Spoon

Paul- I take it you never read my reply to this then?

OllyK

But you have to consider, that those with dogy dealings that get negative feedback would be dumb to re-use that account, instead, start a new one with 0 feedback.

Spoon

Of course but there's no way around that unless eBay limit the amount of accounts permissable in a certain time frame.

It also depends on how early on the negatives were obtained too as to if they'd bother with a new account. There are plenty out there who won't start from scratch again and just take the risk.

As I implied though, being totally blinded by feedback isn't worth it. 99% of my customers come with 0 feedback because of the nature of my products. I'd never turn them away and they often come back months later with higher feedback. I know in this case they are the buyer and not the seller as Gav is but the risk is still similar.

With a car however you can always view it before parting with the money so a scam is unlikely. (assuming ownership etc is in order).

BOB.T

I should really add they asked for a buy it now price, which I haven't offered. I don't know what it's worth so I don't want to sell myself short. I don't see why they can't just bid on it.

Paulo P

iTrader: (42)

I did but most of the time in my experience it's the bigger sellers who are quicker to leave feedback it's the smaller ones who are less professional and can't be arsed

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

Agreed . . . lazy, ignorant ******* I emailed one chap who emailed me to ask if I would leave feedback. I ranted about his lack of effort . . . he left feedback immediately You're right, people hold back on posting feedback just in case you leave -ve feedback for them for a st1te product Big sellers seem to be more forthcoming.

Gav1

And yet again another muppet............

Woman asks question on ebay site " whats the minimum you will take??"
Wife replies " ideally 4-4200"

Woman phones me up and arranges to come and see thecar tomorrow night.......all good.

Then goes back on ebay and proceeds to email my wife telling her that Parkers guide says the car should be £3000!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spoke to wife on the phone and told her to refer her to Autotrader and the prices they are selling for in there....3800- 4500.

TIME WASTERS!!!!!!!!!!

GaryK

ebay works very well just remember the old adage 'the more you tell the more you sell' too many people just dont take the time to put a decent description and you should always have a good number of photo's. As above make sure what you want is realistic in terms of sale price. Cars do sell very well on ebay even run of the mill cars, my missus's honda civic was becoming a landmark cos no-one wanted it and we shifted it on ebay no problem. I buy and sell a reasonable amount of stuff and it works well simply because you are reaching a very big audience. Sure you have time-wasters but you get them if you advertised in auto-trader or your local rag.

Good luck!

Gary

Spoon

Disagree totally about the bigger sellers leaving feedback first in a general sense as per the numerous threads on the subject in the Powerseller forum.

Most of them never leave feedback first because of the automation in SMP (selling manager pro) and those that don't use that facility point blank refuse to leave it first anyway.

I personally leave feedback the moment a customer has paid as his/her part of the transaction is complete.

The problem is so many people misunderstand the feedback system and can leave a negative if the item hasn't been delivered within 3 hours of the listing ended.

By not leaving feedback first you eliminate the numpties and can neg them back to qualify for mutual feedback withdrawal, cleaning the slate.

Also as said, feedback is purely optional.

scoobydooooo

this is your first sale on ebay ?? and you are whinging already !! what a patient man you must be !!
"I am looking for £4,200.00,"
"Q: how much to end it now i live in stoke so i dont have to come far ive been after one of these for a long time thanks answered on: 29-Mar-05
A: I am sorry I can not give you a figure, please would you make a bid? "
not much confusion going on here eh ?!?!?

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

You are well within your rights to disagree, but in my experience this has been the case. I'm by no means an eBay expert, been using it since 2001, this is my opinion based on my experience since this time, being well aware of SMP and that feedback is optional.

What I do disagree with is this statement:
Its just typical of the tit-for-tat attitude of some sellers If they pay up on time, thats their part of the bargain fulfilled IMO. If your product is not good enough, then you deserve all you get.

