View Poll Results: Who will you be voting for..?
Labour
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Conservative
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Lib-Dem
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Other (please state)
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8
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Won't bother voting
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SN pre-election vote poll..
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When the IMF starts calling in the money that NL have borrowed to make the economy look good, and when they are forced to raise interest rates so that everyone who has been borrowing cash as well suddenly find they can't service their debts and their house values go into negative equity, and when VAT and Nat Ins goes up, then you may reconsider your remark about the "rape of the economy" MJW.
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I voted as an 'other'
I am fed up voting for any of the Party politicians as guess what...
...the Government always wins when doing this.
So, if there is an independant standing in my area and I like what i hear from them, they shall get my vote. if not then it will be a spoiled ballot with
none of the above
written on it.
I am fed up voting for any of the Party politicians as guess what...
...the Government always wins when doing this.
So, if there is an independant standing in my area and I like what i hear from them, they shall get my vote. if not then it will be a spoiled ballot with
none of the above
written on it.
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Originally Posted by Leslie
When the IMF starts calling in the money that NL have borrowed to make the economy look good, and when they are forced to raise interest rates so that everyone who has been borrowing cash as well suddenly find they can't service their debts and their house values go into negative equity, and when VAT and Nat Ins goes up, then you may reconsider your remark about the "rape of the economy" MJW.
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Originally Posted by jasey
SNP.
Freedom form the English is what's needed for the Scots.
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Freedom form the English is what's needed for the Scots.
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So lets get this straight.
Cons are going to "rape" the economy
Labour have crap foreign policies..
So why have only 5 other people voted for Lib dems.
What are they going to do to make it any worse than it is??
Surely it's time for a "real change"
I'm voting for them, as I always have done so far..![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Cons are going to "rape" the economy
Labour have crap foreign policies..
So why have only 5 other people voted for Lib dems.
What are they going to do to make it any worse than it is??
Surely it's time for a "real change"
I'm voting for them, as I always have done so far..
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Lib Dems are even more anti-car than Labour, so I doubt they'll see much love here. They also fail to realise that we're not going to cut down our fossil fuel usage without nuclear power, seeming to think that wind farms and **** will be sufficient, a view that is only shared by lentil eating students.
If it wern't for these two issues, I'd be voting lib dem.
If it wern't for these two issues, I'd be voting lib dem.
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
Surely it's time for a "real change"
I'm voting for them, as I always have done so far..
I'm voting for them, as I always have done so far..
So do the decent thing mate and vote Tory, you can always vote LD in future when theyre the opposition
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So by leaning towards environmentalism.... no one will vote for them??
Wind farms are clean, cheap and safe...![Confused](images/smilies/confused.gif)
Which would you rather have outside your back door?
A nuclear plant or a wind farm.
Wind farm wins for me.![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Easier to build wind farms out to sea so as not to "spoil the landscape" aswell. IMO
If we don't start to become anti car and explore ways to move around and engineer/design different modes of transport at a gentle pace, it will be one big fall for EVERYONE when fossil fuels do run out...
I'm as mad on my own car and it's lack of enviromentalism as most of us on here bbut think that is only because there is no real, useful alternative..
Perhaps voting somone else in might just change things for the better?
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Wind farms are clean, cheap and safe...
![Confused](images/smilies/confused.gif)
Which would you rather have outside your back door?
A nuclear plant or a wind farm.
Wind farm wins for me.
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Easier to build wind farms out to sea so as not to "spoil the landscape" aswell. IMO
If we don't start to become anti car and explore ways to move around and engineer/design different modes of transport at a gentle pace, it will be one big fall for EVERYONE when fossil fuels do run out...
I'm as mad on my own car and it's lack of enviromentalism as most of us on here bbut think that is only because there is no real, useful alternative..
Perhaps voting somone else in might just change things for the better?
Andy
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Originally Posted by Petem95
But we need "realistic" change - the Lib Dems have no chance of winning the election, only Conservative stand a chance of kicking out Tony and his partners in crime.
So do the decent thing mate and vote Tory, you can always vote LD in future when theyre the opposition![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
So do the decent thing mate and vote Tory, you can always vote LD in future when theyre the opposition
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If you candy assed ******* actually voted for what you believed in, instead of voting the "party most likely to win" in, then perhaps this sh*thole of a country might be in a better position...
