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10 March 2005, 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
Should have got an Evo VI, then I'd believe you 
All my friends couldn't understand why I had bought such a 'Boyracer's' car, but I didn't car what the image was, I just wanted the driving pleasure.Mart.
10 March 2005, 10:57 AM
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Originally Posted by lem0ncurd
But that's the whole argument!!! 
I value a more expensive bike, for the extra properties that that bike has and the extra benefits that it gives - nothing to do with image.
My argument, is that it's sad that people are so insecure that they are obsessed with buying things based on their perceived image, not for the extra value that they bring.
If I lived alone on a desert island, I would enjoy and value my expensive mountain bike equally, but who would care about owning a £5K Rolex in the same situation!?
You see my point!?
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I value a more expensive bike, for the extra properties that that bike has and the extra benefits that it gives - nothing to do with image.
My argument, is that it's sad that people are so insecure that they are obsessed with buying things based on their perceived image, not for the extra value that they bring.
If I lived alone on a desert island, I would enjoy and value my expensive mountain bike equally, but who would care about owning a £5K Rolex in the same situation!?
You see my point!?
Mart.
10 March 2005, 10:57 AM
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Actually I've had 2 of those, either side of the P1 and yes, they were bought for the same reason. All my friends couldn't understand why I had bought such a 'Boyracer's' car, but I didn't car what the image was, I just wanted the driving pleasure.
Mart.
All my friends couldn't understand why I had bought such a 'Boyracer's' car, but I didn't car what the image was, I just wanted the driving pleasure.Mart.
10 March 2005, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by lem0ncurd
No, you obviously didn't read my post. I said it's crazy buying expensive things purely based on the image that they portray and to keep up with the Jones'. But obviously, if there's extra added value in a more expensive item, then it makes sense to pay more. I buy Heinz beans over Tesco Value, for a reason, they taste nicer, not because I have to have the best brands in my shopping trolley.
You see the difference!??
You see the difference!??
So you buy Heinz because the fact that they taste better is important to you and hence worth the extra money? You've said this in your post above.
That's NO different to spending money on a nice watch because you think it looks nicer than a cheap one and because you consider the looks of your watch to be important enough to merit spending more money on it.
If how your watch looks doesn't matter to you personally, then fine - keep spending your money on bikes but don't assume that your opinion is correct and everyone else's is 'sad'.
10 March 2005, 11:00 AM
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lemoncurd...are you married? wife with an engagement ring?...a watch is jewlery.....expensive one is good quality jewlery.
my wifes ring cost 5 times what my Omega did but no one says "your ring is all about image you saddo"!
my wifes ring cost 5 times what my Omega did but no one says "your ring is all about image you saddo"!
10 March 2005, 11:03 AM
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Its entirely one's own choice to throw the money whichever way they want of course, and it is true of course that it is often done to impress others. If that is important to you-why not?
I also have to say that the Seiko that I bought in Hong Kong 22 years ago works perfectly, keeps time within 2 seconds a month, and its appearance is complimented by those who look at it.
It cost less than £90.00p
Les
I also have to say that the Seiko that I bought in Hong Kong 22 years ago works perfectly, keeps time within 2 seconds a month, and its appearance is complimented by those who look at it.
It cost less than £90.00p
Les
10 March 2005, 11:04 AM
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From what I've seen on here most people who buy expensive mountain bikes never ride them. They are exactly what you say - bought as trophies/status symbols. They take photographs of them in their living rooms to show off to other people on the net and that's about it.
10 March 2005, 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by mad_dr
I DID read your post and replied to it to point out the sheer ignorance that you releaved to us.
So you buy Heinz because the fact that they taste better is important to you and hence worth the extra money? You've said this in your post above.
That's NO different to spending money on a nice watch because you think it looks nicer than a cheap one and because you consider the looks of your watch to be important enough to merit spending more money on it.
If how your watch looks doesn't matter to you personally, then fine - keep spending your money on bikes but don't assume that your opinion is correct and everyone else's is 'sad'.
So you buy Heinz because the fact that they taste better is important to you and hence worth the extra money? You've said this in your post above.
That's NO different to spending money on a nice watch because you think it looks nicer than a cheap one and because you consider the looks of your watch to be important enough to merit spending more money on it.
