The lost art of overtaking????
14 May 2005, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Jonty
but I thought that if you were being overtaken then you had to give way to the approaching vehicle(s) behind you, i.e. back off the gas so you can be passed easily and the other vehicle pull in if need be..?
Drop back to maintain a two-second gap if someone overtakes and pulls into the gap in front of you.
DO NOT overtake where you might come into conflict with other road users. For example
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when you would force another vehicle to swerve or slow down
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when you would force another vehicle to swerve or slow down
But it IS against the code to deliberately close an existing gap:
Speeding up or driving unpredictably while someone is overtaking you is dangerous.
If anyone can find anything that says people should let you in, I'd be interested. And very surprised.
My personal best is a rather poor five vehicles overtaken at once BTW.
M
14 May 2005, 12:11 PM
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Originally Posted by _Meridian_
You're the second person who has quoted this, and I still can't find any such thing. The closest I have seen is:
But note that means AFTER they have pulled into an existing gap, they are under no obligation to create a gap - especially as it says:
(my italics).
But it IS against the code to deliberately close an existing gap:
All quotes are from the site here.
If anyone can find anything that says people should let you in, I'd be interested. And very surprised.
My personal best is a rather poor five vehicles overtaken at once BTW.
M
But note that means AFTER they have pulled into an existing gap, they are under no obligation to create a gap - especially as it says:
(my italics).
But it IS against the code to deliberately close an existing gap:
All quotes are from the site here.
If anyone can find anything that says people should let you in, I'd be interested. And very surprised.
My personal best is a rather poor five vehicles overtaken at once BTW.
M
you could walk further in 2 seconds than some people seem to leave behind the car in front...Mick
14 May 2005, 01:40 PM
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If everyone drove the correct distance apart (2 second rule) instead of inches apart then you wouldn't need to force your way in front of them,you'd just slot in nicely.
And if they were being held up that much by a slower driver then why not overtake instead of tailgating? Surely thats a safer solution than hitting them up the back when they have to jump on the brakes for whatever reason??
Hang on.... i've just realised i've typed a complete load of common sense
Shame there are a growing number of people around today that think whatever they do is someone else's fault and aren't prepared to take responsibility for their own actions and maybe admit they could have been wrong. I know i am from time to time,human nature isn't it?
Or has everyone else became perfect and left me behind
And if they were being held up that much by a slower driver then why not overtake instead of tailgating? Surely thats a safer solution than hitting them up the back when they have to jump on the brakes for whatever reason??
Hang on.... i've just realised i've typed a complete load of common sense
Shame there are a growing number of people around today that think whatever they do is someone else's fault and aren't prepared to take responsibility for their own actions and maybe admit they could have been wrong. I know i am from time to time,human nature isn't it?Or has everyone else became perfect and left me behind
14 May 2005, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by RB5 Paul
Shame there are a growing number of people around today that think whatever they do is someone else's fault and aren't prepared to take responsibility for their own actions and maybe admit they could have been wrong. I know i am from time to time,human nature isn't it?
I too am not perfect (funny that) and if I mess up then I take whatever hand gestures are offered without retaliation. I'm responsible for my own actions and if I do the crime I do the time.
Personally I would vote for 10 year re-testing. That'll rid the roads of some real idiots.
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31 May 2005, 02:54 PM
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If this thread was ever apt, it was on Saturday. I was off to Wales for the day with my MTB.
The last leg of my route is the A44 from Llangurig to the Nant-yr-Arian [forest] turning, so I'd estimate about 20 miles. I caught up with a traffic queue of something like 30 to 40 cars behind two caravans. At times the road is twisty and blind but there's some nice straights and a cracking open hairpin you can pass people on.
In those 20 miles, not one person in the queue other than me made any attempt to overtake. Most of the cars were driving so close together, overtakes were either no cars or four cars.
I guess everyone is happy taking all day to get somewhere at 30mph...
The last leg of my route is the A44 from Llangurig to the Nant-yr-Arian [forest] turning, so I'd estimate about 20 miles. I caught up with a traffic queue of something like 30 to 40 cars behind two caravans. At times the road is twisty and blind but there's some nice straights and a cracking open hairpin you can pass people on.
In those 20 miles, not one person in the queue other than me made any attempt to overtake. Most of the cars were driving so close together, overtakes were either no cars or four cars.
I guess everyone is happy taking all day to get somewhere at 30mph...
31 May 2005, 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisB
If this thread was ever apt, it was on Saturday. I was off to Wales for the day with my MTB.
