Neanderthal

iTrader: (6)

Well the duck demo didn't blow me away. The Eye Toy cups was clever but what use will that be in a game?

ozzy

The good quality vids on the IGN site need subscription. Anyone seen these on other sites?

Birdie

Motor Storm impressed me, even more so that Vision GT

Video Link --> PS3 Motor Storm

messiah

Killzone 2 looks the killer title so far.

Any more to the rumour Apple were producing a version of iTunes for it?

I agree that the next getaway looks impressive, but I hope it plays better than the first 2 - worst game I ever bought. Trouble is the finished game looked nothing like the original pics that appeared in Edge when the PS2 first came out.

SirFozzalot

messiah

saw that yesterday - looks superb, hope you actually get to flatten bikers in it!

messiah

MGS4 - http://media.ps3.ign.com/media/714/7...raw_wmvlow.wmv

SirFozzalot

Did you notice the text right at the end of the clip?

"This image is developed by Playstation 2" How good will the PS3 version be?

messiah

MGS3 is IMHO the best looking game on PS2 - this will rock! pity no game footage though.

messiah

still cheaper than the PS2 at launch if the exchange rate stands...

Dream Weaver

Clucking Bell!!!!

I thin kwe are heading for photo reality in these next consoles (fingers crossed).

papascooby

but did u see the cack looking jeep demo. 'cept....

IT HAD DEFORMABLE GROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OMG can you imagine the huuuuuuge improvement to handling that will make to driving games (esp. rally)

Can you imagine the procesing required to calculate it aswell

Roll on GT5 I say. I want deformable ground, weather, damage, ai and all the online goodness.

wez_sti

I'm a bit confused...

Read that the PS3 has a single 3.2Ghz processor and the Xbox 360 has 3 3.2Ghz processors, yet your saying the PS3 is 2x more powerful...???? hows that work then?????

Iain Young

It's not just the processor, but the surrounding hardware, and also the type of processor...

messiah

IIRC the XBox's CPU is single threaded, the PS3's Cell chip is multi threaded. Also the PS3's chip has something like 8 "sub-brains" (Sygergistic ?)

messiah

XBox 360

Under the bonnet, 360 will boast three symmetrical IBM PowerPC 3.2GHz cores combined with a custom ATI 500MHz GPU with 10Mb of embedded DRAM, all supported by 512Mb of GDDR3 RAM. All of which delivers a teraflop of overall performance.

PS3

Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE
* 1 of 8 SPEs reserved for redundancy
total floating point performance: 2.18 GFLOPS

papascooby

the ps3 has actually has 8 3.2 GHZ processors, but all on one chip:

CPU: Cell Processor
PowerPC-base Core @3.2GHz
1 VMX vector unit per core
512KB L2 cache
7 x SPE @3.2GHz
7 x 128b 128 SIMD GPRs
7 x 256KB SRAM for SPE

RoadrunnerV2

Come on IBM - release a Cell for the PC

messiah

Apple G6?

They've always said it would go into Computers - and apparently you can run 13 of them in parallel

wez_sti

am i right in thinking the PS3 will have the equivelant of a 25Ghz precessor then???? if so....FOoking El!!!

messiah

I don't think it works like that mate unfortunately. It just means it can chug 8 times the info around in one go

bioforger

iTrader: (1)

You cant compare it to a PC equivalent, the ps3, xbox360 are all in completely different configurations. Theyre performance is based on a sum of all their parts, just like a PC is. The only way you can make any kind of comparison, is to run the same benchmarking tool on each bit of kit. Im not aware of any tool that can do this across gaming platforms. You can measure Frames per second, but thats about all that is relevant for gaming

Fuchsrohre

PS3 demo's - I smell a rat

I sincerely hope the games look like some of those demo's but I smell pre-rendered badness

KiwiGTI

The PS3 demos weren't pre-rendered. At E3 they stopped the demo and took control, moving around in real time to show it wasn't a movire or pre-rendered

Edcase

How easily people are taken in.

*ALL* of the Sony PS3 demos, with the exception of the technical demos (ie the ducks and the getaway demo), Epic's Unreal demo, and the EA Sports Fight Night demo, are pre-rendered CG movies and are not running realtime. Note that the EA sports demo had no crowd or background, the Getaway demo had no game logic or AI / crowd pathfinding etc. it was just a scripted CG sequence running through the CPU and GPU.

Full stop. End of story.

Edcase

PS3 is NOT 2 times more powerful than Xbox 360!

Their press launch comparison was actually between PS3 (Cell CPU and Nvidia GPU together) vs the Xbox 360 Power PC CPUs only. (not including the GPU)

In actual fact they are very evenly matched, with PS3 very slightly the more powerful. However the PS3 can do 1080 progressive scan, dual monitor, whereas the Xbox can only manage 1080 interlaced, single monitor.

chrome

HI Ed.
Go easy on them
After all you ARE in the business..

It's amazing isnt it how easily everyone gets swept up in the hyperbole...
Altho there has been plenty of healthy scepticism via Eurogamer


So what has been your favourite part of E3 so far?
(apart from the visit's to '4Play' afterwards )

We have been watching with much trepidation, excitement and apathy all rolled together at work.
J Allard should sell sand to Arabs Iwata and Robby (Robby ESPECIALLY really should leave the humour to professionals..

Was most impressed with Epic's work on Unreal3 (unsurprisingly).

Dream Weaver

So what will we be seeing then?

Seeing as you are both slating the idea of the demos and photo-realistic graphics, should we not really expect much progress between PS2/PS3 or Xbox/Xbox360?

Will there be any techno leap for the next gen consoles, or will we get "slightly better" graphics/gameplay?

I'm hoping for a big leap this time around, but unsure how it will pan out.

chrome

not slating anyone's opinions DW, merely being able to step back and see thru the BS and marketing for what it is

I think a LOT of dev' companies are in a state of panic.
Epic has done a fab job scaring the bejesus out of everyone.

Expect better and busier 'worlds' to pay within.. but dont expect the KillZOne 2 video quality just yet:
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/616/616591p1.html

It's a BIG jump hardware wise for developers.. but the irony is that there is no dev equipment out there yet able to even meet let alone exceed the console theoretical performance.

As for better gameply? hm
depends what you mean by better.
better as in more complex- I expect so.
better is on more fun- not convinced.
bigger development/marketing budgets do not mean that games will be more fun to the same magnitude of the graphical leap. sad but true.

Also; expect the big two (Sony and M$) to be invading every waking bloody second on or offline with their new lifestyle messages..
I dont know how anyone will have the time for this alternate life.
I wont

As for the designs- hmm:
360- no ta.
Ps3- george forman grill?
Revolution - hmmmm

really looking forward to see what control innovations Nintendo will be bringing to us all.

witness the qualiy of Epic's work
(and it is coming to PS3 too)

Fuchsrohre

EdCase, thanks for confirming my suspicions on the pre-rendered badness. Its all becoming far too common place these days.

I guess development costs are going to spiral further - a consequence of bigger dev teams and longer development times.

More financial burden on the publisher.

In-house engines increasingly becoming a thing of the past, middle-ware companies getting stronger.

Publishers playing safe by sticking to "proven" genres resulting in less original games

Games development funding starts looking to the "hollywood" funding model. Its intriguing comparing the rise of video game production to film production. I can see more than a passing resemblance.