You are right, that buyers can misinterpret the feedback system, but maybe its time for a new system since eBay has grown so much ?

Gav1

My first sale on ebay yes, my first encounter with time wasters, penny pinching chavs and people who can't be bothered to read the ads properly.....No.

As for me being a patient man i am generally yes......except with the sorts mentioned above and people on here who don't appear to be able to post without knocking others!!

gav.

Spoon

By disagreeing with that statement and then agreeing that people misinterpret the feedback system is actually a contradiction.

The quality of anybodies goods had nothing to do with a numptie leaving feedback because they hadn't received their goods within 3 hours of the listing ended. For poor quality goods of course feedback as seen fit should be left.

As said, I always leave feedback first. I'm merely relaying what fellow Powersellers do and stating a reason why they feel they have to due to Numpties misunderstanding the system.

eBay need to change a lot of things, feedback being one.

Gav1

scoobydoo, like how you did that..............totaly mirepresented what appears on the ad.
The first question was asked days ago at the beginning of the auction and my wife decided it would be best not to let people know the reserve figure right at the beginning.
The second comment where she informs the interested party of the price she is looking for was posted today with just hours left to go on the auction and she obviously thought she had a potential buyer.

thanks. gav.

Spoon

DJ Dunk - Technically the buyers part of the transaction doesn't end after payment.

I know of a few sellers who have received -ve feedback because the buyer hadn't received the item despite being given an estimated time of delivery.

Guess why?


They weren't in to receive it!!!! The item was taken back to the courier depot. They left -ve feedback because they nipped to the shops!!

There's no helping some people.

DJ Dunk

iTrader: (5)

Its not a contradiction, simply an indication that both buyers and sellers can manipulate the feedback system to their own ends. I said that buyers *can* misinterpret the feedback system and clearly do.

Of course there will always be the numptie element who use it as a blunt weapon to complain needlesly. I think that we are in agreement that both sellers and buyers alike, abuse the system. Being one such person who does not abuse it (as a buyer and seller), I feel aggrieved that sellers do so when dealing with me as an honest buyer. Hence my original post.

scoobydooooo

gav 1 , so you had no idea until today how much you were prepared to take for the car ?! if not how did you know how much to set the reserve for ! also if you didn't want people to try and get a bargain , here's a hint , don't put it on ebay !! try the auto-trader mate !

dba

you didn't sell the car becuase its over priced,or you need to keep relisting it until someone who wants a Tigra starts searching.If you went in Autotrader yoiu would expect to wait upto several weeks to sell,so for a quick sale on Ebay,ie 7 days its reasonable to expect it to go for less,but for some reason you thought Ebay was/is something its isn't.Its not magic,you have to work at your sale,be reasonable and expect disappointment.

had you put that Tigra in at a 2500 starting price with no reserve it may have sold providing a buyer was looking for one.just my 2p

Freak

well ,technically the sellers part ends when they post the item
Guess what?
Some people have problems with postal services or reading descriptions- then they deciee to leave an unjustified negative- despite it not being the sellers fault.

As far as i am concerned, when i receive feedback it not only confirms they have recieved the item, it confirms they are happy with it and the transaction is complete.
Then, and only then, do i leave feedback. and that is the way i will continue to do it.
happened to me in the past too!
I had a package returned to me 3 times because the retard said he was working and wasnt home, and couldnt get to the depot to pick it up! What the hell was i supposed to do about it? F*ckwit

Spoon

It is actually the sellers responsibility to ensure the item reaches the buyer. If it gets lost it is the sellers responsibility to find or replace it until the customer has the item in their possession.
Likewise it is the buyers responsibility to get payment to the seller.

In both cases it is always worth getting proof of delivery. Too many scallys know the system and will claim non-delivery plus a Paypal chargeback. That's goods and money lost, great.

Communication is the key preventing unnecessary -ve feedback. If the item does go missing the buyer/ seller needs to be kept informed.