hades

I'm not convinced that the scoob has been "designed with the PPP in mind". I think it's more that Prodrive determined the rest of the car is capable of taking a PPP within the existing drivetrain. On a WRX around perhaps 320lbft starts threatening integrity of gearbox / clutch - I know someone who killed a clutch, gearbox and rear diff very quickly with ~380bhp/330lbft.

On an LCR, you will probably find that there will be a number it is also capable of without really reducing the life (I have no idea what that number is). The other thing to note is that scoobs will stress the drivetrain when doing fast launches a lot more than the LCR - as the Leon will either wheelspin some power away, or invoke T/C and drop the power.

If I were in that situation, my reaction would be to check with all the people who have owned modded LCRs, see what miles they've done and what failures.

Darren 01

I too am an ex LCR owner. It was APR chipped and very swift indeed.

Best all-round car I have owned. Put 53k miles on her so know them pretty well. No mechanical failures either. Was running so sweat when I sold it.



I have only had the WRX STI PPP a few weeks so still getting used to it.

I will certainly not be trying to race any chipped LCR’s! there really would not be much in it at all in a straight line 80-120!!!



If it was slightly damp or raining there would be no contest from the lights. The STI is viscous on take off! So is the WRX!!



LCR is far from dangerous in the wet though. Keep the ESP switched on and drive like a Looney and it will keep you on the tarmac. Even sorts it out if you get it sideways. Which is fairly easy? Lift off mid corner…



Good points LCR



Looks better than a WRX (I Think)

Faster when chipped

Seats are better

Cheaper insurance

Cheaper than a WRX

Great motorway cruiser



Bad points



Has an initial bit of body roll on turn in before settling down

Bit crashey over bumps

Wheel hop when the wheels spin.

WRX with decent back box sounds much better



Best way is to test drive them both then choose. Both very capable cars....

sjah555

Once again cheers for the comments, opinions..

Just to throw a bit of a spanner into the works.. I test drove a 182 (with Cup pack) which the dealer let me hold onto for the afternoon . Totally sublime handling for a FWD car OK it's not as quick in a straight line as the Scoob is but it makes up for it in the way it attacks anything with a corner. The ESP didn't appear to be particularly intrusive although did sap some power when trying to launch it in a hurry. 2nd, 3rd and 4th were great for some proper B-road looning and there was a confidence inspiring level of grip from the 205/45 R16s. Cruising at 70mph was a bit of a chore though. There just wasn't the torque available in 5th to go from 60-90 in a hurry and on occasions the 182 felt a little on the sluggish side. But that was my only real gripe with the car apart from the slightly dated but functional interior.

Now to arrange the LCR drive.. and hopefully not get distracted by anything else

-Sal-

03-CTR

but then given the competition in the hot hatch arena, wouldn't you think that vag would have given the s3, lcr etc a bit more oomph if they thought the 1.8t was good for a 'reliable' 350bhp/330lb ft ?? kind of negates the need for developing a 3.2l engine in the r32, tt and s3.

so do jabba offer any kind of warranty with their work ?? i did look on the jabba site but it said nothing about warranties. what i did find facinating though was the statement:

"with this efficiency the engine will produce more power with no added stresses"

that's quite a remarkable statement imo.

with regard to the lcr v wrx thing though i'd have thought the wrx would be the better choice if you're after 350bhp though as this kind of power must be wasted on a fwd car.

Mitchy260

It is in the first 2 gears, however once into 3rd a FWD car with that amount of power will be very fast.

All you need to do is go over onto the Audi/VW/Seat/Skoda forums and ask at how many have had remaps and ask how many have had problems with them.

There are thousands of owners throughout the Vag group and ive yet to read 1 horror story.

More stress can only be assumed, but as far as stats go, there's not a lot to back this ''more stress'' up with

Perhaps they chose the 3.2 V6 because they wanted a N/A car?

Chins

Maybe not many pistons melting themselves, but I could put quite a few links up over the years questioning the reliability of some of the remaps.
MAF's tend to be a big issue, although that can affect std cars as well.

