Are Labour Using the "Terror Issue" to Steal Our Civil Liberties?
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Do you honestly trust the current government not to abuse the new powers though?
If the government have nothing to hide, no alterior motives and will only detain people who are clearly terrorists then why do they want to bypass judges? Judges are impartial and are versed in the law. Politicians are biased, clueless as to the law and are easily corruptable!
If the government have nothing to hide, no alterior motives and will only detain people who are clearly terrorists then why do they want to bypass judges? Judges are impartial and are versed in the law. Politicians are biased, clueless as to the law and are easily corruptable!
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2000T - In situations such as these you cant predict the future - however you can look to history to see what has happened in the past. In the past fear has been used to surpress and control the general population, Stalins terrorism of his own countrymen, encouraging people to grass on their neighbours, Hitlers persecution of the Jews as the root of all their problems are 2 examples that immediately spring to mind. Today we have Tony Blair saying their are 200 terrorists out on the streets trying to kill us, and a removal of a basic tenet of our countrys history - the right of no false imprisonment - to trial in front of your peers to judge you, not on the whim of a politician who is acting on "intelligence" which you aren't allowed to see or contest...
Do you really believe that is a fair way to run a country? Say I hacked your computer and sent some "dodgy" emails from it which were then intercepted under the RIP Act. Lo and behold a team of big strong special branch officers burst in, take you away, and the Home Secetary imposes a control order on you - no leaving your house, talking to anyone, using your phone, post, radio, internet or any other form of communication. It wasnt anything to do with you, you say? Sorry we dont have to prove anything.... Welcome to New Labour - ever read 1984 BTW? Enjoy your life....
Do you really believe that is a fair way to run a country? Say I hacked your computer and sent some "dodgy" emails from it which were then intercepted under the RIP Act. Lo and behold a team of big strong special branch officers burst in, take you away, and the Home Secetary imposes a control order on you - no leaving your house, talking to anyone, using your phone, post, radio, internet or any other form of communication. It wasnt anything to do with you, you say? Sorry we dont have to prove anything.... Welcome to New Labour - ever read 1984 BTW? Enjoy your life....
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Just look at that dodgy b*stard Chirac did, changing the laws on presidential immunity to make himself untouchable in the face of allegations... that will be Blair's next trick no doubt
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Please, serious question, someone answer it.
If we know there are x amount of "al qaeda" operatives in the UK, then we must have some evidence against them.
WhyTF arent they either being deported or locked up based on the evidence we already have?
I guess what I'm really asking is why do we need this ruddy legislation when it'll be a judge deciding anyways
If we know there are x amount of "al qaeda" operatives in the UK, then we must have some evidence against them.
WhyTF arent they either being deported or locked up based on the evidence we already have?
I guess what I'm really asking is why do we need this ruddy legislation when it'll be a judge deciding anyways
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Along the same lines ... why, if there are so many terrorists walking around have we not had any atorcities in the UK? " ..well that's because of the sterling job done by our security forces .... " ..
OK. As above, if they have prevented atrocities by acting under the present laws why the h&ll do we need even more oppressive laws???????
Dave
OK. As above, if they have prevented atrocities by acting under the present laws why the h&ll do we need even more oppressive laws???????
Dave
Last edited by hutton_d; 14 March 2005 at 01:26 PM. Reason: Cra& speeling ...
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