slim_boy_fat

PMSL your words not mine....

imi

dont think youre with stupid...i think YOU are

Cosworth427

My opinion, without any bias, just get a good late model ZX and save a packet. A (JDM 1999 model) face lift completely transforms the look of the car, add some aftermarket wheels and the Supra suddenly looks obnoxious and resemble many of their owners.

Look after the car, keep oil & filter changes regular, don't thrash when cold and the car will last. 9/10 people who whine about stuff breaking are over grown boy-racers who think maintenence is getting their intake pipes polished.

Everyone "talks" about how reliable Toyota's are, but the fact remains that most OWNERs are always looking for spares and complaining about boost leaks, especially the older Supras. Give the later models some time, and that myth about 2jz invicibility goes out the window.

Performance and power-wise, both cars can exploit their turbochargers well if tuning is good, that means the more expensive and more "classy" supra won't beat a ZX of equal power. Check out reputable dyno runs from Thor etc, there is only 5-10 hp difference between the cars.

eldudereno

What a load of bollocks!

Baggers

I seriously looked at 300s before buying my scoob, lots of reading showed that 94> cars had much stronger gearboxes and some key changes made to the engines to increase reliability. I personally prefer the look of the 300 to the tt.

Muffleman

Seconded, aswell as my 10year old Supra, I have a modified MR2 Turbo that is now 15 years old. Neither have missed a beat, failed an MOT or let me down.

I sort of hear what you're saying mate, there are a few more NA's about now at reasonable prices so you see more of them. But for me, I spent £15k on a car with 37k on the clock, the car has done a 12.08 quarter mile on 1bar boost, the top comes off, it has leather, it's comfy, won't depreciate much, extremely reliable, it stops people dead in their tracks and gets loads of admiration, will top 180mph - what more do you want ?

I chose one with the big, silly Veilside bodykit and TRD bonnet as I lusted after it when it first came out, but that's my choice.

Cosworth427

I said most, not all. I am a Toyota owner myself.

Cosworth427

Oh, you're right, there are no such thing as leaking intercooler pipes, split 12 year old hoses or front oil seals from popping out from the invicible 2JZ. If it hasn't happened to you then it surely can't happen to anyone.

Yet because the ZX's parts tend to wear out after 15 long years, the car is a unreliable POS.

Where's the bollocks now?

Senior_AP

With age becomes decreased reliability. Not cos the car is crap, simply cos stuff wears out.

Innit.

DodgeT

just have to see what pay rise time (any time bl00dy now!!) brings to see what budget will allow, if its big enough, think i'll have me a look at some sup's.

imi, thats a nice motor, nice and plain.

muffles nice, but a bit too fancy for me, still a nice car

cheers guys

buzzard

Dodge,
maybe having a look at supra and 300zx forums will highlight the troublesome areas of each car so that you can then make your own mind up with regard to repair/maintenance costs etc.,without opinions offered here or elsewhere.

ive heard it said how bulletproof the subaru is, but although im now on my fifth one i very much disagree but its just an opinion!!

good luck in your choice.

imi

Thx DodgeT

Good luck with the search....try out both, go for the one that suits your driving and your requirements.

there isnt much room in the supra from a storage point of view, for me thats not a problem.

slim_boy_fat

No question your car is a peach and does everything you want in a car, for me the Porsche just has something extra (pedigree/heritage) whatever you want to call it. Its also a very quick car and can be pretty easily modded to give >400bhp (probably too much for a road car IMHO) On the road the car is subtle but has real presence at the same time.
If it wasnt for a new addition to the family in Sept it would NOT be getting sold!!!!

Cheers

imi

SUPRA is

VERY RARE
Iconic status thx to Getaway in Stockholm (was going to say FATF- but i hated that movie)
REAL street presense - JAP SUPERCAR
NOT a Dandy's car - Dandy's are badge snobs and wouldnt go for JAP cars
Doesnt look like a soap dish - unlike some german manufacturers
Has an ****
Easily pushes 400bhp with very basic BPU mods

Interior plastics are crap quality but the dash layout and cockpit is perfectly designed for the driver - best to check out the supra and nissan 300 forums and have a look at some @ JAPFEST

Another pic for JAP car Admirers

Branners

probably worth asking the question again, have you owned and driven both cars?

I have a 1993 Supra with 130,000 on the clock, still running well, recently fitted a single turbo and nothing has fallen out or blown off. I also ran an import supra running twice the stock boost and it blew the front oil seal once. Try running a 300zx at twice the recommended boost and see whats left in the engine bay afterwards.