A recent one

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/showthread.php?t=54787

Mitchy260

The MAF is a known weakpoint of the 1.8t.

Mine gone before my remap due to an oil soaked airfilter contaminating it.

Darren 01

A MAF can go on a standard car just as easily as a remapped car!

hades

Same could be said of scoobs, but there's an awful lot of people happily toddling around day in day out with exhausts, TEK maps etc giving up to say 70bhp or so over standard, with no reliability issues. Similarly, Vauxhall Engineers have said their 2L turbo (VX220, Astra VXR etc) is good for a reliable everyday 300bhp, but they don't sell it with more than 240bhp. I don't doubt there are many more examples.

A large part of it is probably that the manufacturer is trying to give a margin for people who abuse the car - don't warm up/cool down, don't service regularly or well, drive like it was stolen etc, and yet still expect reliability.

03-CTR

sadly you don't get something for nothing so jabba's comment needs to taken with a (rather) large pinch of salt. other than the thermal issues a 1.8t pushing out an extra 100lb ft of torque will be stressing everything downstream by an amount relative to the added 100lb ft. i guess it's all immaterial if the engines are doing up to 60k after a remap/charger kit install but it'll be interesting to see if the engines are still sweet after 100k (compared to a stock lump) as this level of tuning will only serve to accelerate fatigue etc.

can't imagine that vag only developed the 3.2 v6 for want of an n/a car though. the development must have cost a fortune over a relatively simple remap and adds a significant mass to the front end too.

Mitchy260

Perhaps they kept it down to a 225 output for insurance/emissions/economy reasons??

The K04 turbo as used in the engine is only reliable for a safe 290bhp. Anything more and you need to upgrade to a bigger flowing turbo. However according to all the Vag based tuning companies the engines are good for a safe reliable 350bhp. All you need to do is fit a larger turbo/injectors etc

The boxer engine started life as a 208bhp example, im sure there are a few on here safely running 330 and more on these standard internals.

I get what your saying though as in the long run there must be an effect on the engines long term capability. It may have well cut it from a 200,000 mile engine to a 100,000 mile engine. We don't know yet

03-CTR

yeah. probably won't affect most peeps as they will pass the car on way before it hits 100k but it'll be interesting to see if any see the test of time.

iguana

No pics but-

Davy- LCR = beam axle with conventional springs & shocks just like many an old school hatch & Mk1,2,3,4 Golfs etc.

The indepentant set up from S3 = wishbones either side as the 4wd dif (or Haldex unit on the S3/TT) & drive shafts need room & also conventional springs & shocks.

Hotpants

Sjah555 , got it on Saturday (LCR ) that is , initial impressions are it's a very different beast.

I won't bore you with all the plus points of the Scoob , as you and everybody else know what they are already.

As for the Leon ( with Revo) , well , Yes it's quick , stormingly quick in gear , but it's definately going to be an art getting off the line in it.
Whereas in the Scoob , all you really had to worry about was bogging down & getting a lame take off as a result , with the Leon it's a tad more tricky...But not impossible , give me a couple more days!!!!!!
Personally I'm looking forward to the challenge of Front wheel drive , takes me back to my Clio 16v & 106xsi days.
As for the handling , well I am comparing 200 miles in this to 76000 miles in the Scoob, but it feels surefooted & exit speeds seem right up with the Scoob already...But it was dry at the weekend. Like I say I need more miles in this to get used to it , but if it ends up impressing me as much as the Scoob has done , I'll love it.
To sum up , fast , different , good looking , need more practice miles , well looking forward to it , missing the Scoob But the future looks Good!!!

SirFozzalot

Hotpants - Your Leon looks awesome on the road!

I think you made a good choice!

Hotpants

Cheers , couldn't see you for dust , I'm still learning my trade before I get my 1st potential caning from an STi.

SirFozzalot

sjah555

Hotpants - glad you've taken to it so well .. that is definitely promising. Had a blat with an LCR (modded I hope ! .. ) this morning on a few DCs and up to 85mph there was hardly anything in it.

