fastfrank

The white line was broken so I was ok there and I was riding that slow that she didn't knock me off, just shuved me out the way... enough to bend the footrest hanger.

Technically you are allowed to overtake vehicles within double white lines providing you don't obviously cross them (an advance instructor told me). If a dude decided to pull out and hit you when you were performing this manouver then it would be very questionable that it was your fault as his intention would have been to break the law by crossing the solid line (unless he was doing so by way of an obstacle).

jasonius

iTrader: (1)

That's because they know the rule of the road better than you..!

If you read the highway code or listen to the advice give by the AA/RAC they advise you to use all of the available road and then to filter in 'zip' like fashion.

It's because of the mentallity of drivers who feel it is queue jumping and get all upset when someone passes them, lined up like sheep, that we have so many hold ups in this country..!

Use the road available, that's what it's there for..!

pslewis

Want to mount a campaign against those ******** Bikers who blind you with their stupid high beams on in braod daylight???

Add your comments here:-

http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=430544

Lets get the pratts to DIP their headlights!!!!

Pete

cookstar

iTrader: (6)

I myself do not actually ride a bike, in this country. BUT I do feel i am a good driver in my car, I move over when i slow moving traffic so a bike that is "filtering" a whole line of cars, can safely do so. Along with stopping short to leave room etc I know this is apperciated as they often give a small wave.

What people must realise is that there are a lot of complete tw@ts riding bikes, as there are many many tw@ts driving cars. But then there is the rest of US

If im in a jam, it doesnt bother me in the slightest if a bike gets through faster, within or slightly not within the law. As long as he is being carefull.

You get there quicker than me on a bike, but risk your life doing so, that is the trade off you make. But it is your trade.

My rant...By Cookie

trails

iTrader: (41)

well said that man, its all about respecting other road users. IMHO the best way to act is how you would want to be treated yourself

Fluffmeister

I do that, but around 200M before, it's ****'s (perhaps your one of them?) who use it even after the carriageway has "ended", trying to force their way in and then slow things down.

I lived in Germany for 11 years and driving discipline and standards are much higher over there, it was a rare to see someone trying to force their way in as people cut in a sensible distance from the lane closing and traffic flow's.

It's not a case of being a sheep, it's a case of **** poor driving standards over here.

I actually take great pleasure in using the old renault traffic to watch people in nice shiny sporty cars get frustrated and try it on at the last second .... go for it fella, like I care about another dent in the race van

Fluff

yhe chod

filtering is fine .thats a bikes advantage.
BUT not when your at tha front of the queue just about to take off at the lights when it turns green and some **** [on a bike ] decides to "filter" between you and the traffic island so you have to "give way "to them otherwise youd knock him off [nice thought] and so now your getting beeped at by other cars becuase you were not quick enough to take advantage of a gap which other cars are are now in[because of that ****ing biker]

and why oh why do bikers focus so hard on filtering to the front of the queue at red lights all gathered there revving away[no need is there] and then take off really slowly going excactly 25 in the middle of the raod .stay back if your not going to accelarate and make progreess!!!

yhe chod

you should try and keep traffic flowing using the road available rather than stamping on your brakes every 5 minutes. and when you do want to pull in to traffic just back off a little on the accelerator and indicate -dont be aggressive.and the person in the queue should respond to this by also backing off and letting the other car in all smooth and and *no sudden braking which causes the classic domino effect -thats why it seems theres queues of traffic sometimes but its not.
oh and why do people try and create a situation/accident by accelerating [when backing off would be more helpfull] faster when someone is trying to get in a lane in front of them and they can see that by doing this he would have to brake hard * [*see above]

Hol

iTrader: (1)

It depends on whether is it filtering or weaving.

RichieH

That looks like a private webisite to me.

And do you mean my mirrors are faster than me???? Last time I looked thay were part of my car.

I think you need to lie down and have a rest


Mirror, Signal, manouvre, Blindspot -- Look for Lord Lucan on Shergar, Flying Saucers and Someone Breaking the highway code rules on speed and overtaking

Fluffmeister

Is the highway code actually a set of "Rules" or are they guidelines??? I thought it was the latter....


