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24 April 2005, 08:02 PM
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Buy an RB5 the best UK Impreza by far, and a much more sort after model only 444 ever made..... plus save £6k and spend on mods....
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Theres 2 better uk classic shape Impreza varients that are much better than an RB5 which is essentially a uk turbo with some fancy showy bits.
24 April 2005, 11:05 PM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Like Terry said above .... if the dealer is pushing and demanding an answer - WALK AWAY NOW!!!
Its NOT the kind of Dealer you want to be talking to in my opinion! he is placing pressure on you .........
Remember one VERY important fact, YOU are the boss in this deal, YOU can take your money wherever you wish, HE has to dance to your tune as he can only sell that car to you right at this moment ..... he cannot go elsewhere (and ignore any bollox about 15 buyers in the queue!)
Please, take control of the deal and DEMAND what you want ......
I would sell your car private, get a high street loan and THEN tell him you will give him £15k CASH .... to INCLUDE a SUBARU Warranty! ...........
Do NOT be pressured!
Good luck!
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Its NOT the kind of Dealer you want to be talking to in my opinion! he is placing pressure on you .........
Remember one VERY important fact, YOU are the boss in this deal, YOU can take your money wherever you wish, HE has to dance to your tune as he can only sell that car to you right at this moment ..... he cannot go elsewhere (and ignore any bollox about 15 buyers in the queue!)
Please, take control of the deal and DEMAND what you want ......
I would sell your car private, get a high street loan and THEN tell him you will give him £15k CASH .... to INCLUDE a SUBARU Warranty! ...........
Do NOT be pressured!
Good luck!
Pete
Went back to the dealer. No way was he budging on price but was interesting to hear that these brake upgrades although essential he was prepared to redo the exisitng ones at no xtra cost and when it came to upgrading assured me he would get the best price and do a deal on them. Aside from that he mentioned not to modify the front end of the exhaust without adjusting the ecu as this may cause undue pressure on the pistons...Is this correct?
I was also told that P1s are renoun for lower ends going at 60k? which could be pricey.
Managed to change the warranty to a Subaru one for 12 months and get a free dump valve fitted. Would have preferred cash off. I suppose at the mileage it's done should hold it's value?
24 April 2005, 11:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Ramone
Hi Pete,
Went back to the dealer. No way was he budging on price but was interesting to hear that these brake upgrades although essential he was prepared to redo the exisitng ones at no xtra cost and when it came to upgrading assured me he would get the best price and do a deal on them. Aside from that he mentioned not to modify the front end of the exhaust without adjusting the ecu as this may cause undue pressure on the pistons...Is this correct?
I was also told that P1s are renoun for lower ends going at 60k? which could be pricey.
Managed to change the warranty to a Subaru one for 12 months and get a free dump valve fitted. Would have preferred cash off. I suppose at the mileage it's done should hold it's value?
Went back to the dealer. No way was he budging on price but was interesting to hear that these brake upgrades although essential he was prepared to redo the exisitng ones at no xtra cost and when it came to upgrading assured me he would get the best price and do a deal on them. Aside from that he mentioned not to modify the front end of the exhaust without adjusting the ecu as this may cause undue pressure on the pistons...Is this correct?
I was also told that P1s are renoun for lower ends going at 60k? which could be pricey.
Managed to change the warranty to a Subaru one for 12 months and get a free dump valve fitted. Would have preferred cash off. I suppose at the mileage it's done should hold it's value?
He says he assures you he will get the upgrade at the best price - so get this down in writing before you buy it.
I'd like to know the salesman's understanding regarding decatting and potential problems. Basicaly decatting without a remap of the ECU can cause it to run lean (more oxygen than fuel) and this can lead to detting (short for pre-detonation and this is when the air/fuel mixture combusts before it should do - which can put massive strain on the piston/ conrod and big-end bearings)
As for engine's letting go at 60k miles - bollox. They can let go at any time, yet they may never let go either. Get a knock-link fitted after you buy one and this will give an indication of when the engine is detting (this could be down to poor fuel, hot weather, etc) and if it lights up then you just need to back off the loud pedal.
Just be careful that the salesman is promising things he may never deliver just to get a sale.
Cheers
Terry
24 April 2005, 11:42 PM
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Ramone ............ you are talking like you have done the deal?? 
If you have then fair enough, enjoy your P1 - lots of good advice on here from those that know a thing or two.
