rizzy

my thoughts also

Nathan L

Any polacc (police accident) involving a fatality will be referred to the IPCC (Independant Police Complaints Commision). Regardless whether the car was being pursued, had been pursued or was in the vicinity of a police car that had some bearing on the other. So yes this does happen quite often, it is standard procedure. The IPCC will supervise the investigation to make sure it is fair, thorough and balanced.

In all seriousness where are you getting the information about the second unmarked car? We can all read in black and white the press release, which states the Subaru made off from a marked car. Can you evidence your side of the argument?

Thanks

Nathan..

globalgb

It may be just a case of the typical unmarked car police behaviour where they deliberately drive up your **** in the hope that you put your foot down and they can then nick you for speeding/dangerous driving - it may have indeed happened in this case where the scooby driver just floored it, lost control and crashed. It would not 100% surprise me if that actually did happen and the police are just covering their **** by stating they were flashing'n'blue chasing and the car lost control when in fact they were just egging the driver on.

However, from what I've read by his previous driving style then he deserves to be 6 foot under.

If you can't do the time (ie dying), don't do the crime. :shrug:

STi wanna Subaru

iTrader: (1)

Harsh.

globalgb

It is indeed I'm afraid, but unfortunately it may have only been a matter of time before he seriously injured someone or perhaps even killed them. The flip side is that maybe he would have eventually grown out of it (as we do) but it seems apparent that he was far too immature to handle a car of that sort of spec and time was against him on this one.

SwishOvBolton

if you actually read that post that was left ,from a so called mate , and believe it , Well


id close ur eyes now

,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, because santa isnt real



If thatwas ur m8 and he just got killed would one of his m8s leave a post about ragging his motor about hangin on bk carparks with all the Birds , and the best dig of all was , mention he had an astra turbo then a saxo , then an intelligent dig say a subaru , it was someone makin him out be a chav driving a scoob , havin a mindless Dig ,
i cant believe anyone is poor enough to believe it ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

globalgb

Oh really? Proof is the pudding, the bugger is dead for driving like a complete tool so it makes the other comments believable and in fact probably true. Now his family has to pick up the pieces and try to struggle on through the void in their lives due to his behaviour.

SJ_Skyline

Updated Local Paper 125mph?!?!

Tiggs

sounds like he was just unlucky...could happen to any of us. Rozzers on your tail, 100mph+...clip a kerb, bit harsh to say he was at fault.

TonyBurns

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Right ill add my bit.
Unmarked police car..... well its bound to be a traffic car, this means that it has a camera in with video footage of the incident, it also has blue lights for pulling over people behind the front grill, also indicating that its a traffic car, police officers wear bright coloured vests to indicate they are police officers.... now think about it, the guy ran from an unmarked car, in pursuit it will have had its lights on, the guy didnt stop, that tells you something straight away.
We will wait until the outcome of the inquiry to find out the full story, if there is video evidence then it will come out there, but id suggest that you dont try outrunning police pursuit cars as they are normally quite tuned.
Regret that anyone died but its driver error and at this time only the driver is to blame, he had the option of slowing down or calling the police (as 99.9% of under 30's have mobile phones now), and cut out the chav talk as no one can understand that **** (unless your a total moron).

Tony

Tiggs

Even if you are being chase by evil baddies......going fast enough to kill yourself is not a very clever getaway plan!

SwishOvBolton

what is chav talk

Tone Loc

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Usually some nonsense that a educated person can't read. Inability to form sentences is a good indication......

Tony.

SwishOvBolton

i was just seeing were someone couldnt read my sentence , because i couldnt see a brail , (if spelt correctly button on my pc)

Tone Loc

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Eh...

Tony.

SwishOvBolton

i think someone was referring to me with chav talk ! i think

so i read through my sentence and couldnt see what was wrong with it , from the previous page ,
as i do type as i talk , but you do from bolton , Tinternet , upnorf , teli ,

speedking

Just to add coal to the fire ...

The word collision seems an odd choice if he lost it and crashed into a field.

"It doesn't happen every day that you are involved in a fatality." But they were following at some distance, not in pursuit? Earlier quote:"They weren't in pursuit directly behind it, they followed some distance away and they then discovered the car in the ditch."

"Both vehicles the crashed car and the police car have been taken in for mechanical examination". Why if they were nowhere near the accident?