Fluff'

fastfrank

hey mate... don't know whos back your trying to get up here but you obviously haven't suffered a serious injury due to a DRIVER not seeing you. I've been in that position and for that reason I always intend to blind the motorist were possible to make sure my presence is known and to hopefully avoid it happening again.....
In the current climate were driving standards seem to be dropping more and more, i'm taking no more chances.
After all, you can always twiddle your rear view mirror if it bothers you that much.

Don't take this personally.

BedHog

I doubt they were on high beam - just normal. Does it matter? I doubt high beam on a bike could dazzle a car driver in daylight.

Plus it did the trick didn't it? You saw them

richieh

aye theres nowt so blind than those that cannot see
richie

richieh

shame other car drivers dont take the same attitude
richie

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

I personally dont mind bikers "filtering" in slow or stationary traffic, as long as they use their common sense and take it easy, its very hard for most drivers when you have cars/vans/trucks that block the view of traffic behind you, you indicate to change lane in slow moving traffic and some nutter flies past you at 30mph whilst your doing 10mph, hugging the side of cars etc thinking they are indestructable, thats a no-no in my book, but take it steady and be visable, i dont have a problem with....
I do have problems with bikers though who do try to overtake you on double white lines, especially on corners (right hand ones where they cannot see whats coming in the opposite direction ) and speeding at 80-100mph in a 40mph zone (built up) or the odd nutter who flies down a high street during the day at 120+ and gets themselves killed, or where we are and they normally end up going through a stone wall, the walls are a pain to rebuild, shame about the bikers as they dont normally survive the affair.

Tony

pj748r

I have to say that the majority of car/van/lorry drivers where i commute(Liverpool/Wirral don't have a problem with bikes filtering thru traffic,however when i have been in my car commuting there is nothing worse then some tit on his bike doing 50mph filtering!!

I find that most car drivers tend to be courteous and make space for bikes(even when i've been to London to see friends).But i have also had the odd few idiots who try to block/pull out deliberately and they have lost the odd door mirror(they dont need need it as they dont use it!!)
I have over 16 years experience driving Emergency Vehicles thru city centres,so i would like to think i've enough experience in this subject!
I also use my bike to take my 11 year old son to seconday schooll,just so as you think i'm not some gob****e trying to stir sh:te

Hol

iTrader: (1)

From reading your posts, I don't suppose it matters to you?

You feel like you are beyond it all.


Not that im painting a picture about how other road users view bikers, BUT you might want to consider your actions in other aspects of life.

Devils advocate, and all that!

Hol

iTrader: (1)

I think this is an indicative view of most road users.

If you have bought a bike to circumvent the ' guideline' rules most of us other road users* abide by:
(Staying in lane in traffic, keeping to a speed that flows with the others around you, Not cutting into a moving line of traffic, pulling accross a Traffic light etc..)
- be big enough to admit it!

We all know that is why you have a 'single seat motor vehicle'. Its so obvious.


But don't blame everyone else on the road when they join you in doing the same things.

Thats just 'Spin'.


*Disclaimer. Does not include BMW drivers and Saxo/106 Drivers.

Puff The Magic Wagon!

iTrader: (2)

Lots of interesting stuff in this thread

Firstly

"Motorbikes are made for progressing through traffic" - no they are not!! They are a mode of transport & it is only because of their size that they are able to filter & are more manoeuvrable [sp] than their 3+ wheeled bretheren.

"and we have to be aggressive about it, cause car drivers have a severe attitude problem that a bike can progress when they cant" - as a biker I take exception to this statement. We do NOT have to be agressive about it - we have to be defensive about it in that as we are vulnerable, then we should ride defensively expecting some twonk to do the unexpected to us. Part of that is not putting yourself in positions of risk & another part is positioning yourself where you can more easily be seen by other road users. Other parts include not riding "agressively" such that it annoys other road users.

Filtering is often confused with overtaking. Take the situation where you are coming down the outside of a lane of traffic & someone turns right suddenly. You are technically overtaking there & undertaking a manoeuvre which is inherantly risky. The car driver also is undertaking a manoeuvre & should be equally careful. That is why you are held partly responsible for any accident that occurs - it is called contributory negligence. It has happened twice to me & it hurts

(Although people doing u-turns through 2 lines of traffic generally gets them a due care & attention & no contrib on my part )

So if you take filtering as overtaking when going down the outside lane of traffic, then obviously bikers should be weary & cautious & car drivers should treat it as being overtaken - or do people not like to be overtaken?

