sillysi

I presume the ISA fitted cars can be stopped remotely thus stopping car thefts. So our insurance will come down

Jerome

Car thieves will be the first people to get round the system. They are already committing many motoring offences, so they will hardly be bothered about adding one more to the list. I would also suggest it would be naive to think that the UK motor insurance industry will miss out on the chance to increase premiums. Almost any excuse will do, and having ISA is no different.


My advice is to leave the country. The more I hear about what is going on in the UK, the more reassured I am that I live in the right country.

North America nigh on worships the automobile, so I reckon it will be the last place to bring in such a Draconian system as the ISA.

sillysi

"naive" yes but I suspect the Goverment will use this in their campaign to persuade people what an "excellent" system ISA is.

Jap2Scrap

Will the oil companies let this sort of thing happen? Never mind the car manufacturers. I don't know about you guys but the day this comes in is the day I buy a Polo diesel and get 70mpg cos speed won't mean a thing, and I'm pretty sure I won't be alone. So the car manufacturers will be selling only base diesel models and petrol sales will go through the floor.

Sure the government can tax travel, increase tax on diesels, etc. but the oil co's and car co's won't get away with selling a diesel here any more expensive than anywhere else. (EU pricing policy eh?)

chrome

Andy- hate to ask (for the third time) but can you just email me a word doc?
The email you sent was corrupted with garbage (strange formatting?) and its pretty much useless?
ta.

AndyC_772

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YH email - fingers crossed!

chrome

not got it yet mate..

scoobydood

Some people here are concentrating on the speed issue. What is more important is your right to privacy. I could not abide living in country where the gov't do what the hell they want for the "good of the people".... that's why I left the last one. And for a long time the people there believed the gov'ts bull****. But how they cry now... and I don't care.

Clarebabes

Exactly what I thought. It's not the speeding issue that's the problem, it's the impact on your human rights to go about your business without intervention and monitoring. Someone will know where you are in your car at all times. When you nip to the shop, they'll know. When you take your kids to school, they'll know.

I for one am not going to let this happen without a fight at least. I will be involved in any lobbying or whatever is needed and will be writing to my MP - he is Labour, so I'm sure I will not get the same sort of response as Andy's conservative MP gave him.

AndyC_772

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I agree entirely, which is why I also included comments along those lines in my letter too. Also potentially worrying is the Norwich Union 'pay-as-you-drive' trial, which uses tracking technology to calculate insurance premiums; even if intrusive boxes don't become a legal requirement, it's no better if they become a practical one in order to get insurance. Hands up who drives a scooby and hasn't been pressured into fitting an anti-theft tracker already?

More nasties on Safe Speed.

scoobydood

Errr... not even sure who my MP is LOL!

My opinion on some points mentioned raised elsewhere in this thread.

1) Vehicle manufacturers - they will increase the prices of base model cars because of the demand.
2) The government will make more money out of this any way you look at it.
3) Less police will be needed so money saved there
4) Oil companies won't care that much.
5) The private company that makes the device will be like the next camelot. LOADED! And you can be sure whoever in gov't is pushing these changes through will have their fingers in the pie...
6) Thousand of motoring specialists/related businesses will close.
7) Thousands of top earners/specialists/skilled people will leave the country.
8) You probably won't be able to run a car at the rip off rates you are being charged so will either leave or make use of public "transport"

And I could go on and on....

AndyC_772

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You can find contact details for your MP here.

Clarebabes

Thanks for that link Andy, just checked that who I thought was my MP ws actually my MP. I was right He's gonna get it!

chrome

really get's my blood boiling!
I dont want some blooy govt agency logging my trips as a *private* citizen!
Must be a breach of civil or human rights in there!
It's surely a violation of basic freedom to travel?
They just want to monitor us so they can collect yet more revenue, shaft the taxpayer even more and then have the nerve to say there is no money for the NHS etc..
Oh for a coup de ta'..

I think basic driver education - even if it's by the favourite national medium of TV is better than the orwellian proposals..

How about THIS for controversy- imagine if there were road safety 'short's on TV before every edition of Corrie/Eastenders ??
That would save hundreds of lives a year surely?

ressurect the green cross code (and expand on it too!) for the cnsumption of ALL pedestrains/cyclists/drivers!

It's a bloody democracy not a dictatorship!

makes you (well ok- me) want to emigrate...

pslewis

Why don't you all leave the country if its sooooo, soooooo bad and leave it to the law-abiding!!

For every 1 letter FOR the right to speed there will be 100 AGAINST it - simple maths means you are all stuffed!!

Pete

kingofturds

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why the **** r u on scoobynet then?what about ur posts admitting to speeding? go buy a rover n join their forum sucker

pslewis

I see, so the pre-requisite to be a member on SN is that you MUST be a speeder?? You are a complete idiot!

Sensible, grown-up drivers not welcome??

I know you are 14 years old but please, time for bed!!

Pete

hedgehog

It is good to see that, finally, the full implications of some of this are starting to sink in. Some of the converted are, I am sure, fed up listening to me pushing the same message for the last year or so.

ISA has nothing to do with safety and to be honest not a lot to do with speed and a lot more to do with control and instant access to information about your position. Now, the government and those associated with them want to keep pointing the discussion at speed and safety to make sure that we never consider the real implications of this system. With this in mind it is important to avoid any such arguments because they are simply not valid and just a diversion. The first time you come to a junction and find that you are not allowed to turn left as only cars belonging to party members have access to that road you will fully understand what ISA is about and what it is intended to achieve.

