Echo

It makes sense to me that if there are say 200 known likely terrorists or supporters that they aren't banged up. Assuming that they have actually been identified they will be monitored. If they were banged up they'd have less to go on. At least the unknown people will likely be communicating with the known ones they may be traced and then monitored too.

The style of these terrorists will be to keep so low key that people really dismiss that they are even here, then, at some time, will try to carry out a spectacular attack (and probably a multiple attack) on something that will cause mass murder, poisoning drinking water, crashing a plane in to a nuclear powerstation or something as dreadful?

I don't believe that the security services are totally useless and think that there are real risks. How do we know that there were no weapons on mass destruction? They could all be sitting in Syria now, lots of stuff went over the border.

Because there is an election coming many people will natuarally suspect the government's intentions but I just wish that all parties would work together and reached concensus on how to tackle the terrorists and then get on and fight the election on all the other stuff like the economy, health, pensions, etc.

Just my take on it.

turboman786

Bravo, I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I do not trust this government one bit. They spin lie after lie, and have a very strong political agenda which is not the one they reveal to the public. All I can say is that I hope that one day the good folk of this country will see the government for what they are.

moses

bravo i def agree bud their is a threat to the uk but 200 is exaggerating it, its like me saying bravo has a 20 inch ding dong, i aint got no proof do i

unclebuck

The style of these terrorists will be to keep so low key that people really dismiss that they are even here, then, at some time, will try to carry out a spectacular attack (and probably a multiple attack) on something that will cause mass murder, poisoning drinking water, crashing a plane in to a nuclear powerstation or something as dreadful?

Says who? Ah! The Government.

Ok then, if these 200 are here and ready to do this, arrest them and charge them. Simple. These principles have been sound for hundreds of years and served us well, so
what has suddenly changed to warrent these 'modifications' to the law?

turboman786

Record prod....so lets invade syria now, and make sure they dont have the WOMD.....oh but then they will have moved the WOMD to Egypt, so we'll have to go in and get them too.......deary deary me, where does all this madness end!

gsm1

And now they say they can't give specific information to the press about how many of these '200' are actually trained Al Qaeda operatives because it would jeopardise their sources etc. Yeah, right.

Oh come on, mate, if Saddam Hussein had WMD, what the hell was he going to do with it, save it for Christmas? I know, think Saddam and his cronies, let's not use the WMD when the US invade, we'll sell it on Ebay later. So clever is the Iraqi regime that they get WMD into Syria but can't smuggle themselves out of the country instead hiding in sh*tholes waiting to be arrested.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

200 terrorists versus the Streets, sounds fair enough !

moses

if thats the case take it off and send it to me so i can attach it to my private area the new king moses dong

sorry couldnt help it i will let u carry on the thread

unclebuck

Thanks mosser....

B2Z - if it's not 'all make believe' then let's see the evidence. We've been down this route before with WMD. We need *evidence*... then I'll believe you.

blueone

Democracy is never defended by removing the privilidges of living in one. I would rather have the risk of terrorism than have our civil libertys eroded in the name of 'security'. If we continue down this path of restriction after restriction then we are no better than OBL or who ever the bogeyman is this week. If people do not see what is happening then they deserve all they get with regards to Government.
If there are 200 terrorists in the UK how did they get here? If they are citizens of the UK, what does that tell you about the utopia of multi-culturism that has been pushed for the last 30 years? If they have gained entry to the UK due to lax border controls, what does this tell you about the people already in control of our security that have allowed this situation to develop?
No matter who is elected to power, we will see the gradual erosion of Liberty as long as the party system remains. Party politics is the real terrorism threatening all of the world today and the sooner everyone realises this the better...

gsm1

If you read John Stevens' article it and didn't know he had written it you'd think Alistair Campbell had.

scooby-si

because they dont give a fek, muslims or no muslims they will kill anyone or anything

moses

true they dont give a damn who they kill
just check out the lil kids in iraq and the woman and innocents butchered everywhere

unclebuck

blueone - good point, well made. However if: Party politics is the real terrorism threatening all of the world today and the sooner everyone realises this the better...