It only doesn't win because you don't bloody vote for them.
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No offence Pete95.
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Originally Posted by mynickers
So it's official, SN are TORY BOYS! ![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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I took it a stage further today by joining the Conservative party this afternoon. ![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
By the way, it costs £15 per year to join and as a member you get £18 off the RAC's top membership package.![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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By the way, it costs £15 per year to join and as a member you get £18 off the RAC's top membership package.
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I thought you got money off your local golf course and free membership to the Masons!
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
So by leaning towards environmentalism.... no one will vote for them??
Wind farms are clean, cheap and safe...![Confused](images/smilies/confused.gif)
Which would you rather have outside your back door?
A nuclear plant or a wind farm.
Wind farm wins for me.![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Easier to build wind farms out to sea so as not to "spoil the landscape" aswell. IMO
Andy
Wind farms are clean, cheap and safe...
![Confused](images/smilies/confused.gif)
Which would you rather have outside your back door?
A nuclear plant or a wind farm.
Wind farm wins for me.
![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Easier to build wind farms out to sea so as not to "spoil the landscape" aswell. IMO
Andy
The Electricity that wind farms produce is a drop in the ocean (No pun intended). If every planning application for renewable power sources gets the approval and financial backing over the next 15 years it still will not be enough to offset the forecasted increase in demand never mind displace any fossil fuel generating plants.
No party has a realistic long term energy policy as planning to go nuclear or investing billions in clean burn technology is a vote looser.
The Tories including Howard started the rot by throwing away the countries coal reserves and creating the dash for gas which has lost this country 20 years of UK sourced cheap energy.
In the short to term we will rely heavily on expensive imported coal and gas, in the long term no party has an answer or a workable policy.
China, USA Canada and Australia are all investing heavily in new fossil fuel plants and all apart from China are installing new state of the art clean burn technology.
This country is going to experience the same blackouts that countries like Canada have suffered. Years of no investment and no clear long term policies will mean the UK will not have enough generation capacity to meet demand.
Just wait for your bills to soar and your lights to go out.
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
So by leaning towards environmentalism.... no one will vote for them??
Wind farms are clean, cheap and safe...![Confused](images/smilies/confused.gif)
Which would you rather have outside your back door?
A nuclear plant or a wind farm.
Wind farms are clean, cheap and safe...
![Confused](images/smilies/confused.gif)
Which would you rather have outside your back door?
A nuclear plant or a wind farm.
Wind farm wins for me. ![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Easier to build wind farms out to sea so as not to "spoil the landscape" aswell. IMO
![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
Easier to build wind farms out to sea so as not to "spoil the landscape" aswell. IMO
Our existing nuclear plants are nearing the end of their life and with present policy, and with lib dem policy, nothing will be around to make up the shortfall.
If we don't start to become anti car and explore ways to move around and engineer/design different modes of transport at a gentle pace, it will be one big fall for EVERYONE when fossil fuels do run out...
I'm as mad on my own car and it's lack of enviromentalism as most of us on here bbut think that is only because there is no real, useful alternative..
Perhaps voting somone else in might just change things for the better?
I'm as mad on my own car and it's lack of enviromentalism as most of us on here bbut think that is only because there is no real, useful alternative..
Perhaps voting somone else in might just change things for the better?
But that wasn't actuall the point I was making by calling the lib dems anti car. I was referring to the speed camera bandwagon and their lack of a road building policy (not to mention the complete mess they are making of the roads in Liverpool, through a combination of lack of maintenance, random closure of useful routes and insane "traffic calming" measures (ie. bus sometimes has difficulty getting out of it's stop in rush hour, so they fill in the bus stop and then extend the new pavement out into the road, and put the bus stop there, so when the bus stops everyone has to queue behind it for 10 minutes while the bus loads up with old grannies from the old granny factory around the corner.
I moved to this location because it was 5 minutes drive (at rush hour) from my employer at the time. When I left that job, it was taking me 40 minutes due to these kinds of measures.
*because when your energy source is billions of miles away and has plenty of years left before it burns out, it's not your problem, right? renewable.!