It is also looking very likely, though I don't have any hard documentary evidence of this as yet, that the ISA system will be used to implement some form of driving time regulations on private motorists. That is to say that you will be forced into a position where you may only drive for a certain number of hours per day. Again the focus of such a regulation is to force people on to public transport even for longer trips, or in this case especially for longer trips. What you must also bear in mind is that the speed limit on most single carriageway A roads will be 40mph so if your driving hours are limited you will not be able to get very far in a single day of driving. As it is, of course, it is likely that the distance your car can travel in a given period of time will also be very limited but when this is compounded by a limit on the amount of time you can travel for driving is going to become very difficult and very stressful.

The green nutters are, of course, behind a lot of this as they want us all out of our cars and back into the stone age where they believe life will be better for everyone. What they fail to account for is that 100 years ago the average person lived for about 40 years, today we might reasonably expect to live for twice that. The stone age is far from as nice as the green nutters think it is going to be.

unclebuck

Is this the same neglected public transport service that is constantly subject to delays and cancellations? The one that groans beneath the weight of tired worn out commuters as they trudge their weary ways to work??

Looks like we're f**ked then......

hedgehog

Oh yes indeed, that's the one. But once we are all using it there will be massive investment and all our £1.45 per mile will go to pay for a new public transport system where you have to present your ID card to buy a ticket. Party members will, of course, still be allowed to have private cars so in truth they will have little concern for the state of the public transport system.

Does this sound like anything to you? Perhaps some strange country that you once saw in a spy movie where people died trying to climb a wall to escape?

Jerome

Some of us already have...

78% of statistics are made up on the spot. Also, 96.32% of trolls get fed when they don't deserve it.

Jerome

Indeed! I suspect that, when the dust has settled, people will finally realise that NL are far far worse than anything that the loony left socialists/commies of the past were. By that time, it will be too late comrades. Look forward to the next 5 year plan starting in May suckers...

Leslie

Amen to that Jerome!

Les

Vipa

I didn't realise that the majority of the road going public are driving round in ignorant bliss of I.S.A. Which means that there will be no protestation because not many people know what is coming!

I was chatting to a couple of mates last night who are both into cars/racing etc and neither one of them had ever heard of ISA!!!!!!!!

That is a worry as I think one day we'll wake up to a letter through the post saying "you have until January 10th to have your GPS system fitted, after this you will be breaking the law.... etc...."

Too late was the cry!

Paul

AndyC_772

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What disappoints me is that organisations like the ABD don't seem to be actively promoting awareness much either. I'll remind them.

hedgehog

As you will recall when I first started warning about ISA almost everyone on SN told me to wise up, said that it would never happen, said that the technology wasn't available or just posted ill considered abuse.

All of a sudden it has appeared on the TV so it must be true, though many still can not see just how big this is and still talk in terms of "speeding" or "safety."

I think it was Adolf Hitler who recommended always telling a big lie because people just couldn't take it in and didn't examine it too closely while they tended to nit pick the small lies. Well, ISA will be something similar as it is going to be the biggest change in personal transport since the invention of the car and its whole purpose is to get us out of personal transport and deeper into a control society. Even schemes like road tolls are only a short term goal with the long term aim being that you and I no longer have free access to personal transport.

In turn this will result in dramatic changes to our lives and to the economy of our country. Simple things are going to change in a big way and our choice and control over our own lives will suffer on a scale that has never been seen before. For example my doctor is about 7 miles from my home, a simple and short trip by car but a trip that would take nearly 4 hours by public transport. It is likely, once my access to private transport is gone, that I will have to sign up with the "party approved doctor" either closer to my home or on a main bus route. These simple things are going to hit people hardest but are also too abstract at present for many people to understand. Compared to this "speeding" and "safety" are merely the "small lies" that the administration wants you to nit pick while they tramp all over your freedom with the big lies that you are not going to see coming.

Holy Ghost

oh dear, you don't get it do you: look at the bigger picture. this is intrusive technology that contravenes one's right to freedom of movement without interference or monitoring by the government - whether one is breaking the speed limit or abiding by it.

the upholding of speed limits and the incorrect propoganda mantra that "speed kills" (clearly disproven by TRL323) is merely a cover story for the deliberate erosion of our freedom to come and go as we please without having big brother watching us.

government - through the very nature of power over others - craves control over the populace: give them an inch, they will take a mile unless the parliamentary opposition and the voters are on the ball . and this government is worryingly in thrall to the surveillance potential that technology can deliver - despite the public sector's shockingly poor record in implementing major IT projects.

ISA is the thin end of an orwellian wedge: you sleepwalk into a police state if you want but don't expect the rest of us to follow you.

unclebuck

Thank God for the voice of reason - in this case the House Of Lords. They are doing stirling work in trying to reign this crazy government in as we have seen today:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4327993.stm

How much longer they can hold them in check though remains unclear. No wonder New Labour want them abolished.

UB

unclebuck

These New Labour peers deserve special thanks for having the determination to stand up the government's Stalinist agenda.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4328239.stm

Lord Irvine, former lord chancellor and often described as Tony Blair's mentor in his early career

Lord Acton

Lord Ahmed

Lord Borrie

Ex-minister Lord Clinton-Davis

Baroness David

Lord Grantchester

Ex-minister Baroness Hayman

Ex-minister Lord Judd

Baroness Kennedy of The Shaws

Baroness Mallalieu

Lord Mitchell

Lord Morgan

Former Attorney General Lord Morris of Aberavon

Lord Plant of Highfield

Lord Prys-Davies

Crime author Baroness Rendell of Babergh

Renowned architect Lord Rogers of Riverside

Ex-minister Lord Sheldon

Baroness Turner of Camden

Holy Ghost

in a recent interview published today in the telegraph, tony blair asserted that derry irvine had helped teach him to learn "to think."

what about is anybody's guess.