This should get the muslims going :-)
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Originally Posted by OllyK
The Christians would like you to think JC is a historical figure, otherwise they look very silly. Unfortunately outside the gospels written up to a century or more after JC's supposed death, there is very little to substantiate his existence. At best it seems to be a story based on the lives of 3 or 4 rabbis covering a century or so mixed in with quite a bit of pagan mythology particularly the egyptian gos Osris.
Have a read of these for a bit of background:
http://www.atheists.org/christianity/didjesusexist.html
http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizra...efutation.html
Have a read of these for a bit of background:
http://www.atheists.org/christianity/didjesusexist.html
http://mama.indstate.edu/users/nizra...efutation.html
The guy has obviously done a lot of research, and I can't confirm alot of what he says, but some of the historical data in it is undeniable!
So, there you go, not only is Jesus not the son of God, he's not even Jesus! Anyone doubting should read that.
Good links Olly, cheers
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Originally Posted by Geezer
That second link is one the most interesting, if lenghy, reads on Jesus I have seen.
The guy has obviously done a lot of research, and I can't confirm alot of what he says, but some of the historical data in it is undeniable!
So, there you go, not only is Jesus not the son of God, he's not even Jesus! Anyone doubting should read that.
Good links Olly, cheers
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The guy has obviously done a lot of research, and I can't confirm alot of what he says, but some of the historical data in it is undeniable!
So, there you go, not only is Jesus not the son of God, he's not even Jesus! Anyone doubting should read that.
Good links Olly, cheers
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Originally Posted by Wurzel
Well hasn't this thread progressed nicely since tiggs pointed out I was a retard posting bull**** way back on page 1
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A quick look around t'internet shows up similar inconsistencies for Mohammed too.
Well, I suppose if you tell a lie enough times, it gets accepted as truth.
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Well, I suppose if you tell a lie enough times, it gets accepted as truth.
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Originally Posted by Geezer
A quick look around t'internet shows up similar inconsistencies for Mohammed too.
Well, I suppose if you tell a lie enough times, it gets accepted as truth.
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Well, I suppose if you tell a lie enough times, it gets accepted as truth.
Geezer
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Well hasn't this thread progressed nicely since tiggs pointed out I was a retard posting bull**** way back on page 1
dont let the threads development fool you into thinking you are less of an idiot!
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So when was JC born ..??
Early October i reckon.
the 25th of december used to be the celebration of a pagan god... something to do with the rising of sun, apparently christians didnt like that, and so took the date to try and make it into something a bit more righteous, and so made it represent the birth date of JC.
just another one, there is only 2 accounts of birthday celebrations in the bible, and on both of them, someone had to give their life.....so JC is supposed to have said, my death is more important that my birth...so true followers of JC, wouldnt celebrate Christmas.
Early October i reckon.
the 25th of december used to be the celebration of a pagan god... something to do with the rising of sun, apparently christians didnt like that, and so took the date to try and make it into something a bit more righteous, and so made it represent the birth date of JC.
just another one, there is only 2 accounts of birthday celebrations in the bible, and on both of them, someone had to give their life.....so JC is supposed to have said, my death is more important that my birth...so true followers of JC, wouldnt celebrate Christmas.
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Originally Posted by redwrx
So when was JC born ..??
Early October i reckon.
the 25th of december used to be the celebration of a pagan god... something to do with the rising of sun, apparently christians didnt like that, and so took the date to try and make it into something a bit more righteous, and so made it represent the birth date of JC.
just another one, there is only 2 accounts of birthday celebrations in the bible, and on both of them, someone had to give their life.....so JC is supposed to have said, my death is more important that my birth...so true followers of JC, wouldnt celebrate Christmas.
Early October i reckon.
the 25th of december used to be the celebration of a pagan god... something to do with the rising of sun, apparently christians didnt like that, and so took the date to try and make it into something a bit more righteous, and so made it represent the birth date of JC.
just another one, there is only 2 accounts of birthday celebrations in the bible, and on both of them, someone had to give their life.....so JC is supposed to have said, my death is more important that my birth...so true followers of JC, wouldnt celebrate Christmas.
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Each to their own OllyK, i respect your beliefs, whether or not i share that belief is different. Likewise with JC, the bible and anything else to do with religion or faith...thats what they are - an individuals faith.