I STILL think he is leading you a merry dance, the price is too high and as for 'doing' the brakes ..... he will probably ask the workshop to wire brush the discs. He will NOT do anything half decent as it will cost him!!
Check the Service carefully, see the V5 and contact the old owner, has it had the Cambelt Service and the belt HAS been changed (sometimes people who are selling on the car don't bother with the Cambelt!!)
Be VERY careful!! and get a RAC/AA Inspection or a knowing friend to see it
Don't let your heart rule your head!
Pete
If you have then fair enough, enjoy your P1 - lots of good advice on here from those that know a thing or two.
I STILL think he is leading you a merry dance, the price is too high and as for 'doing' the brakes ..... he will probably ask the workshop to wire brush the discs. He will NOT do anything half decent as it will cost him!!
Check the Service carefully, see the V5 and contact the old owner, has it had the Cambelt Service and the belt HAS been changed (sometimes people who are selling on the car don't bother with the Cambelt!!)
Be VERY careful!! and get a RAC/AA Inspection or a knowing friend to see it
Don't let your heart rule your head!
Pete
24 April 2005, 11:58 PM
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Originally Posted by terryb
When you say he is going to "redo the existing ones" - what do you mean?? Is he going to fit nes pads and discs or will he supply the upgraded caliprers, discs and pads that would be included in the complete upgrade??
He says he assures you he will get the upgrade at the best price - so get this down in writing before you buy it.
I'd like to know the salesman's understanding regarding decatting and potential problems. Basicaly decatting without a remap of the ECU can cause it to run lean (more oxygen than fuel) and this can lead to detting (short for pre-detonation and this is when the air/fuel mixture combusts before it should do - which can put massive strain on the piston/ conrod and big-end bearings)
As for engine's letting go at 60k miles - bollox. They can let go at any time, yet they may never let go either. Get a knock-link fitted after you buy one and this will give an indication of when the engine is detting (this could be down to poor fuel, hot weather, etc) and if it lights up then you just need to back off the loud pedal.
Just be careful that the salesman is promising things he may never deliver just to get a sale.
Cheers
Terry
He says he assures you he will get the upgrade at the best price - so get this down in writing before you buy it.
I'd like to know the salesman's understanding regarding decatting and potential problems. Basicaly decatting without a remap of the ECU can cause it to run lean (more oxygen than fuel) and this can lead to detting (short for pre-detonation and this is when the air/fuel mixture combusts before it should do - which can put massive strain on the piston/ conrod and big-end bearings)
As for engine's letting go at 60k miles - bollox. They can let go at any time, yet they may never let go either. Get a knock-link fitted after you buy one and this will give an indication of when the engine is detting (this could be down to poor fuel, hot weather, etc) and if it lights up then you just need to back off the loud pedal.
Just be careful that the salesman is promising things he may never deliver just to get a sale.
Cheers
Terry
It's my first and probably my last big spend. My gut feeling is the car feels right and I know the dealer's prob overcharging 2k or so, but I think after selling mine privately i'm not gonna get a fantastic deal for cash. This guy won't move for cash anyway.
Regards the brakes..he's gonna reskim the discs and change the pads (only if necessary) but assured that they will be as good as new without the ABS light coming on which is what's currently happening.
The engine issue he said can only happen if the car is badly treated.
The only reason from getting it from a dealer is that it's fully backed (support and all).
Your'e right...get everything in writing. That was the last thing I said to him.
In short.. 6months tax, 12 month Subaru warranty, full service and pre inspection, dump valve supplied & fitted, underside & engine valet + any minor dents removed. Ok a lot of the above should be done anyway but ive tried every angle to reduce the price m8.
25 April 2005, 12:06 AM
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Skimming the discs ISN'T going to make the ABS Light go off!!!
Pre-Inspection?? That the garage you are buying it off?? I would advice an INDEPENDANT inspection!!
You clearly want it and the Dealer has some influence over you - I hope it works out and welcome!!
Pete
Pre-Inspection?? That the garage you are buying it off?? I would advice an INDEPENDANT inspection!!
You clearly want it and the Dealer has some influence over you - I hope it works out and welcome!!
Pete
25 April 2005, 12:09 AM
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Skimming the discs ISN'T going to make the ABS Light go off!!!
Pre-Inspection?? That the garage you are buying it off?? I would advice an INDEPENDANT inspection!!