Edit: and it should be noted that the increased comuting time, has resulted in a 16 times increase in my pollution output on that run, if you ignore the fact that most of it was stop start as opposed to a free run, so the actual pollution output is even higher. Nice job!
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A reduction in useage at my own home and a personal wind farm/ solar panel setup I would expect to suit my needs...
Imagine if everyone did this.......
but that's too easy.![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
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Imagine if everyone did this.......
but that's too easy.
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ok lets put it like this.....
1. everyone votes conservative
2. nothing changes in 4-8 years
3. everyone moans theyre crap and say they will be voting for labour
vicious circle.... ??
1. everyone votes conservative
2. nothing changes in 4-8 years
3. everyone moans theyre crap and say they will be voting for labour
vicious circle.... ??
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
A reduction in useage at my own home and a personal wind farm/ solar panel setup I would expect to suit my needs...
Imagine if everyone did this.......
but that's too easy.
Andy
Imagine if everyone did this.......
but that's too easy.
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Personal wind farm and solar panel arrangement will not supply electricity and heating for 99.9% of UK homes unless you have a massive garden for a turbine and convert your roof into solar panels.
Unless someone invents some form of super panel and super conductor your plan is not workable on a country wide scale.
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
A reduction in useage at my own home and a personal wind farm/ solar panel setup I would expect to suit my needs...
Imagine if everyone did this.......
but that's too easy.![Roll Eyes (Sarcastic)](images/smilies/rolleyes.gif)
Imagine if everyone did this.......
but that's too easy.
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Unfortunately, I rent, and like most buy-to-let landlords they are a bunch of cheapskates who don't do a proper job on anything unless legally required to (they only fixed the tempramental firealarm that went off every time it rained after one of the tenants threatened to report it as a health hazzard because no-one took any notice of the fire alarm apart from to pull the fuse and battery and go back to bed.) they also wont let me do any changes myself (I asked if I could fit a shower at my own expense, the work would be done by an ACOPS certified plumber and I would leave it behind when I moved out, and they said no and told me to buy a crappy £1.50 thing to stick on the end of the taps.
As the buy to let bubble grows and house prices work their way towards the stratosphere, this problem is only going to get worse.
Have you actually investigated the costs of fitting your own wind warm and solar panels? It's not all that economical. I think if you sell your excess power back to the national grid you can pay for it in something like 20 years and the initial outlay would be enough to buy a small fleet of scoobs.
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Originally Posted by Fuzz
If you candy assed ******* actually voted for what you believed in, instead of voting the "party most likely to win" in, then perhaps this sh*thole of a country might be in a better position...
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Originally Posted by jasey
Ghengis Khan would have to be standing to get SN to change their votes ![Wink](images/smilies/wink.gif)
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Originally Posted by jasey
Excatly - you knew where you stood with good old Ghengis ![Big Grin](images/smilies/biggrin.gif)
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Not too different from now then, except the daughter bit, that wont come in until the 3rd term.
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Originally Posted by Lum
Nuclear power is ....
Originally Posted by Lum
Fossil fuels will NEVER run out. etc
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it's not like the oil is a threatened species worth conserving, it's thick black sludge that will have no merit or value at all once the switch is made.
Originally Posted by Lum
and insane "traffic calming" measures (ie. bus sometimes has difficulty getting out of it's stop in rush hour, so they fill in the bus stop and then extend the new pavement out into the road, and put the bus stop there, so when the bus stops everyone has to queue behind it for 10 minutes while the bus loads up with old grannies from the old granny factory around the corner..... Edit: and it should be noted that the increased comuting time, has resulted in a 16 times increase in my pollution output on that run, if you ignore the fact that most of it was stop start as opposed to a free run, so the actual pollution output is even higher. Nice job!
Originally Posted by Lum
*because when your energy source is billions of miles away and has plenty of years left before it burns out, it's not your problem, right? renewable.!
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Originally Posted by warrenm2
Thats all lovely but the crucial bit you missed is it produces waste that kills all living things (apart from maybe a few extremophilic bacteria) for 10000 years.... factor in that, the Government subsidy that nuclear receives, the CO2 emissions in building it, and all the decommisionning costs and you'll find the sums dont quite add up
Oops you cocked up there, its a major feedstock for manufacture of plastics....
Now dont be silly - we are not affecting its course by using it or not, are we?!