The last leg of my route is the A44 from Llangurig to the Nant-yr-Arian [forest] turning, so I'd estimate about 20 miles. I caught up with a traffic queue of something like 30 to 40 cars behind two caravans. At times the road is twisty and blind but there's some nice straights and a cracking open hairpin you can pass people on.
In those 20 miles, not one person in the queue other than me made any attempt to overtake. Most of the cars were driving so close together, overtakes were either no cars or four cars.
I guess everyone is happy taking all day to get somewhere at 30mph...
The last leg of my route is the A44 from Llangurig to the Nant-yr-Arian [forest] turning, so I'd estimate about 20 miles. I caught up with a traffic queue of something like 30 to 40 cars behind two caravans. At times the road is twisty and blind but there's some nice straights and a cracking open hairpin you can pass people on.
In those 20 miles, not one person in the queue other than me made any attempt to overtake. Most of the cars were driving so close together, overtakes were either no cars or four cars.
I guess everyone is happy taking all day to get somewhere at 30mph...
If they were that happy you'd think that they would sit a bit further back from the car in front
I enjoyed the flashing tosser hand motion saturday afternoon myself
I overtook a car doing 30 mph in a 60 zone,straight bit of road for about half a mile with a slight left hander at the end of it,as i was pulling back in after overtaking i was travelling at around 55mph so not even "speeding",and this silver picasso comes round the corner in the distance towards me,starts flashing his lights like mad and once i was close enough to him he's going mental giving it the hand shakey tosser signal,i thought what a lovely chap and smiled and waved
I wonder if this bloke does that to people whilst walking up the street,random people walking towards him on his side of the pavement 200 metres or so in the distance
What a strange bloke
31 May 2005, 06:05 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisB
If this thread was ever apt, it was on Saturday. I was off to Wales for the day with my MTB.
The last leg of my route is the A44 from Llangurig to the Nant-yr-Arian [forest] turning, so I'd estimate about 20 miles. I caught up with a traffic queue of something like 30 to 40 cars behind two caravans. At times the road is twisty and blind but there's some nice straights and a cracking open hairpin you can pass people on.
In those 20 miles, not one person in the queue other than me made any attempt to overtake. Most of the cars were driving so close together, overtakes were either no cars or four cars.
I guess everyone is happy taking all day to get somewhere at 30mph...
The last leg of my route is the A44 from Llangurig to the Nant-yr-Arian [forest] turning, so I'd estimate about 20 miles. I caught up with a traffic queue of something like 30 to 40 cars behind two caravans. At times the road is twisty and blind but there's some nice straights and a cracking open hairpin you can pass people on.
In those 20 miles, not one person in the queue other than me made any attempt to overtake. Most of the cars were driving so close together, overtakes were either no cars or four cars.
I guess everyone is happy taking all day to get somewhere at 30mph...
Sunday for me, driving back from Innerleithen with my MTB, towards Newcastle.
People seemed surprised that my car (also a TDI tractor) would have the effrontery to overtake, but the choice was to sit behind a caravan/coach/numpty and take 4 hours, or use my brain, do some sensible overtaking, and lop over an hour from this time. Averaged 64mph/41mpg, which I think isn't bad.
People were pretty cooperative, to be fair, but only one other driver was overtaking, which seemed daft. Strangely enough, he too had a derv-mobile......
31 May 2005, 06:23 PM
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I know that the IAM teach the "2 second rule" and that it is a very good and useful guide. However at 60 and 70mph I'm told that to allow for braking distances not increasing in a totally linear manner with speed you should leave 3 and 4 seconds respectively.
Having experimented with this it feels like a reasonable statement though on a busy motorway is likely to be difficult to maintain. It does, however, leave lots of space for anyone overtaking and should you wish to overtake then it is a simple matter to anticipate the opening and close the gap.
Leaving a slightly larger gap when you are not intending to overtake also allows the gap to take up the slack of those drivers who accelerated and brake all the time because they lack the wit or ability to drive in a steady manner that anticipates road conditions. This means you can drive in a nice steady manner even if they can't.
Having experimented with this it feels like a reasonable statement though on a busy motorway is likely to be difficult to maintain. It does, however, leave lots of space for anyone overtaking and should you wish to overtake then it is a simple matter to anticipate the opening and close the gap.
Leaving a slightly larger gap when you are not intending to overtake also allows the gap to take up the slack of those drivers who accelerated and brake all the time because they lack the wit or ability to drive in a steady manner that anticipates road conditions. This means you can drive in a nice steady manner even if they can't.
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