anyone know much about birds?
12 May 2005, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by ajm
Yay!!! There is it is, the classic cat nutter's diversion to dogs again!!! 
The B2Z technique for debate on the internet --->
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12 May 2005, 03:29 PM
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No ajm I was responding to ademid's comparison of a dog jumping up at a car and a cat doing the same. Not a diversion, merely a response to his post about dogs scratching cars.
As for your gif, thats exactly how you come across to any explanation put forward about cats not being locked up in doors.
As for your gif, thats exactly how you come across to any explanation put forward about cats not being locked up in doors.
What about the Weasels?
12 May 2005, 05:11 PM
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They are a pain in the ****.
We have two neighbours in our street and they kick their cats out regardless both catching a form of cat aids so they throw up in most of the neighbours properties and public footpaths. So the moral is chuck them down the side of snowdon.
12 May 2005, 08:18 PM
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Hello whats going on here then ????
Has a cat done somthing wrong ? Naaa it's always that cats fault isn't it !
No
I have Found this on the web IT'S NOT ALL THE CATS FAULT!!!!!!!!!
MOTORISTS passing the remains of squashed wildlife are being urged to report their findings to Britain's first comprehensive nation-wide survey of animal road deaths. The year-long Mammal Society study, which started last week, will rely on volunteers reporting remains to help to discover what conditions account for the largest number of roadside casualties. Researchers hope that the results will be used to cut the death toll inflicted on British wildlife by road traffic. Hedgehogs, with their well-known lack of road sense, are killed in their thousands, although the exact numbers are unknown. It is also believed that 50 000 badgers, 100 000 foxes and at least 10 million birds become casualties every year. Lincoln Garland, a researcher based at Bristol University, is in charge of the survey. He said yesterday: "There really are huge numbers of animals being killed on the roads. The impact of hunting pales into insignificance when you compare it with how many die on the roads. "For some species where the population is low already the numbers killed on roads is particularly worrying." Highways Agency workers have agreed to help to record the toll on motorways and trunk roads where it would be too dangerous for other drivers to stop and examine dead animals. On lesser roads volunteers will be asked to stop and fill in a form when they spot dead mammals or birds of prey. Mr Garland said: "They will be asked to tick boxes on things like the surrounding habitat and whether it was on a bend. It shouldn't take too long. Animal road deaths tend to be concentrated in certain locations. We are hoping to find some sort of pattern to identify why animals are being killed in these concentrations. We also hope to get a better idea of the numbers of animals being killed. Everyone talks about the effects on hedgehogs. Some people do suspect that the numbers are declining but, as yet, we don't know exactly what the impact is." Anxiety about wildlife road deaths has spawned an array of devices designed to protect animals crossing the road. Hedgehog-lovers have been encouraged to adorn the front of their cars with devices that emit a high-pitched warning noise. Some areas with high otter populations have installed red light reflectors originally designed in Australia to help kangaroos to cross roads safely. The red triangles reflect light from the head-lamps of oncoming cars into the undergrowth and scare the animals away before they start to cross. Mr Garland hopes his survey will prompt more protective measures. He is particularly keen to find out how best to help the endangered barn owl (Tyto alba). Previous studies of the barn owl have suggested that as many as 5 000 are killed on the roads every year. Mr Garland said "Some local studies suggest that barn owls are killed in phenomenal numbers on relatively short sections of road. "With barn owls and other birds of prey, the problem might be that they follow hedgerows beside raised sections of road, so if they drift over they are too low to avoid cars or lorries. If that is the case, it might be possible to plant trees or shrubs to make them fly higher." Mr Garland is also keen to find ways to stop so many badgers being killed on the roads. "The problem with badgers is that they are so stuck in their ways," he said. "Once they have got a traditional route they like to stick to it. They will sometimes avoid badger tunnels, and use their great strength to rip up fencing. Then they will continue on their old route, even if it goes over a motorway. "Perhaps 50 000 badgers die on the roads every year, from a population of, very roughly, 300 000 to 400 000. We suspect that badgers can somehow maintain reasonable numbers even though a considerable proportion of them get killed every year." Foxes are also frequent casualties. Probably the most notable was Felix, the Downing Street fox, thought to have met his end in a collision with a car in the Mall near Buckingham Palace earlier this year. Mr Garland said: "Vehicles probably kill more foxes than anything else. Hunting accounts for about 10 000 a year nation-wide,. but in a way that's an insignificant number. We think about 100 000 foxes are killed on the roads every year."
So it will be cats driving cars next then
Well now it's us motorist that kill more than anything else!!
So all us drivers should be rounded up and shot then, for killing the wildlife !!!