SwishOvBolton

they was my thoughts 2 ,

Abdabz

Well he must have collided into something or he would still be going - could be in Kazakstan by now if he'd been careful

Nathan L

RTC is now the national recognised term for what used to be an RTA.

Road Traffic Collision.

In any fatal RTC, all vechicles involved are seized and examined, whether involved in the actual collsion or not.

They are also kept pending a review by the CPS, if the case is put to them for decision to prosecute or not. (R v Beckford 1999)

Nathan L

SwishOvBolton

Any thoughts on my post number 92?

SwishOvBolton

Yeah my side of the arguement is ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

they have found no evidence yet as why he sped off , (so why would he , he wouldnt )
there askin for witnesses to come forward ,(but the unmarked or marked cars will have video footage) in my oppionion if there is none ,
they can make what ever story they want up ! AS POLICE DO . . . .

i cant get passed the thought of him speeding off , they have nothing on him , if he had been a wanted criminal it would of said criminal died in police chase , uninsured driver found dead in police chase ,
the latest on the chase , there is still nothing on why he would speed off , (To Me SOUNDS all 2 Dodgy)


nathan

In all seriousness where are you getting the information about the second unmarked car? We can all read in black and white the press release, which states the Subaru made off from a marked car. Can you evidence your side of the argument?


the information was in the very first Post , thats what i read , post no 1 mate !!!!!! which was not all the facts

then i read the report from the paper`s ,,,,,

but what i cant understand is why are police checking both cars , the police car was so called not involed (was following from afar ) what so ever in the crash it sounds like he has as much involvement as every other car on that road that day !
and the papers have not even hinted that he was a criminal of any sort or was doing anything criminal , Maybe he could of been drink driving , so maybe in a few more days we`ll find out



im not trying make out him be a dangerous or safe driver , i just have never ever trusted a thing or the word of any Smokey in my life never have or never will ,

Nathan L

No, that's not what I asked mate. Have you got any evidence to support this notion about an unmarked car you mention?

Standard procedure on all fatal and life changing collisions is to put a press release out. This is a prescribed police action under the 'National Road Death Manual'.

There is evidence that he sped off, otherwise why would witnesses come forward to state he was doing over 100 mph? The reason he made off is yet to be found.

They may have had nothing on him for driving document offences but there could be plenty of other reasons why he made off. To discuss what these are would of course be pure speculation at this stage. There will of course be a post mortem and toxicology report.

Nathan L

Whoa, edited post after I started to reply.

As per post 110 mate

In any fatal RTC, all vechicles involved are seized and examined, whether involved in the actual collsion or not.

They are also kept pending a review by the CPS, if the case is put to them for decision to prosecute or not. (R v Beckford 1999)

This is stated case law and is also a prescribed action under the Road Death Manual.

SwishOvBolton

edited b4 u even replied the 1st time

SwishOvBolton

what i cant make out is why is the police car being taken !!!!!!!!!! it says it was tailing from way back so that to me is not involvement ,

i thought involvement was part of a crash , caused a crash , was part of a crash , not witnessed a crash 2 minutes later ,

Edcase

Sure, cos that's typical police behaviour.

I'm sure we've all experienced that at some time or another.

Haven't we??

AndiThompson

To you maybe its not, but as police procedures go, thats involved enough to have to inspect it.

And I believe the post about his driving and hanging around in burger king, obviously he and his friends didn't think there was anything wrong with this, and thought it was quite cool. No reasons not to believe it..

Tiggs

see this all the time down my road.....cops doing 100mph + behind a sports car...egging them on. Sometimes the cops where baseball caps to really trick the driver in front...very underhand.

T

hades

I have seen myself police using underhand tactics - e.g. on morning 6am or so on the M20, marked car doing 50mph, accelerates to 75 if someone comes alongside. As soon as the person drops back, the police slow down to 50 again. Carried on for 15 miles, after which I got off. Looked to me very blatant egging people on to nick them if they got fed up and went past.

I'm not saying it's a regular or a common occurrence, or knocking the police in general. I am saying that we shouldn't forget that "the police" are a large number of individual people, not a single entity. Most are decent people trying to do a difficult job as well as they can, some aren't. Same applies to members of any other (honest) profession you care to mention.

As regards the original accident. It seems fairly likely that the guy concerned may have been doing something stupid, but I suggest no-one on this board can ever know for certain, there could be any number of things that caused the incident - some that have been mentioned, some that haven't, some innocent, many not. What we do know is that he is dead, and his friends/family will miss him, which is sad.