Try talking from a position of knowledge and not one of stupidity. You know nothing about mkiv Supra reliability.

JB

Cosworth427

Perhaps because during the time you fitted your mighty turbo, you had the chance to do preventive maintenence and have a good eye for any tell tale problems. "It never let me down, supra's are invicible" - you all say.

Then there are is a 15 year old 300 zx's with unknown driving history, drive it for a month and something goes wrong. If you're a twit, give it a week and it would probably die. People then say ALL 300zx's are unreliable.

There's a difference between the 2 scenarios.

So what was you just lecturing me about then again, Master UK supra?

MattN

well I get my 1994 300zx next weekend.

It's not a TT model just a 3.0 na but is a manual.

J4CK50N

Hiya mate

May sound like a stupid question but have you taken into consideration the running costs of the two cars. I cant speak for a 300ZX coz I dont own one, but the Supra TT that I have is a bit of a thirsty bugger - goes through more alcohol that George Best in his heyday!!!

But the petrol aside(and you dont buy a Supra if you are worried about petrol1 ), I have found the Supra to be a great car, in the time I have had it.

Heres a pic of mine for ya!

buzzard

BRANNERS...
my modified 300 WAS at twice the stock boost......for 2 years,sold it and its still doing the business AND it was a '90 AND with a "certain" amount of ig advance. Bloody good if you ask me considering it all stayed inside the engine bay.

ScoobyJawa

300 looks sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo dated next to the MKIV.

And how many 300 1000bhp monsters do you know of compared to supra's

mike_330

hey dodge,

I think the time is fast approaching by the looks of it

the supra is the one really, only a few more grand, its got to be done

pete1977

its got to be a supra.ive seen heavily modded 300,s but compared to a heavily modded supra they seem sloooow!the 300 looks a bit dated now but the supra still looks fantastic.you could always do this to your supra , http://100psi.com/marko-845.wmv now how many 300,s have you seen do that?

pete1977

heres inside the car http://www.100psi.com/marko-845-incar.wmv

Branners

pretty impressive, my boost was done on stock turbos, stock fueling, stock ECU and stock timing so basically a normal car with about £3k worth of mods. What sort of level was the 300 modified to? I also got a 12.9 1/4 mile so I used it pretty hard.

JB

buzzard

branners..
i never found out exactly what had been done to car as it had been modified before i got it. se nissan had done a lot of work on it with receipts heading for 8grand but when i asked them for details of work done they couldnt access the details as their computer system had crashed!!! bummer. from what i could gather the crank had been worked on.knife-edged? cos it revved up quicker than the standard jap one i had at the same time so it was easy to do comparisons. turbos were stock garrets but had been rebuilt..roller bearings??different wheels? previous owner had given the car to senissan and told them to upgrade the power but he wasnt sure what they did to it. but the torque from the car was amazing. at 150mph if you floored it youd be planted back in the seat. boost was 17psi and came on with little or no lag. k&n filters and 3" stainless turbo back. rev limit was 6k2 which i found low so perhaps ecu had been remapped with a bit of "safety" added. all a bit of a mystery that car but god did it go. wheels would spin in 3rd in a straight line and they were 18's with 275 bridgestone so2's.

Alex B

As has been suggested, have a drive of both see what you prefer, the zx is probably cheaper because it's so much older, it also lacks the amount of publicity the supra has had. You get a hell of a lot of car for your money!

If I had to make this decision, I'd go zx anyday!

One thing I will say with regards to the zx, check the wiring loom, as the engine is so tight in the engine bay and get s so hot, the wiring loom in the engine bay tends to get brittle with age.

One last word of warning, don't go on either the supra or zx owners sites asking pros and cons of either, theres a long running feud between clubs! (don't know why and never been brave enough to ask!)

Alex B

imi

Check out the wiring loom on the Supra as well, being Coil Packs the connectors get brittle as well due to the heat in the Engine compartment.

Not sure what Alex is on about when he talks about the feud between Supra & ZX owners.....They are cars FFS......were not part of a cult...

Alex B

I'm just saying whats been said on the 300zx club site, I own a Skyline but use all different forums.

One thread was locked recently because of an argument started by comparing the zx to a supra.

Alex B

imi

ok...dont tar us all with the same brush then....cause on mkivsupra.net I dont remember seeing any such thread.

Alex B

Well I apologise if I offended you, but I was only saying what had been said on the zed club site, obviously they were wrong. I just did a search on the supra site and they seem to like zx's.

Sorry again.
Alex B