Some more "banning" to get your teeth into
#31
If they don't put the hoods over their heads, there should not be a problem. Until they decide to start one! Thats when they would put the hoods up of course.
A good kick in the "fergiblers" should slow them down a bit.
Les
A good kick in the "fergiblers" should slow them down a bit.
Les
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
As I recall, the Fat, two-Jagged **** was defending himself against an assault... an activity championed by many a user on this forum.
He was; but my, then 7 year old, daughter had a better jab on her!
#35
Originally Posted by ALi-B
It's a good idea.
The use of hooded tops and baseball caps by criminals is purely to help prevent personal identification by witnesses, police and CCTV. Almost every reported thefts/muggings I have read of locally involves the criminals wearing hoods and baseball caps.
Similarly - the rule that are used by most banks which don't allow bikers to wear helmets already exists for the same reason.
Obviously, if there were police on the streets and they responded to "non-serious" calls then they wouldn't need to rely so heavily on CCTV footage or witnesses for identification
The use of hooded tops and baseball caps by criminals is purely to help prevent personal identification by witnesses, police and CCTV. Almost every reported thefts/muggings I have read of locally involves the criminals wearing hoods and baseball caps.
Similarly - the rule that are used by most banks which don't allow bikers to wear helmets already exists for the same reason.
Obviously, if there were police on the streets and they responded to "non-serious" calls then they wouldn't need to rely so heavily on CCTV footage or witnesses for identification
Having police nearby will only resolve the issue if they're REALLY close, and short of having a 1:1 ratio of police:civilians, that's not going to happen. People knowing that they're being watched is far more likely to prevent crime than the remote possibility that a policeman will be standing there in the shadows, ready to grab you.
Anything which aids that identification has to be a good thing.
#36
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OK, so lets say headgear being banned is a good thing. Someone gets attacked by a group of yobs, and they are caught on camera without head gear.
Cops know who they are, but as they are all 15 they cant be locked up. Quick slap on the wrist and off they go. Being able to see their faces doesnt really address the real issues in the first place:
1. Our justice system is too soft on criminals
2. Groups of teens causing trouble.
Address those 2 issues and there would be no need to ban any clothing.
Cops know who they are, but as they are all 15 they cant be locked up. Quick slap on the wrist and off they go. Being able to see their faces doesnt really address the real issues in the first place:
1. Our justice system is too soft on criminals
2. Groups of teens causing trouble.
Address those 2 issues and there would be no need to ban any clothing.
#37
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Is no - one else slightly worried that the default response of the government to any social issue is authoritarian upon the whole of society. If bluewater want to ban hoodies then they are a private company, they are at liberty to, just like a pub landlord can ban troublesome drinkers. But since when is it the governments role to intervene in what we can and cannot wear, its like some sort of hitler esque fascist regime. Can you imagine the backlash the tories would get if they proposed this?
Also is it really beyond comprehension that these little sods will just take to wearing alternative forms of clothing? The problem is not the clothes that people wear, its the people wearing the clothes. Untill someone up top addresses the complete lack od respect many youngsters have today by imposing a zero tolerance mandate on both them and the parents then we will spend billions of pounds and thousands of hours wasting hour time eroding the civil liberties of the law abiding masses.
Also is it really beyond comprehension that these little sods will just take to wearing alternative forms of clothing? The problem is not the clothes that people wear, its the people wearing the clothes. Untill someone up top addresses the complete lack od respect many youngsters have today by imposing a zero tolerance mandate on both them and the parents then we will spend billions of pounds and thousands of hours wasting hour time eroding the civil liberties of the law abiding masses.
#38
They need the sort of punishment that they dont want to undergo again to get them to start to respect some kind of discipline. That would be a start anyway.
Time for some painful corporal punishment I think.
Les
Time for some painful corporal punishment I think.
Les
#39
Is no - one else slightly worried that the default response of the government to any social issue is authoritarian upon the whole of society.
I also agree with the ban, like it has been said, it is just like a bank banning crash helmets.
#40
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Originally Posted by GaryCat
Much as I dislike the Labour Govt all they have done is condone the actions of a private company, how have they intervened?
I also agree with the ban, like it has been said, it is just like a bank banning crash helmets.
I also agree with the ban, like it has been said, it is just like a bank banning crash helmets.
#41
Originally Posted by borat52
Is no - one else slightly worried that the default response of the government to any social issue is authoritarian upon the whole of society. If bluewater want to ban hoodies then they are a private company, they are at liberty to, just like a pub landlord can ban troublesome drinkers. But since when is it the governments role to intervene in what we can and cannot wear, its like some sort of hitler esque fascist regime. Can you imagine the backlash the tories would get if they proposed this?
Also is it really beyond comprehension that these little sods will just take to wearing alternative forms of clothing? The problem is not the clothes that people wear, its the people wearing the clothes. Untill someone up top addresses the complete lack od respect many youngsters have today by imposing a zero tolerance mandate on both them and the parents then we will spend billions of pounds and thousands of hours wasting hour time eroding the civil liberties of the law abiding masses.
Also is it really beyond comprehension that these little sods will just take to wearing alternative forms of clothing? The problem is not the clothes that people wear, its the people wearing the clothes. Untill someone up top addresses the complete lack od respect many youngsters have today by imposing a zero tolerance mandate on both them and the parents then we will spend billions of pounds and thousands of hours wasting hour time eroding the civil liberties of the law abiding masses.
That's what really frightens the Establishment, that the majority might one day say," we've had enough". Then take action.
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