Apparently, i have great great great grandparents, the fact ive never seen them doesnt disprove thier existance.
Apparently, i have great great great grandparents, the fact ive never seen them doesnt disprove thier existance.
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Just as a matter of interest, i wonder how many people who actually deny the existance of JC, actually celebrate xmas.
And non of this **** n bull stuff, its only for the kids, its just a big pi$$ up, do you send xmas cards..?? cut the excuses ... you either do, or you dont.
And non of this **** n bull stuff, its only for the kids, its just a big pi$$ up, do you send xmas cards..?? cut the excuses ... you either do, or you dont.
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Originally Posted by redwrx
Each to their own OllyK, i respect your beliefs, whether or not i share that belief is different. Likewise with JC, the bible and anything else to do with religion or faith...thats what they are - an individuals faith.
Apparently, i have great great great grandparents, the fact ive never seen them doesnt disprove thier existance.
Apparently, i have great great great grandparents, the fact ive never seen them doesnt disprove thier existance.
You have to have faith to believe in God/Jesus because there is no proof at all.
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I don't believe in JC but I celebrate Christmas. For no other reason than it's a holiday, we can give cool presents and get cool ones back. Basically it's an excuse to have a few days off the rat-race that life is! I certainly don't go to church for mass. Do you?
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Just as a matter of interest, i wonder how many people who actually deny the existance of JC, actually celebrate xmas.
And non of this **** n bull stuff, its only for the kids, its just a big pi$$ up, do you send xmas cards..?? cut the excuses ... you either do, or you dont.
And non of this **** n bull stuff, its only for the kids, its just a big pi$$ up, do you send xmas cards..?? cut the excuses ... you either do, or you dont.
For the record, I don't send Xmas cards, to anyone, ever.
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Originally Posted by redwrx
Each to their own OllyK, i respect your beliefs, whether or not i share that belief is different. Likewise with JC, the bible and anything else to do with religion or faith...thats what they are - an individuals faith.
Apparently, i have great great great grandparents, the fact ive never seen them doesnt disprove thier existance.
Sadly the only historical evidence for JC is in the New Testament, which can for the most part be disregarded as a reliable source as not one of the gospels, epistles etc was written by somebody who was alive before JC was allegedly crucified on an X or T shaped cross (the Romans didn't use the + shaped cross, that's another pagan symbol adopted by the ignorant early Xians).
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There is a record about JC, its whether you believe it or not.
I do actually believe in JC, and in a supreme God..... i dont follow any particular religion tho, and as such i dont go to church at all ...except for funerals, when im going out of respect for the person.
I dont directly celebrate xmas, i would never wish anyone happy xmas, i may say 'all the best', i may go the pub on xmas eve, for the last 4 years ive spent xmas day on my own going for drives round the nice forest roads of North Wales, then i pick my kids up from their mum, and i give them gifts ...... but equally, i dont deny the existance of JC.
I do actually believe in JC, and in a supreme God..... i dont follow any particular religion tho, and as such i dont go to church at all ...except for funerals, when im going out of respect for the person.
I dont directly celebrate xmas, i would never wish anyone happy xmas, i may say 'all the best', i may go the pub on xmas eve, for the last 4 years ive spent xmas day on my own going for drives round the nice forest roads of North Wales, then i pick my kids up from their mum, and i give them gifts ...... but equally, i dont deny the existance of JC.
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Originally Posted by redwrx
Just as a matter of interest, i wonder how many people who actually deny the existance of JC, actually celebrate xmas.
And non of this **** n bull stuff, its only for the kids, its just a big pi$$ up, do you send xmas cards..?? cut the excuses ... you either do, or you dont.
And non of this **** n bull stuff, its only for the kids, its just a big pi$$ up, do you send xmas cards..?? cut the excuses ... you either do, or you dont.
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Originally Posted by redwrx
There is a record about JC, its whether you believe it or not.
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Originally Posted by Jap2Scrap
Wanna know what makes my mind up about right and wrong, religion wise...
You NEVER get an atheist zealot blowing **** up.
You NEVER get an atheist zealot blowing **** up.
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Originally Posted by redwrx
Im enjoying this thread, but sadly its time to go home ....
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Originally Posted by OllyK
That was class, mind you I think MP is great anyway.
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