You clearly want it and the Dealer has some influence over you - I hope it works out and welcome!!
Pete
Pre-Inspection?? That the garage you are buying it off?? I would advice an INDEPENDANT inspection!!
You clearly want it and the Dealer has some influence over you - I hope it works out and welcome!!
Pete
25 April 2005, 12:14 AM
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honestly speaking, if your willing to pay around 18k, id look around for a blob eye sti for that sort of money.
Id rather have P1 over my sti wagon but for the money to be spent id go new age
Id rather have P1 over my sti wagon but for the money to be spent id go new age
25 April 2005, 12:17 AM
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Hmmm. A few of the things youve said should sound alarm bells. A uk subaru dealer is openly talking about de catting, ecu remapping and dump valves? Any one of the three mentioned could be a reason given for IM to nul and void your warranty IMHO.
Can anybody also clear up this scotsguard "warranty"? Ive never heard of it, especially in relation to IM.
ABS warning light coming on? And hes going to "reskim" the brake discs? Why are they warped, do they judder upon heavy braking? If theres nothing wrong with the brakes then reskimming them wont have any performance benefits, and I dont think ive heard of anybody doing this to standard brakes, they would simply be binned and replaced.
The whole reason brakes were mentioned was that for heavy brakers, solid regular sized discs with only 4 pots tend not to be good enough. If youre a regular driver then theres nothing wrong with the standard brakes.
TBH the bloke selling you the car sounds like he doesnt know too much about P1s. P1 engines can go even if they are looked after, anyone that tells you otherwise is talking pony.
If by a subaru warranty hes still going on about scotswhatever, walk away, sell the car privately and go find someone who knows what they are talking about. In any case, IMHO this is what you should be doing anyway. You seem to have tunnel vision about this whole dealer thing, and i think youre suffering from shiney car syndrome. I bet its the first P1 youve seen in relation to buying one and the dealer most nearest to where you live.
Can anybody also clear up this scotsguard "warranty"? Ive never heard of it, especially in relation to IM.
ABS warning light coming on? And hes going to "reskim" the brake discs? Why are they warped, do they judder upon heavy braking? If theres nothing wrong with the brakes then reskimming them wont have any performance benefits, and I dont think ive heard of anybody doing this to standard brakes, they would simply be binned and replaced.
The whole reason brakes were mentioned was that for heavy brakers, solid regular sized discs with only 4 pots tend not to be good enough. If youre a regular driver then theres nothing wrong with the standard brakes.
TBH the bloke selling you the car sounds like he doesnt know too much about P1s. P1 engines can go even if they are looked after, anyone that tells you otherwise is talking pony.
If by a subaru warranty hes still going on about scotswhatever, walk away, sell the car privately and go find someone who knows what they are talking about. In any case, IMHO this is what you should be doing anyway. You seem to have tunnel vision about this whole dealer thing, and i think youre suffering from shiney car syndrome. I bet its the first P1 youve seen in relation to buying one and the dealer most nearest to where you live.
25 April 2005, 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramone
I'll get the exact details as to what he's gonna do and get an independant inspection. Hope that's not gonna be pricey. The Cambelt issue... surley that's not required at such low mileage...22k?
we are talking about a very pricey car here, you are happy to pay £2000 over the odds, yet question £100 for an Inspection to protect your investment???? 
Cambelt Issue is TIME based as well as miles ...... on 4 years the belt should be changed - its part of that service and the Subaru warranty won't pay on any engine claim if its not been done on time!!
You seem very much in the dark about all this, and thats VERY worrying!!
Pete
25 April 2005, 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
Hmmm. A few of the things youve said should sound alarm bells. A uk subaru dealer is openly talking about de catting, ecu remapping and dump valves? Any one of the three mentioned could be a reason given for IM to nul and void your warranty IMHO.
Can anybody also clear up this scotsguard "warranty"? Ive never heard of it, especially in relation to IM.
ABS warning light coming on? And hes going to "reskim" the brake discs? Why are they warped, do they judder upon heavy braking? If theres nothing wrong with the brakes then reskimming them wont have any performance benefits, and I dont think ive heard of anybody doing this to standard brakes, they would simply be binned and replaced.
The whole reason brakes were mentioned was that for heavy brakers, solid regular sized discs with only 4 pots tend not to be good enough. If youre a regular driver then theres nothing wrong with the standard brakes.