If how your watch looks doesn't matter to you personally, then fine - keep spending your money on bikes but don't assume that your opinion is correct and everyone else's is 'sad'.
That's what's sad - isn't it?
Mart.
10 March 2005, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Its entirely one's own choice to throw the money whichever way they want of course, and it is true of course that it is often done to impress others. If that is important to you-why not?
I also have to say that the Seiko that I bought in Hong Kong 22 years ago works perfectly, keeps time within 2 seconds a month, and its appearance is complimented by those who look at it.
It cost less than £90.00p
Les
I also have to say that the Seiko that I bought in Hong Kong 22 years ago works perfectly, keeps time within 2 seconds a month, and its appearance is complimented by those who look at it.
It cost less than £90.00p
Les
10 March 2005, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by lem0ncurd
If paying more will buy you a nicer looking watch, then fine. But what I'm saying is that people buy expensive watches just so that they can boast that they're wearing an expensive watch! I always hear; "do you know how much this cost!?" With an expectation of me being impressed by the price.
That's what's sad - isn't it?
Mart.
That's what's sad - isn't it?
Mart.
lol but to be honest not that many people are like that are they
10 March 2005, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by lem0ncurd
people buy expensive watches just so that they can boast that they're wearing an expensive watch! I always hear; "do you know how much this cost!?" With an expectation of me being impressed by the price.
That's what's sad - isn't it?
That's what's sad - isn't it?
10 March 2005, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
If the "unrivaled" P1 looked like a robin reliant would u have bought it for 20k as you did (at a guess) for the P1?
I wouldn't buy a car that I thought personally was ugly. But I would buy a car if it offered the best driving experience, despite the conceived 'image'.
You see the difference?
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10 March 2005, 11:22 AM
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For example, I bought a brand new P1 3 years ago. I bought it for the sheer performance that the car had, and the unrivalled driving pleasure that the car would bring me.
Fail to see the reasoning behind your arguements. If you dont like flashy watches then you dont like them. Its quite another thing to spout the type of crap that youre coming out against the person who has this type of watch.
Are you some sort of communist that wants to ban people living in big houses, drive any sort of expensive car etc etc simply because its wasteful and potentially vulgar?
Shall we all live in 2 bedroomed flats in tower blocks?
10 March 2005, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl
And have you never heard of appreciating the aesthetic qualities of something?
10 March 2005, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by lem0ncurd
I think you're confusing 2 different things here. Looks are an entirely personal thing and are not controlled by outsider's perceptions. But, image is controlled not by you, but by outsiders.
I wouldn't buy a car that I thought personally was ugly. But I would buy a car if it offered the best driving experience, despite the conceived 'image'.
You see the difference?
Mart.
I wouldn't buy a car that I thought personally was ugly. But I would buy a car if it offered the best driving experience, despite the conceived 'image'.
You see the difference?
Mart.
10 March 2005, 11:28 AM
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No, all I'm saying is, buy it because YOU like it, not because of the perceived image, or what other people think of it. I've never said there's anything wrong with buying expensive things, just that it bothers me that people are so shallow to feel compelled to convey some sort of 'image' to others.
If that's not the case, then even better!
Mart.
If that's not the case, then even better!
Mart.
10 March 2005, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by lem0ncurd
I wouldn't buy a car that I thought personally was ugly. But I would buy a car if it offered the best driving experience, despite the conceived 'image'.
I wouldn't buy a watch that I thought personally was ugly. But I would buy a watch if it offered the best time keeping and build quality, despite the conceived 'image' by people like yourself presuming people with expensive watches buy to impress....
See the point now?
10 March 2005, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by lem0ncurd
No, all I'm saying is, buy it because YOU like it, not because of the perceived image, or what other people think of it. I've never said there's anything wrong with buying expensive things, just that it bothers me that people are so shallow to feel compelled to convey some sort of 'image' to others.
If that's not the case, then even better!
Mart.
If that's not the case, then even better!
Mart.
