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Geezer

That second link is one the most interesting, if lenghy, reads on Jesus I have seen.

The guy has obviously done a lot of research, and I can't confirm alot of what he says, but some of the historical data in it is undeniable!

So, there you go, not only is Jesus not the son of God, he's not even Jesus! Anyone doubting should read that.

Good links Olly, cheers

Geezer

OllyK

I have to agree, the second link started me off on a whole load of other research. Interesting how often people poke around the edges of a subject looking at the inconsitencies in the bible, rather looking right at the heart of it all and seeing; the earliest gospel was written by somebody who could not realistically have been alive by the time JC was supposed to have been crucified and that there is naff all evidence for JC outside of the gospels - hmmm!

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

Well hasn't this thread progressed nicely since tiggs pointed out I was a retard posting bull**** way back on page 1

OllyK

You are and you were, but we won't hold that against you

Geezer

A quick look around t'internet shows up similar inconsistencies for Mohammed too.

Well, I suppose if you tell a lie enough times, it gets accepted as truth.

Geezer

OllyK

You'll find the same for all the current religions. The thing that amuses me is that the current religions all dismiss the old religions for inconsitency, inaccuracy etc and yet can't see the same problems in their own religions which are derived from the older religions anyway.

Wurzel

iTrader: (1)

gee thanks

OllyK

Anytime - just call rent-an-insult and we'll be there

Tiggs

dont let the threads development fool you into thinking you are less of an idiot!

redwrx

So when was JC born ..??

Early October i reckon.

the 25th of december used to be the celebration of a pagan god... something to do with the rising of sun, apparently christians didnt like that, and so took the date to try and make it into something a bit more righteous, and so made it represent the birth date of JC.


just another one, there is only 2 accounts of birthday celebrations in the bible, and on both of them, someone had to give their life.....so JC is supposed to have said, my death is more important that my birth...so true followers of JC, wouldnt celebrate Christmas.

OllyK

Cool, tell ya what, prove he was actually bourn at all then we can bicker about the date.

redwrx

Each to their own OllyK, i respect your beliefs, whether or not i share that belief is different. Likewise with JC, the bible and anything else to do with religion or faith...thats what they are - an individuals faith.

Apparently, i have great great great grandparents, the fact ive never seen them doesnt disprove thier existance.

redwrx

Just as a matter of interest, i wonder how many people who actually deny the existance of JC, actually celebrate xmas.

And non of this **** n bull stuff, its only for the kids, its just a big pi$$ up, do you send xmas cards..?? cut the excuses ... you either do, or you dont.

Geezer

There are historical records, censuses etc. which explicitly name your great great great grandparents. There is no such record for JC.

You have to have faith to believe in God/Jesus because there is no proof at all.

Geezer

Jap2Scrap

I don't believe in JC but I celebrate Christmas. For no other reason than it's a holiday, we can give cool presents and get cool ones back. Basically it's an excuse to have a few days off the rat-race that life is! I certainly don't go to church for mass. Do you?

Jerome

I'm an atheist but still celebrate at Xmas. Rather than see it as a religious celebration, I see it as a time to be with the family. I am honestly not bothered about the whole present thing and would be quite happy to just enjoy the day with my (or the gf's) family. Also, as some of my family are very religious, it would be mean to upset them by trying to make some silly atheist point by refusing to celebrate. Goodwill to all men.

For the record, I don't send Xmas cards, to anyone, ever.

OllyK

No faith involved in Athesism, it is just the abscence of a belief in god(s) which is the default standpoint of science, if you can't observe its effects or test for it any way, then it doesn't exist. Sure if some new evidence comes along (still waiting after 4+ million years or about 36K years if you are a YEC) we can re-evaluate our stand point, that's the beauty of science, it self corrects, religion cannot and must not self correct or it destroys itself. It must remain closed to new ideas and develop convoluted rules on what should be taken literally and what is allegorical to try and account for its own internal inconsitencies.

Once again - you can't disprove things. I could however prove your great great great grand parents existed, your very existence does that, but you could corroborate it with historical records from multiple sources.

Sadly the only historical evidence for JC is in the New Testament, which can for the most part be disregarded as a reliable source as not one of the gospels, epistles etc was written by somebody who was alive before JC was allegedly crucified on an X or T shaped cross (the Romans didn't use the + shaped cross, that's another pagan symbol adopted by the ignorant early Xians).

redwrx

There is a record about JC, its whether you believe it or not.


I do actually believe in JC, and in a supreme God..... i dont follow any particular religion tho, and as such i dont go to church at all ...except for funerals, when im going out of respect for the person.


I dont directly celebrate xmas, i would never wish anyone happy xmas, i may say 'all the best', i may go the pub on xmas eve, for the last 4 years ive spent xmas day on my own going for drives round the nice forest roads of North Wales, then i pick my kids up from their mum, and i give them gifts ...... but equally, i dont deny the existance of JC.

Jap2Scrap

There are lots of records about JC, Cliff Richard done a few..

Jap2Scrap

Wanna know what makes my mind up about right and wrong, religion wise...

You NEVER get an atheist zealot blowing **** up.

OllyK

It's a pagan festival - why would christians celebrate it?

OllyK

Outside of the New Testament? Really? Cool - let's see what ya got then...

OllyK

This is where chaos. announces he is an atheist

redwrx

Im enjoying this thread, but sadly its time to go home ....

OllyK

Just as we get to the nitty gritty of actually providing the evidence to support your claim, now ain't that a shame?! I'll look forward to reading you citations tomorrow.

jasey

Life of Brian got it just about right for me


He's not the messiah ...

OllyK

That was class, mind you I think MP is great anyway.

jasey

you can't beat MP - always puts a smile on your face - and the fact that 99% of girlies don't think it's funny just makes it soooo much better