TBH the bloke selling you the car sounds like he doesnt know too much about P1s. P1 engines can go even if they are looked after, anyone that tells you otherwise is talking pony.
If by a subaru warranty hes still going on about scotswhatever, walk away, sell the car privately and go find someone who knows what they are talking about. In any case, IMHO this is what you should be doing anyway. You seem to have tunnel vision about this whole dealer thing, and i think youre suffering from shiney car syndrome. I bet its the first P1 youve seen in relation to buying one and the dealer most nearest to where you live.
Can anybody also clear up this scotsguard "warranty"? Ive never heard of it, especially in relation to IM.
ABS warning light coming on? And hes going to "reskim" the brake discs? Why are they warped, do they judder upon heavy braking? If theres nothing wrong with the brakes then reskimming them wont have any performance benefits, and I dont think ive heard of anybody doing this to standard brakes, they would simply be binned and replaced.
The whole reason brakes were mentioned was that for heavy brakers, solid regular sized discs with only 4 pots tend not to be good enough. If youre a regular driver then theres nothing wrong with the standard brakes.
TBH the bloke selling you the car sounds like he doesnt know too much about P1s. P1 engines can go even if they are looked after, anyone that tells you otherwise is talking pony.
If by a subaru warranty hes still going on about scotswhatever, walk away, sell the car privately and go find someone who knows what they are talking about. In any case, IMHO this is what you should be doing anyway. You seem to have tunnel vision about this whole dealer thing, and i think youre suffering from shiney car syndrome. I bet its the first P1 youve seen in relation to buying one and the dealer most nearest to where you live.
25 April 2005, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Ramone
Yes there was slight judder during braking.
On a £18k car you are about to accept re-skimming???????????
WALK AWAY NOW!!!! The Dealer is being a skin-flint and thats NOT good!
Please listen to what you are being adviced on here!!
Pete
25 April 2005, 12:28 AM
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Listen, do yourself a favour. Talk to some of the guys on the P1 web site. Go and look at a few more cars before you commit to anything, at least call several other dealers and ask them what their best offer is. Believe me they will bite your hand off as soon as you say P1 and finance in the same sentance.
These cars are not selling at the moment and its a buyers market. There will be about 60 p1s for sale around the country at the moment, and a small percentage will be the price youre willing to pay, the rest will be cheaper.
These cars are not selling at the moment and its a buyers market. There will be about 60 p1s for sale around the country at the moment, and a small percentage will be the price youre willing to pay, the rest will be cheaper.
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An update on the brake issue. The discs are going to be machined & according to dealer will be A1 with no issues. But I would prefer new ones.
Also cambelt is going to be changed foc and was promised would get that in writing.
Still dubious after speaking with u guys now... some things in life are not easy!
Said i'd get back to him today..
Also cambelt is going to be changed foc and was promised would get that in writing.
Still dubious after speaking with u guys now... some things in life are not easy!
Said i'd get back to him today..
25 April 2005, 01:00 PM
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Ramone, it's easy to buy a P1 - plenty of them for sale
Do NOT accept the discs being slimmed!
I think the cambelt should have been changed anyway!
Its your choice and your money .... I am not alone in advising you against it at the price of £18k ... its £18k!! ... £18k for a 2nd hand car where the dealer says he will skim the discs!!
I am shocked that you are being parted from your money so easily!
Pete
ps. Have you looked and driven ANY other Imprezas?? There are plenty about!
Do NOT accept the discs being slimmed!
I think the cambelt should have been changed anyway!
Its your choice and your money .... I am not alone in advising you against it at the price of £18k ... its £18k!! ... £18k for a 2nd hand car where the dealer says he will skim the discs!!
I am shocked that you are being parted from your money so easily!
Pete
ps. Have you looked and driven ANY other Imprezas?? There are plenty about!
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Ramone, it's easy to buy a P1 - plenty of them for sale
Do NOT accept the discs being slimmed!
I think the cambelt should have been changed anyway!
Its your choice and your money .... I am not alone in advising you against it at the price of £18k ... its £18k!! ... £18k for a 2nd hand car where the dealer says he will skim the discs!!
I am shocked that you are being parted from your money so easily!
Pete
ps. Have you looked and driven ANY other Imprezas?? There are plenty about!
Do NOT accept the discs being slimmed!
I think the cambelt should have been changed anyway!