And before you say anything were responsible cat owners they are neutered and spayed and the have liberator collars
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12 May 2005, 08:30 PM
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wont quote its too long but,many if not most vehicle journeys are essential(given the price of juice at the mo)
its not essential to kick the cat out to hunt,fight,yowl,fvck,**** and vandalise 22 hrs a day
its the responsible cat owners i have no problem with-dunno bout ajm tho
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its not essential to kick the cat out to hunt,fight,yowl,fvck,**** and vandalise 22 hrs a day
its the responsible cat owners i have no problem with-dunno bout ajm tho
richie
12 May 2005, 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Huxley
And before you say anything were responsible cat owners they are neutered and spayed and the have liberator collars[/color]
12 May 2005, 10:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Mark_S
And why is it some people feel the need to have two or three cats at a time, birds dont have a chance
fair point...its a pity that cant evolve some way of avoiding cats....i dunno...call me wacky...but how much better of would they be if they had.........wait for it.........buckle up........WINGS!!!!
13 May 2005, 07:30 AM
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Keep finding bunches of feathers on our lawn, not our cat though it doesnt go out, must be next doors. Sad, but if your a worm then birds are not much fun either.....
13 May 2005, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Could someone list the methods of controlling a cat which are not cruel because of its own nature and normal way of life.
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From the tone of your question I am guessing you are suggesting this is cruel, yet there seem to be a few members on here who do just that and their cats are fine. Remember, life indoors and being walked on a lead is hardly natural for a dog either, yet less people will laugh at this simply because it is already an established practice.
If it was ever shown that the cats were suffering because of this arrangement then I would contend the suitability of them as a pet at all!
13 May 2005, 08:17 AM
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Originally Posted by ajm
Since you have chosen to bring me into this... do I wind you up? If so, good. Because people like you wind me up for releasing non indigenous predators into the wild because of your own selfish need to have an occasional pet.
At least do us the courtesy of admitting that the only reason your cat is out there killing wildlife is because YOU decided you wanted a furry pet that you could put on your lap in the evening and then boot outside to look after itself when you have better things to do.
The moral burden lies with YOU the owner. You must take responsibility for the damage your pet does. You can't just offload it onto the cat with a "oh well that's what they do"!
The fact that it is legal doesn't excuse you from your moral obligations either. It is illegal to release mink into the wild because of the damage they do to wildlife, the fact that cats are legal is a ridiculous loophole in the law and the sooner something is done about it the better!
At least do us the courtesy of admitting that the only reason your cat is out there killing wildlife is because YOU decided you wanted a furry pet that you could put on your lap in the evening and then boot outside to look after itself when you have better things to do.
The moral burden lies with YOU the owner. You must take responsibility for the damage your pet does. You can't just offload it onto the cat with a "oh well that's what they do"!
The fact that it is legal doesn't excuse you from your moral obligations either. It is illegal to release mink into the wild because of the damage they do to wildlife, the fact that cats are legal is a ridiculous loophole in the law and the sooner something is done about it the better!
You reek of hyprocrisy at times. You don't care about preserving wildlife at all, it's just the hang-up and hatred you have for cats.
13 May 2005, 09:22 AM
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LOL at walking a cat on a lead, this is where you show your total lack of knowledge on how to keep cats. I suggest you try walking a cat on a lead, i've tried it once and it wasn't a pleasant experience, to say it brought out the cats wild side is an understatement
13 May 2005, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
LOL at walking a cat on a lead, this is where you show your total lack of knowledge on how to keep cats. I suggest you try walking a cat on a lead, i've tried it once and it wasn't a pleasant experience, to say it brought out the cats wild side is an understatement
if you can get a ferret to walk on a lead then anything is possiblerichie
13 May 2005, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
Just remind us all again Alex what your favourite pastime is... shooting isn't it and not clay pigeons either?
You reek of hyprocrisy at times. You don't care about preserving wildlife at all, it's just the hang-up and hatred you have for cats.
You reek of hyprocrisy at times. You don't care about preserving wildlife at all, it's just the hang-up and hatred you have for cats.
Firstly, FYI, my primary sport *is* clay pigeon shooting. Secondly, shooting sports do not harm local ecology, in fact they PROMOTE local ecology.
This isn't about the morality of killing animals, it is about taking responsibility for releasing a predator that *indiscriminately* kills wildlife. That harms the ecology.
13 May 2005, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
LOL at walking a cat on a lead, this is where you show your total lack of knowledge on how to keep cats. I suggest you try walking a cat on a lead, i've tried it once and it wasn't a pleasant experience, to say it brought out the cats wild side is an understatement
Yes it looks comical, but only because we are not used to seeing it.