With the filtering part, it is entirely legal if (as previously stated) if it is not done where overtaking is not allowed.

To be honest, I don't put myself in a position where a car driver gets annoyed at me as I'm no longer there. I don't expect them to have seen me & position myself accordingly. I don't think I ever get car/van/lorry drivers deliberately blocking me either or cannot recall this ever happening. Most people just don't see you & by then I'm past.

Hint - always ride a bike & let your partner drive the car if taking a holiday in Cornwall in the summer - so much less of a stressful start to the hols

Fluffmeister

What other aspects of life oh wise font of motoring knowledge

imlach

Surely this is just plain stupid to overtake on double whites, even if you do keep within them....technically you could have sex with someone who has HIV and not catch it, but does that mean you would?

Double white lines are nearly ALWAYS on dangerous parts of the road.

Does common sense never kick in with bikers, or is it purely "I can get ahead so I MUST at every opportunity" type thing?

Certainly up here in Scotland, the A-roads at weekends are FULL of nutters on bikes overtaking on corners (usually 5 of them on the same corner!!!). As I always say when they go past, "dead soon" I wish them no ill, and try to allow for their "dangerous manouveres" by backing off, but a lot of them just have no common sense whatever.

They're riding on adrenalin & peer pressure. Nutters.

Fluffmeister

Some wise words from Imlach there, and I am not taking the ****

Personally when I am on the bike I WONT overtake on double whites, even if a car driver moves over a little, I will bide my time. I do have mates who will do it though and it does **** me off sometimes.

Anyone see the traffic cops thing on the cat and fiddle a few months ago on BBC. Guy in an Elise loses it and crosses the white line and get's a bollocking, biker overtakes on double whites and gets points and fine.

I first saw it and thought it a bit odd, but the guy on the bandit / xjr (whatever) actually deserved the points as if he had checked behind him he would have seen a **** off big volvo with a light on the top, and ihis attitude sucked when pulled.

I spend a lot of time on the motard or the speed triple on and around the cat and fiddle and I have once had a TVR go past when I was taking it easy, he floored it around me on double whites with a 90deg left approaching and a dry stone wall for run off. The reason I was doddering was that the police Islander was up and circleing, I wonder if he got bagged for it??

Moray

Try telling police motorcyclists filtering isnt legal. I had to filter in congested traffic when I sat my Advanced Motorcycle Test, followed by a police motorcyclist of some 26 years. We are taught to ride defensively cause of numb nut car drivers with their cosy feet and stereo turned up, and heads that cannot rotate far enough to check blind spots prior to manouvering. We are also taught to progress which means filtering in congested traffic.

Moray

The biker is cause you already indicated, so he should not overtake. Unless you manouvered first like some idiot car drivers do then indicate after the fact.

Moray

How do you know they are doing 70 do you have a mobile radar gun in your car ? I wish I could look at a vehicle and guesstemate its speed. But point taken couriers do take chances just like most idiot white van drivers, sales reps etc on the roads. Maybe that should be a new thread on Motorcycle Couriers progressing in traffic to meet deadlines

imlach

Moray,

While I can see the frustrations (I have similar frustrations on my bicycle!), the key is "defensive". Bad driving/cycling/motorcycling will exist until infinity.

They key is to look after No.1. Defensive, defensive, defensive. With experience, you have a sixth sense for situations occuring anyway. If you plough on "just cos you are in the right", you will get hurt. Period.

Moray

Good point

Moray

Jasonius, you really are talking out of your **** now. So you think blasting down till lane ends and hopefully somone letting you pull in is progression and will alleviate congestion more?

Danny B

I was told to treat double white lines as an imaginery brick wall and never ever cross them to overtake another vehicle.

Moray

I actually think at traffic lights there should be a car exclusion zone, like a box section with a sign saying motorcycles/scooters only. Its safer and allows the faster accelerating motorcycle to get away first at the lights and progress. I was recently in Taiwan and they have that system at traffic lights. The motorcyclist is No 1 there, and they even have a motorcycle lane similar to a cycle lane in this country in built up areas, so **** head drivers cant knock them off, due to lack of head rotation to check blind spot.