Labour will win a third term
05 April 2005, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Spring Heeled Jack
So your vote is decided by fear of George W. Bush then? Interesting.
I simply think it's not wise for a leader of the country to be openly unfriendly with any foreign country. Especially one that we do so much trade with.
05 April 2005, 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by D70
Choosing between labour and conservative is like choosing between being beaten to death by a hammer or by a baseball bat. The end result is the same and equally as painful.
05 April 2005, 07:00 PM
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Probably true - so given that one or the other is all but inevitable, the best we can hope is that occasionally some time has to be spent discarding one weapon and getting a good grip of the other, which is time that can't be spent actually beating.
There's a lot to be said for simply voting for whichever party isn't currently in power, so that each can kerb the worst excesses of the other.
There's a lot to be said for simply voting for whichever party isn't currently in power, so that each can kerb the worst excesses of the other.
05 April 2005, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Iain Young
I simply think it's not wise for a leader of the country to be openly unfriendly with any foreign country.
"Michael Howard issued a blistering rebuff to George W Bush yesterday after the President barred the Tory leader from the White House as punishment for his attacks on Tony Blair over the Iraq War."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main...29/ntory29.xml
Who does that **** Bush think he is? That's not diplomacy that's intimidation plain and simple.
Howard is a decent man doing his duty for his country and Bush is a war criminal. I know who I'll side with.
05 April 2005, 07:29 PM
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Originally Posted by D70
Not usually no, I don't actually believe the economy is in a great state, I was merely trotting out the line that seems to be believed by the 'man on the street'.
For me it's a question of ideology, as there is no anarchist/libertarian party to vote for I'm forced to vote for tony and his band of war mongering rabid right wingers rather than howard and his.
For me it's a question of ideology, as there is no anarchist/libertarian party to vote for I'm forced to vote for tony and his band of war mongering rabid right wingers rather than howard and his.
05 April 2005, 07:31 PM
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Bush can get away with it because he's got huge resources behind him. We haven't, so we need to be as friendly with as many people as possible.
As for the Bush / Howard situation. I've no idea how it degenerated to the level it has, but I can't believe it's all Bush's fault. Bit like Blairs relationship with the French
There's no smoke without fire....
As for the Bush / Howard situation. I've no idea how it degenerated to the level it has, but I can't believe it's all Bush's fault. Bit like Blairs relationship with the French
There's no smoke without fire....
05 April 2005, 10:21 PM
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No way will I vote for Howard. If they put in Theresa May I think that they will have a good chance next time. There's a bit I don't like about Labour but a heck more I don't like about the Tories so I'll be voting Labour, not that it matters, it's a Tory stronghold here in the Cotswolds.
05 April 2005, 11:20 PM
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I think this will be the "apathy election".
New Labour is not that popular right now, but the Conservatives are not an attractive alternative. So what would the Tories do differently? Not a lot.
- The Tories backed New Labour 100% on their decision to invade Iraq, so no moral high ground there. Only the Lib Dems opposed and in hindsight it looks like their judgement was most sound.
- The Tories will no doubt talk tough on crime, but they have no track record of reducing crime, so it's all fine words an no action. Sure, put more police officers on the streets. But that's like using a sticking plaster to treat cancer. The biggest challenge is to stop crime taking place in the first place and Thatcher's "no such thing as society" was the catalyst to the me me me culture in the UK now.
- The Tories might be tougher on immigration, but New Labour already recognised that as a threat and have tightened up on that quite a lot already, so no big change their either.
- Maybe the Tories will be better managing the economy? I think they'll have a tough job, Gordon has been doing a pretty good job there. Letwin would stick to New Labours spending plans for the first 3 years I believe, so no change there.
- Perhaps Europe is an area where the Tories have a more popular position? Forget it! The Conservative party is split top to bottom on Europe.
- So are the Tories more trustworthy than New Labour? I'm sorry, I just can't see it. Howard himself still reeks of the last Tory government. He has jumped on every popular and opportunist bandwagon that has come by and not really shown true leadership IMHO. And have people forgotten the famous Jeremy Paxman interview? Can anyone really say you would trust him to run the country?
I am no New Labour apologist, but I don't see the Tories as a palatable alternative. Perhaps it's time for a Lib-Dem love-in
New Labour is not that popular right now, but the Conservatives are not an attractive alternative. So what would the Tories do differently? Not a lot.
- The Tories backed New Labour 100% on their decision to invade Iraq, so no moral high ground there. Only the Lib Dems opposed and in hindsight it looks like their judgement was most sound.
- The Tories will no doubt talk tough on crime, but they have no track record of reducing crime, so it's all fine words an no action. Sure, put more police officers on the streets. But that's like using a sticking plaster to treat cancer. The biggest challenge is to stop crime taking place in the first place and Thatcher's "no such thing as society" was the catalyst to the me me me culture in the UK now.
- The Tories might be tougher on immigration, but New Labour already recognised that as a threat and have tightened up on that quite a lot already, so no big change their either.
- Maybe the Tories will be better managing the economy? I think they'll have a tough job, Gordon has been doing a pretty good job there. Letwin would stick to New Labours spending plans for the first 3 years I believe, so no change there.
- Perhaps Europe is an area where the Tories have a more popular position? Forget it! The Conservative party is split top to bottom on Europe.
- So are the Tories more trustworthy than New Labour? I'm sorry, I just can't see it. Howard himself still reeks of the last Tory government. He has jumped on every popular and opportunist bandwagon that has come by and not really shown true leadership IMHO. And have people forgotten the famous Jeremy Paxman interview? Can anyone really say you would trust him to run the country?
I am no New Labour apologist, but I don't see the Tories as a palatable alternative. Perhaps it's time for a Lib-Dem love-in
06 April 2005, 01:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Vegescoob
Brit in Japan, postal vote or proxy for you?
It'll be the first election I've missed. The first one I voted at was the June '87 elections, I voted on the way to school to sit an A' level
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