"oh there is a ugly coat, i think ill buy it, just cause beckham has one, lol"
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10 March 2005, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
No I dont, you obviously like the look of the P1, the P1 carries an image with it that alot of other people percieve to be a top spec rally car if you wanted a car that actually had an "unrivaled" driving abilities for similar or even less money why not look at westfields? get the best possible thing for your money rather than a compromise between something thats pretty good and looks smart....? You are contradicting yourself like nobodies business
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10 March 2005, 11:36 AM
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I suppose it's relative.
Somebody earnig 35k a year would spend £1000 on a watch is no different to someone on 17k a year spending £500.
Remember, expensive watches are items of jewellery and not just implements to tell the time.
A watch is no different to any other possession - some just like quality. Like clothes, shoes - and for alot on this site ; baseball caps.
Somebody earnig 35k a year would spend £1000 on a watch is no different to someone on 17k a year spending £500.
Remember, expensive watches are items of jewellery and not just implements to tell the time.
A watch is no different to any other possession - some just like quality. Like clothes, shoes - and for alot on this site ; baseball caps.
10 March 2005, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
So turn this around, YOUR sentace on a different subject with an added extra few words - watches
I wouldn't buy a watch that I thought personally was ugly. But I would buy a watch if it offered the best time keeping and build quality, despite the conceived 'image' by people like yourself presuming people with expensive watches buy to impress....
See the point now?
I wouldn't buy a watch that I thought personally was ugly. But I would buy a watch if it offered the best time keeping and build quality, despite the conceived 'image' by people like yourself presuming people with expensive watches buy to impress....
See the point now?
What I'm saying is I wouldn't let 'image' dominate my buying decision. An item's perceived image, wouldn't determine weather I bought it or not. And yet I think that many people's buying decisions are based exactly on this - the image that they perceive it to portray.
M.
10 March 2005, 11:41 AM
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I bought an Omega over a Rolex.
Reason?? i liked the Omega. More people have heard of Rolex but that wasn't my aim. I could have spent £300 on a YSL or something and have all the chavs licking my rectum - but I didn't.
Reason?? i liked the Omega. More people have heard of Rolex but that wasn't my aim. I could have spent £300 on a YSL or something and have all the chavs licking my rectum - but I didn't.
10 March 2005, 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by lem0ncurd
Nooo!
What I'm saying is I wouldn't let 'image' dominate my buying decision. An item's perceived image, wouldn't determine weather I bought it or not. And yet I think that many people's buying decisions are based exactly on this - the image that they perceive it to portray.
M.
What I'm saying is I wouldn't let 'image' dominate my buying decision. An item's perceived image, wouldn't determine weather I bought it or not. And yet I think that many people's buying decisions are based exactly on this - the image that they perceive it to portray.
M.
Flippin heck. Yes we KNOW that's what you're saying.
What WE are saying is that your choice of car, for example, could be seen in EXACTLY the same light by other people. Image apparently didn't play a part in your decision-making process, so DON'T assume it's a part of everybody else's!! Ok??!!!! Lordy.
10 March 2005, 11:41 AM
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The only reason people buy watches over a certain price point is the image the want to portray. Anything else is lies.
I'm happy for them to wear whatever they like, it makes it easier to identify who is a w@nker and who isn't. Bit like people who drive BMW X5's, Cayennes etc.
Most of these people are low rent new money types with no class or taste. Live in shoebox estate houses, wear mass produced 'designer' clothes, drink stella, play golf and are climbing the corporate ladder to nowhere (or work in the building trade *snigger*)
I despise them and as I'm a happy contented type the feeling is usually reciprocated.
I'm happy for them to wear whatever they like, it makes it easier to identify who is a w@nker and who isn't. Bit like people who drive BMW X5's, Cayennes etc.
Most of these people are low rent new money types with no class or taste. Live in shoebox estate houses, wear mass produced 'designer' clothes, drink stella, play golf and are climbing the corporate ladder to nowhere (or work in the building trade *snigger*)
I despise them and as I'm a happy contented type the feeling is usually reciprocated.
10 March 2005, 11:42 AM
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So where do you buy your shoes or trainers from? what mobile phone do you own? as I said before what size TV is in your front room? A watch is just another possesion... what do you care? if its someone bragging then look down on them knowing how shallow they are and feel chuffed with yourself but the majority of people buy expensive watches for other reasons than fashion