13 May 2005, 10:05 AM
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Your view on this would be appreciated then... bearing in mind that I am not a cat owner any longer.
My next door neighbour has 2 dovecots, currently about 20 + doves. The neigbours don't have trees in their garden, I do, so therefore my garden is always full of doves. These doves shít all over the patio and my washing. Hawks circle above my garden all the time, waiting to catch a dove.
Do my neighbours have a moral obligation to keep their doves under control?
Edited to add: Cats don't shít on you from a great height either.
My next door neighbour has 2 dovecots, currently about 20 + doves. The neigbours don't have trees in their garden, I do, so therefore my garden is always full of doves. These doves shít all over the patio and my washing. Hawks circle above my garden all the time, waiting to catch a dove.
Do my neighbours have a moral obligation to keep their doves under control?
Edited to add: Cats don't shít on you from a great height either.
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13 May 2005, 10:24 AM
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Your view on this would be appreciated then... bearing in mind that I am not a cat owner any longer.
My next door neighbour has 2 dovecots, currently about 20 + doves. The neigbours don't have trees in their garden, I do, so therefore my garden is always full of doves. These doves shít all over the patio and my washing. Hawks circle above my garden all the time, waiting to catch a dove.
Do my neighbours have a moral obligation to keep their doves under control?
My next door neighbour has 2 dovecots, currently about 20 + doves. The neigbours don't have trees in their garden, I do, so therefore my garden is always full of doves. These doves shít all over the patio and my washing. Hawks circle above my garden all the time, waiting to catch a dove.
Do my neighbours have a moral obligation to keep their doves under control?
Alternatively a scaring device or anything that sounds remotely like a air rifle - strange, you can wave your arms, shout, shake the trees, they won't budge....But they KNOW what a gun sounds like (must be passed on genetically)
I have a problem with pigeons, and typically, the only thing the cats don't bother hunting is the pidgeons....worst of both worlds
:Training the hawks might be a good plan
- I had a mate that had an owl that used to prey on schoolchildren
13 May 2005, 10:24 AM
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Edited to add: Cats don't shít on you from a great height either.
I consider myself a responsible cat owner. Both my cats have bells on their collars, they are not allowed out at night, they are well fed and much loved but even so, one of them still manages to catch the odd bird (one or two a year). It is in their nature!
13 May 2005, 10:30 AM
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You have a right to complain.
Alternatively a scaring device or anything that sounds remotely like a air rifle -
Alternatively a scaring device or anything that sounds remotely like a air rifle -
I wouldn't have the problem with the doves if I still had my cat, so cats do have their uses.
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13 May 2005, 10:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Redkop
Your view on this would be appreciated then... bearing in mind that I am not a cat owner any longer.
My next door neighbour has 2 dovecots, currently about 20 + doves. The neigbours don't have trees in their garden, I do, so therefore my garden is always full of doves. These doves shít all over the patio and my washing. Hawks circle above my garden all the time, waiting to catch a dove.
Do my neighbours have a moral obligation to keep their doves under control?
Edited to add: Cats don't shít on you from a great height either.
My next door neighbour has 2 dovecots, currently about 20 + doves. The neigbours don't have trees in their garden, I do, so therefore my garden is always full of doves. These doves shít all over the patio and my washing. Hawks circle above my garden all the time, waiting to catch a dove.
Do my neighbours have a moral obligation to keep their doves under control?
Edited to add: Cats don't shít on you from a great height either.
Sounds good for the birds of prey though!
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Well I would not like to confine a cat indoors. As you thought correctly ajm I would feel that is unfair since its nature is not to live inside a house. I have seen cats kept like that and they still showed that they would give their right paw to get out of the house.
I certainly don't like to think of cats killing indiscriminately, just like foxes really, but it really is just part of their natural instinct just like any other predator in the world, including man of course.
I get pleasure from seeing all sorts of wildlife and domesticated animals as well of course. I have to say of course that I do like cats and therefore will have some bias in that respect. I think that overall, the pleasure that so many get from owning a cat balances the down side of their nature.
Nothing is perfect and in a non domesticated world, slaughter would be rife!
Les
I certainly don't like to think of cats killing indiscriminately, just like foxes really, but it really is just part of their natural instinct just like any other predator in the world, including man of course.
I get pleasure from seeing all sorts of wildlife and domesticated animals as well of course. I have to say of course that I do like cats and therefore will have some bias in that respect. I think that overall, the pleasure that so many get from owning a cat balances the down side of their nature.
Nothing is perfect and in a non domesticated world, slaughter would be rife!
Les
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