Bubba po

Ere, Spoon. You're becoming a right old bad-tempered troll of late. What's up, mate?

Spoon

Thanks Billy. I'm surprised you regard it as bad tempered or even trolling.
It takes all types of opinion to form a discussion. Personally I think the whole country has gone to seed in many aspects.

Thank fúck for **** I say.

Bubba po

Agreed, but you didn't used to be quite so combative. With regard to ****, one can't deny that it turns one on. But it makes people think of other people as things. And that is the root of abuse. I like to look at it, but I don't think it's a good thing.

Spoon

Never been any different and very unlikely to ever be any different Billy. Maybe it appears that way to you because I've had time to post of late.

The **** comment was only in jest to a post of yours earlier.

So how long have you been frequenting the monestry?

Bubba po

I have taken a vow of silence over uncomfortable questions, I'm afraid.

Spoon

You don't say Sherlock.

Now if it gets difficult in here you know you will always be let back into the mentally challenged forum don't you?

Bubba po

Of course.

As a matter of interest, MadMark reckons he is of of midrange IQ in the challenged forum, at 148.

Bubba po

Ch'yeah, right.

Spoon

Delusions of grandeur is an essential qualification to enter.

Right, I'm pitting.

Laters.

Bubba po

:S'later.

RB5 Paul

I'm with spoon on this one,teach your kids that if they run in the road and hit a lump of metal moving at xxmph it's gonna do more damage to them than it is to the metal,unfortunatly i can't help with this argument as i am a stereotypical non child having adult .
But once upon a time i was a child to and i can remember my mum shouting at me to stay out of the road when i ran out in front of a car,she even apologised to the driver that had to slam on his brakes to avoid me.... I couldn't believe it imagine me being in the wrong running into the road and the driver was in the right!!!!!! Surely he should be driving up the pavement to avoid small children,or maybe even pushing his car just to be on the safe side

J4CKO

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I spend a large proportion of my time trying to drum the road safety message into my kids, and the neighbours kids and it takes some time to get through, I even showed them the video of the Pizza guy getting hit (not real but very realistic) to try and shock them but it isnt having the desired effect. Unless you have kids its difficult to understand how hard they are to get through to, you have all these ideas of what you will tell your kids to do until you have one, they appear to listen, they can repeat what you said but you still cant trust them near a road, if anything, living on a quiet road is worse than a main road as they get complacent and lazy wheras kids on main roads either get some road sense or they dont last more than a few hours.

Most of the residents drive slowly based on the fact that whomever has the right to be on/not be on the road its still pretty bad form to hit somebody, people have to cross roads, especially in a residential street, even taking due care its difficult to anticipate a large, quiet badly driven car coming at you at 30 plus from a corner.

Roads are for cars but the drivers of cars need to moderate there speed and perception to allow for the unexpected, toddlers, children, cyclists, other cars do do random things and part of being a good driver is realising this and giving yourself time to react, I am afraid that explaining the fact that you pay road tax, roads are for cars to the parents of a dead child wouldnt cut it.

I am a bit sensitive about this having had a nasty shock last year when my 5 year old was pottering up and down the pavement (not the road) on his scooter looking for someone to play with whilst me and the other two kids cleaned the interior of my wifes car, anyway, there was a revving of an engine, a screech of tyres, a blaring horn and then a massive smash as a neightbours car came carreering across the road into a wall where my child had been stood seconds earlier, for some reason the neighbours teenage son was driving with his mum in the driving seat, the car was a mess but my little lad survived as he was about ten feet away, it shook me to the core and am now a bit paranoid.

I have already asked one neighbour politely to moderate his speed and to his credit he has done but I am sure the others being decent people just dont realise how quick they appear to be going from outside the car when todays big motors are so cosseting inside, they isolate you from most of the sensation of speed and the accompanying noise.

Separate issue but quite interesting.

At the old house we lived at the top of a long road, still a 30, most took it slow until they built some 'exective housing', one guy with a BMW 328 (new at the time) used to hoof it down the road, 1st, 2nd 3rd, redlining it sometimes, I went and had a word, nice and freindly and the daft **** offered me out, his wife stopped him from smacking me one. He then made a point of going as fast as he could past my house, one time getting as close as he could to me as I got out of the car. I just got plod involved, they went and had a word with him, he drove past and gave me the 'do you know who I am' bit, I was going to be sorted out for getting the coppers round (wasnt impressed by the Police van in front of his house), intimidated me in the local pub, I had another word with the Police so they stationed a Policeman with a radar gun there and they got him on the second try at 63 in a 30, fairly certain he was banned but they moved soon after as I supsect he may have lost his job.

Bubba po

Excellent, Jacko.

imlach

Not focussing in on your post deliberately, as I liked your last post, BUT seen this fallacy cropping up in this thread....

...can we just remember that roads are for :

- cyclists
- motorcyclists
- horses
- lorries
- cars
- Oh, and pedestrians if there is no pavement (ie, country lane).