-Sal-

PS. Does it have even a half decent exhaust note ?.. [please say yes ]

Hotpants

Sadly NO !!!! Found my favourite little Tunnel & it sounded like a wet fart to be honest , but I tell you now I'm really growing fond of this little car , it's super stealth aswell , nobody seems to be aware of its potential. I like it!

sjah555

Drove an LCR 225 in 'Emocion Red' yday lunch..

..impressed. Stealer was kind enough to bring the car down from N. London to work (~100 miles round trip ! ) and then went out for a spirited drive on a few known roads. Once rolling it did seem to shift without fuss but ESP did kick-in a little obtrusively during an attempted quick getaway . Nicely weighted steering feel (if a little low on feedback especially compared to the Clio 182 I drove on Sat'day) but not bad by any means. Looks.. aggressive but understated. Decent Q-car.

Revo conversion will make it much more of a beast IMO..

All in all - thumbs up for the LCR. Think it may have to be done !

-Sal-

newscottc

Hi chaps,

scoobyjawa mentioned that there was a thread about the LCR on here so I thought I would have a read.

Seems that the LCR has done quite well, I was in a similar position last June when I wanted a new car and had 3 choices, 1 of which was a WRX STI..

In the end I went for the LCR due to the running costs and that from £475 to around £1k you could get a decent remap.

I ended up getting mine remapped with Oettinger, which is more expensive but does come with a warranty that matches the Seat warranty. Basically what Seat wont fix RSD (UK Oettinger dealer) will plus it's a German tuning company which means every remap has to be TUV approved so you know that you are getting a good remap.

To be honest there is little in it when it comes to the remaps, Jabba do seem to get better figures but in terms of on the road performance there would be nothing in it, a Jabba car could not pull 1 car length let alone 3 or 4 from a Revo, APR, AMD or Oettinger car.

I have also added a Full Milltek system inc a sports cat, it really makes a difference to the noise of the car, sounds a lot louder and had much deeper note to it and now and again you get some nice popping noise's!!

Anyway enough of me going on, have to say though very impressed with this forum, especially when it comes to talking about other cars, there is no sl*ging off just a genuine interest in cars.

Here are a few shots of mine:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4.../zainoside.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...ins/zaino2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/PICT0554.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v4...s/DSC00097.jpg

Vtec-Abuser

Nice pics mate..

sjah555

Nice pics and nice car mate .. ta for the comments.

In negotiations with the stealer as to what my P/X is worth.. but barring that hope that he offers me a reasonable amount so I can keep within my budgeted CTC and then we'll have a deal !

-Sal-

Hotpants

Good luck with the P/Ex , one dealer offered me 3k for my 99UK Turbo with FSH. I went elsewhere & in the end managed to squeeze 6 grand for mine.

sjah555

3k !.. hope you told them to go shove it where the sun don't shine (i.e. Staines, Surrey ).

Had quotes ranging from 4 - 5.5K for mine. Stealer has returned with offer of 4k which is a bit miserable, but car does not have A/C which is big no-no apparently. Gonna try wangle a few more £££ out of them but not looking good..

Shame..

-Sal-

Hotpants

Nice looking car newscottc , having just purchased a LCR , just wondered what Boost gauge you've had fitted to the front pillar & where you got it.

Mitchy260

You need an A pillar from nomad and then there is a vast choice of gauges to choose from. I got boost (psi) and oil temp

http://www.xyberautos.com/catalog/de...hp?cPath=40_49

SiDHEaD

I must say the SEAT dealer in cheltenham gave me a rather crap trade-in offer on my scoob, which is why I don't have an LCR sitting on the drive right now!

Hotpants

Cheers Mitchy260 , will have to invest in a gauge or two me thinks , is it a DIY job or is it strictly a job for the PRO's.

SJAH555 , what's the latest , have you taken the plunge yet or are you still having your pants pulled down by the Dealers offering you peanuts for your Scoob.

Mitchy260

You can give it a go yourself if your not bad with wiring.

Im useless with the stuff so i got a mate to fit it all.

http://www.seatcupra.net/forums/show...ghlight=gauges

Post 6+7 for my gauges