Its your choice and your money .... I am not alone in advising you against it at the price of £18k ... its £18k!! ... £18k for a 2nd hand car where the dealer says he will skim the discs!!
I am shocked that you are being parted from your money so easily!
Pete
ps. Have you looked and driven ANY other Imprezas?? There are plenty about!
I've decided to take yr advice & not go for it. When I mentioned about the brakes being changed he said he would do it, but as you said pricey..
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I don't know owt about P1s, but I reckon I know enough to spot a dealer who perhaps hasn't quite your best interests at heart.
It's very easy to get carried away with all the shiny metal (I did with my last car) but remember - YOU are giving THEM money. You hold all the cards - if a dealer gives you flannel, find another one.
It's very easy to get carried away with all the shiny metal (I did with my last car) but remember - YOU are giving THEM money. You hold all the cards - if a dealer gives you flannel, find another one.
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Originally Posted by Ramone
Hi Pete,
I've decided to take yr advice & not go for it...
I've decided to take yr advice & not go for it...
All I would say is, be prepared to travel for the right car. If you see one that looks like its right, speak to the dealer, tell them that you will be travelling a long distance and hence need them to be straight up and tell you if its MINT (it should be for that kind of money) IE NO marks on the exterior and interior and ask for the service history/warranty details etc. Be cheeky and tell them if its not as they describe it, you will expect them to refund your travelling costs - put THEIR money where their mouth is! Tell them as much as possible about the trade in and tell them what you'd need for it, they'll be able to tell you whether or not they could do the deal assuming the car (yours) is what you say it is. And off you go. At the end of the day, whats a tank of petrol compared to £18,500's worth of happy motoring?
Start by having a look HERE all the P1's that the Subaru dealer network are selling
Good luck
Jeff
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Hi Pete,
I've decided to take yr advice & not go for it. When I mentioned about the brakes being changed he said he would do it, but as you said pricey..
I've decided to take yr advice & not go for it. When I mentioned about the brakes being changed he said he would do it, but as you said pricey..
Good luck, I will try not to **** on your fire next time!!
Pete
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Hey guys....I work with Ramone...(nice but dim...only joking).
I know the dealer and the salesman he is referring to as I bought my Uk turbo my99 fromhim last september. He is actually the owner and about 75 yrs old..lol, nice guy and was very helpful when I bought mine but I did say to Ramone that it was a bit of a risk at that price.
Keep looking mate and the right one will appear eventually
I know the dealer and the salesman he is referring to as I bought my Uk turbo my99 fromhim last september. He is actually the owner and about 75 yrs old..lol, nice guy and was very helpful when I bought mine but I did say to Ramone that it was a bit of a risk at that price.
Keep looking mate and the right one will appear eventually
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must admit im a p1 owner and would love to imagine my cars worth 18k but..............in the real world.i know it aint,and mine i like to think is very clean
and only 16k from main dealer 2 years ago.major service included and new front and rear pads and discs thrown in.plus ,as said ,there is plenty to choose from at moment.good luck hunting mate , pete.
and only 16k from main dealer 2 years ago.major service included and new front and rear pads and discs thrown in.plus ,as said ,there is plenty to choose from at moment.good luck hunting mate , pete.
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Good choice matey.
Keep your eye out for a P1 though with the big brake set up and any other niceties as previously discussed. Don't worry about buying privaye if you can sell your car privately. Have you advertised it on here???
I am a bit biased as I own one - but I'd say you can't buy much better than a P1 for the money - new age cars are obviously newer but they are lardy and don't look as special as a P1 - plus they wouldn't be as quick
Stick to your guns - keep looking for a P1 and you'll be a happy owner 1 day soon.
Cheers
Terry
Good choice matey.
Keep your eye out for a P1 though with the big brake set up and any other niceties as previously discussed. Don't worry about buying privaye if you can sell your car privately. Have you advertised it on here???
I am a bit biased as I own one - but I'd say you can't buy much better than a P1 for the money - new age cars are obviously newer but they are lardy and don't look as special as a P1 - plus they wouldn't be as quick
Stick to your guns - keep looking for a P1 and you'll be a happy owner 1 day soon.
Cheers
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I'll keep an eye out guys. Haven't thrown in the towel yet. Thanks very much to all the helpfull advice...something which I feel is rare these days...Who knows 1 when I own one and come along to one of the meetings it'll be good to put some faces to the names.
Thanks again!
Thanks again!
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