Cars don't have any priority over any of the others in the list.

Johnny E

Good on yer Jacko, but don't you own a scooby yourself? Not exactly known for poor performance, we can all get carried away now & then. (& just hope it's not carried away in an ambulance)

Bubba po

There really shouldn't be any justification for killing someone with your car. Too much of today's society is concerned with what everyone else should be doing and how everyone else should behave. Responsibilities need to be more important than personal rights.

Johnny E

Wot u on M8, did you mean to say "there isn't any justification"

Bubba po

There's just so many people going "Kids shouldn't be on the roads"; "Roads are for cars"; "I should be able to max out my car on an empty road"; "everyone is in the wrong but me".

Don't you get that impression?

RB5 Paul

Not at all,the impression i'm getting is that everyone drives round housing estates at the speed limit and it's wrong because there are kids in the road,as someone said earlier when he was younger they all used to shout car and stand on the side till it had drove past,which funnily enough is something i remember happening as well.
Why as soon as you say teach your kids road sense are you accused of being a maniac speeding killer or a childless Knownothing
I don't agree with speeding round built up area's but to be honest you wouldn't let your kids play on a train track would you?
Pavements are for pedestrians,roads are for cars etc,but to be honest a little bit of common sense on both parts isn't a great deal to ask is it?

If people are breaking the limit or out of control then have a word with them,if they are half sharp they'll slow down a bit,if not report them for dangerous driving.

But above all else be glad you don't live on a main road,because then you'd have to entertain the little buggers in your house

Tiggs

some crap on here!

do you watch kids TV???? the hedgehog (modern tuffty) is on all the time....kids get loads of "saftey" info......whats this bull**** obsession with "it was better in my day"

my kids play in the garden and sometimes in the close.....when a car comes they yell car and get off the road (good god......just like 30 years ago)....luckily i live i a close that seems rather ****-free compared to some peoples on here and no one speeds in it.

no surprise that the selfish fools who belive a road is for cars and kids should live in fields dont have kids of their own...........i'd be surprised if anyone would want kids with someone like that!

Johnny E

We've got the crappiest speed bumps ever on our road, three small squares spread accross, so you can drive right over them & your tyres go either side missing them completely!!!!

Plus we live alongside a park, where kids are always running in & out of the park gates chasing a footie or on their bikes.

It would be nice to think a kid would stop and think of the green cross code, but that's just it they are kids and lots of the time they don't stop & think

RB5 Paul

RB5 Paul

Thats what i meant by some common sense on both parts,if it looks like somewhere children will be playing then you take it easy,or i do at least,might not have kids yet but that doesnt mean i want to kill them.

The running in the road thing i said about my mum shouting at me was what i meant by parents doing the right thing and not blaming the innocent motorist for daring to use a road,i wasn't saying we should all drive ***** nilly

Just seem to see parents shouting at cars nowadays rather than disciplining the child for running into the road,in my opinion,which is obviously worthless but do i care?

RB5 Paul

And on the original point of the thread,i'd say sort the scumbags out if they know there are kids playing everyday they should be little more considerate and careful. Or move to a nicer area where people respect each other

imlach

The simple fact is, people DO race around on suburban back streets. Moreso sometimes if they are familiar with the area.

Familarity is a killer. You tend to concentrate less as you know the road. You drive on it frequently, and hence the perception of danger decreases. Lastly, people tend to leave/arrive at their houses in a rush/panic/frenzy, often thinking about other things. You may leave the house thinking "bugger, I'm running 5 minutes late, so had better get a bend on" and consequently speed off past all your neighbours houses at quite a rate. You know there's no gatsos or cops on side roads, so pretty low risk to hare off round the place.

Sound familiar?

Yesterday I was waiting at a junction near my house on my bike, when a car approached wanting to turn left into my street. He was approaching the junction at some speed, he seemed to be unable to turn, and he ended up stalling his car on the main road while trying to turn into the side street, causing cars behind to have to stop. The reason? Phone in hand held to ear, other hand trying to downshift, and no hands on the steering wheel.

Some people eh!

imlach

Not sure there are any "nice areas" left in this respect
Move to a nicer area, and the problem is the same, but now with X5's, Range Rovers, Grand Cherokees driven by females more concerned about the safety of little Johnny on the back seat rather than the scum on the streets that aren't cossetted by the 'safety' of a large 4x4

RB5 Paul

Good point

You live round this way by any chance?

scooby-si

Leslie

Of course children shoud be taught road sense, and also the parents when you see how they behave as pedestrians these days. But that does not justify idiots driving too fast in residential areas.

Les

NotoriousREV

J4CKO, excellent post, 100% agree.

Have to say that the attitude of "I'm driving within the speed limit therefore if I have an accident it's not my fault" is surely a side affect of "Speed Kills"?

Use your heads, kids are often out playing in cul-de-sacs, chances are one might not see you and run out in front of you. Do you honestly think you wouldn't be devastated if you hit and killed a child, regardless of whether it was your fault or not?