What's your alternative?

moses

first of all people dont be deceived by uncle buck

he is just playing, he loves bashing muslims anyway terrorist or non terrorist , so i aint surprised this time he is in the other side of the fence coz he is just playing

scooby-si

heres 1 for you to think about

the twin towers was done by PLANES ok.

madrid TRAIN bombing

so wants next.i say it will be a ship or a very large tunnel or bridge some where


planes,trains and

just a thought

moses

u mean the movie planes trains and automoblies

mate they already done a boat the invincible the us navy boat

names like invincible hmm what do they expect

and also they had a spaceship called challenger, challenging who, God

well it blew apart when it was penetrating through the earth ozone to the space

ozzy

There is an obvious threat from terrorism against the west, but I still think people need to actually sit and think about the reality of it all.

We'd do far better tackling the causes of the hatred for the West rather than worrying about what might happen. I certainly don't lose any sleep at night worrying about planes falling out the sky or my drinking water being poisoned. There's more chance of some nutter having a go at me on a Saturday night than being a victim of a terrorist attack.

I'm not saying we need to completely drop our guard, but I don't agree with the scaremongering going on with this government. Sounds to me like they're just pandering to peoples fears; fears that the goverment seem to like creating.

The government keep telling us how commited they are at protecting us from terrorism. I wish they'd put more effort into protecting our homes, our cars and our streets or our hospitals.

Even tonight the "200 terrorists" are now "200 Al-Queda Sympathisers". Maybe in a weeks time they'll become 200 people who happened to have mentioned the word Al-Queda.

I'd like to see some evidence first as they all sound like great stories that fill the dullness of 24hr news channels and sell loads of papers

As I said, we need to keep our gaurd up but lets not all get too carried away. We don't want to get as naive as our friends across the pond, where they'll lock someone up just for making a stupid joke.

blueone

Ban Political Partys. Have Independent MP's that actually have to live in their constituicy. Those that feel they are upto the job of being MP run in an election for the Job as well as the cabinet members. Limit to two consecutive terms in office. Have their wages paid as an average of what they have earnt in the last five years, index linked to inflation. Remove the PM's and others pension for life. All MP's to have worked for at least five years outside of Politics. State funding for Potential MP's election campaigns, no more donations to gain favour.
Reform of our system is long overdue. The status quo is leading to a two tier society of them and us, with them being Politicians that want to control the worker Bees with a few queens getting big and fat at our expense.

RussP

what - like pslewis you mean?

Angry

Sounds like America....

the rook

guys never mind terrorists from the middle east, its the ones from northern ireland who are the real threat, at the minute sinn fein/ira are not getting their political way and when that happens people die. the £26.5 million the ira stole from a bank here in belfast was to fund arms, regardless of what mainland press say the dogs in the street over here known this and blair will get the shock of his life when provos blow up london, he should have kept them locked up.

Freak

Or alternatively not been such an arrogant **** and destroyed the previous good work done in the peace process and subsequent cease fire....

I will raise my glass in celebration if someone blows blair to bits- better still, take out the entire cabinet.

the moose

I was the only person in my college exam who stood up and cheered when Thatcher resigned, but even I wouldn't actually wish her dead.

D'you not think you're personalising your dislike of this government just a tiny bit too much?

Freak

Nope
they will be queuing round the block to jump up and down on his grave.
Charge admission- make a fortune. Perhaps put that money to something useful.....like not an unprovoked attack on a country

r32

What is this no terrorist outrages in Europe since 9 / 11?
I'm sure the relatives of all those innocent men women and children murdered in the Madrid train bombings would not agree with you...

Leslie

I suppose it is also worth remembering that taking part in the illegal attack on Iraq for the non existent reasons which were given to us, have made us one of the prime targets for terrorism should it happen here.

At the same time that our soldiers are still stuck in Iraq at enormous expense and for how long yet?

Les