (time operated for peak periods) warning of queing traffic and for people to slow down. No limit change required, just the danger warning (although I wouldn't have an issue with variable speed limits). This way people know WHY they need to take care and will be looking out for the queues.
The problem is that at peak times the queues from the M1 roundabout often extend up the road so that as you crest the hill you are suddenly upon the queue. The accidents are caused by muppets not thinking, not looking far enough ahead and plowing in to stationery traffic. So is the dual carriage way away from the M1 affected by this - err nope! Are the slip roads by Ikea unusually short preventing people from being able to get up to speed before the A610 - err nope.
So what happens, now we have reduced the speed limit? People come along the A610 where it is single carriageway at NSL, it broadens to a dual and the speed up to 70. They see a long straight with a slip road, but a speed limit of 50mph and think, this is daft and carry on. They crest the hill and see the 40mph sign just as they are plowing in to the stationery traffic.
What needs to be done? Leave the side running towards Ripley from the M1 at NSL, no problem with that. Just past the Ikea junction the otherway we need flashing signs (time operated for peak periods) warning of queing traffic and for people to slow down. No limit change required, just the danger warning (although I wouldn't have an issue with variable speed limits). This way people know WHY they need to take care and will be looking out for the queues.
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Well apart from dig up the road and re-design it, enforce the speed limit would seem to be their only option, no??
It's just my bug bear of the current policy of dumbing driving down and trying to slow people down, rather than trying to improve the standards of driving and awareness, but maybe that's just the IAM side of me coming out.
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Latest news. There was a major crash on the A610 this morning closing it and forcing all traffic to be diverted through Heanor! Not sure of all the details yet, more to follow in due course.
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Another accident IN Heanor
Will be interesting to see if it was speed that caused the accident (In which case it'll be all over the news) Or some old granny or half asleep bloke simply not paying attention (In which case we won't as it might cost votes, implying some people can't drive that is
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Originally Posted by Gridlock Mikey
Another accident IN Heanor
Will be interesting to see if it was speed that caused the accident (In which case it'll be all over the news) Or some old granny or half asleep bloke simply not paying attention (In which case we won't as it might cost votes, implying some people can't drive that is
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Originally Posted by OllyK
More likely somebody braking to avoid the 4 speed cameras they have put between Heanor and Langley Mill in the last month. ![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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Sorry to have caught up with this so late!
Right, from the council response above "8 were fatal road traffic accidents"
Im willing to wager they included the 'jumpers' (ie those who hurled themselves off the bridge above into oncoming traffic) into that!
Its a farce at the moment, traffic progression is dire at best!
Right, from the council response above "8 were fatal road traffic accidents"
Im willing to wager they included the 'jumpers' (ie those who hurled themselves off the bridge above into oncoming traffic) into that!
Its a farce at the moment, traffic progression is dire at best!
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Originally Posted by matt5cott
Sorry to have caught up with this so late!
Right, from the council response above "8 were fatal road traffic accidents"
Im willing to wager they included the 'jumpers' (ie those who hurled themselves off the bridge above into oncoming traffic) into that!
Its a farce at the moment, traffic progression is dire at best!
Right, from the council response above "8 were fatal road traffic accidents"
Im willing to wager they included the 'jumpers' (ie those who hurled themselves off the bridge above into oncoming traffic) into that!
Its a farce at the moment, traffic progression is dire at best!
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Originally Posted by +Doc+
I cant believe "Jumpers" have cocked up my favourite road in Nottingham, how selfish ![Frown](images/smilies/frown.gif)
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8 deaths in 8 years - run for the hills we're all doing to die!!
The A609 Nottingham Road is by far more dangerous than the A610 and even has had plenty of signposts indicating accidents & fatalities and is more suited to the attention of the local council. Infact if the road had a proportional number of people using it compaired with the A610, I'd expect the accident rate to hit sky high.
I'm all for putting temporary speed restrictions closer to the roundabout during peak hours but whilst there are few cars on the road it is a total inefficent use of this dual-carrage way.
The optimal solution would be..
1) Part-Time speed restrictions on the approach to the M1 J26 roundabout
(M25 style or rotating bilboard style) - as already pointed out.
2) Signs indicating part time speed restriction ahead
3) A part-time warning sign which lights up if you are speeding on approach to the roundabout.
Job done - none of this piddling about with buffer zones, and 2 odd miles of sub 50mph speed limits.
The A609 Nottingham Road is by far more dangerous than the A610 and even has had plenty of signposts indicating accidents & fatalities and is more suited to the attention of the local council. Infact if the road had a proportional number of people using it compaired with the A610, I'd expect the accident rate to hit sky high.
I'm all for putting temporary speed restrictions closer to the roundabout during peak hours but whilst there are few cars on the road it is a total inefficent use of this dual-carrage way.
The optimal solution would be..
1) Part-Time speed restrictions on the approach to the M1 J26 roundabout
(M25 style or rotating bilboard style) - as already pointed out.
2) Signs indicating part time speed restriction ahead
3) A part-time warning sign which lights up if you are speeding on approach to the roundabout.
Job done - none of this piddling about with buffer zones, and 2 odd miles of sub 50mph speed limits.
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A death a year oooo wow. The road must be closed immidiately. I think ill campaign for every road thats had a death in the last year to be closed. The country will be a much safer place!
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Latest update:
1) I have applied for a Speed Limit Complaint pack from the ABD
2) It seems my local MP is taking this up in the commons as the new limit could well be illegal due it changing too frequently in too short a distance. This was from local source so I don't have confirmation as yet, but I'll keep you posted.
1) I have applied for a Speed Limit Complaint pack from the ABD
2) It seems my local MP is taking this up in the commons as the new limit could well be illegal due it changing too frequently in too short a distance. This was from local source so I don't have confirmation as yet, but I'll keep you posted.
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We've just had a 40mph limit put in on part of the A63 past Howden. I've lived here for over ten years and can't remember a single KSI for that stretch of road.
Won't be long before Scumberside Scamera Partnership have a mobile set up, because no doubt a high % of traffic will be busting the limit and they'll see it as perfect excuse to improve road safety....er I mean keep themselves in a job.
Won't be long before Scumberside Scamera Partnership have a mobile set up, because no doubt a high % of traffic will be busting the limit and they'll see it as perfect excuse to improve road safety....er I mean keep themselves in a job.