flat4_ire

thats lovely man fair play to ya, i like the new shape ones a lot as well as the classics..pickin up my new 98 v4 white type r tomrow, wish me luck!for some reason the blue is vveerrry popular in england.looks great with the wheels i gotta say

dexter

cbgb, Relax mate, you haven`t bought a 20k duffer !

I`ve had my MY05 WRX (standard) for about 8 weeks now, and done around 1600 miles in it. Believe it or not, it already feels much looser than when new, and you will really feel it start to pick up once you`ve run it in, and can go over the 4k revs.

You`ll find it can show a clean pair of heels to most things on the road, especially in the handling stakes.

Contrary to some of the comments on here, you don`t need to rush out and get it PPP`d, or buy an STi for that matter, as there will be plenty enough performance, once you can open it up properly, as long as you drive it well.

I must admit that I, too, am on my first Scoob, so I`m not trying to knock any of the lads on here that have been driving them for years, but I really do feel that you will be happy enough with the performance post run-in.

In the mean-time, get to know the handling better, as this will reward you once you can use full power. Enjoy.

jasey

You don't rush - you get pulled in (seduced almost). If you don't want to upgrade stay away from the dealers .

Jasey

Classic 2000Turbo > UK300 > STi 03 .

GRIFF007

[QUOTE=dexter]cbgb, Relax mate, you haven`t bought a 20k duffer !

I`ve had my MY05 WRX (standard) for about 8 weeks now, and done around 1600 miles in it. Believe it or not, it already feels much looser than when new, and you will really feel it start to pick up once you`ve run it in, and can go over the 4k revs.

You`ll find it can show a clean pair of heels to most things on the road, especially in the handling stakes.

Contrary to some of the comments on here, you don`t need to rush out and get it PPP`d, or buy an STi for that matter, as there will be plenty enough performance, once you can open it up properly, as long as you drive it well.

The PPP has to be tried (preferably on a car with 10k + miles) and must be with Optimax (to avoid the elastic band effect of checked performance) - the difference is night and day - MUCH more responsive from 2800 rpm and much broader torque band (better than standard STi remember!) - totally transforms the car

flat-spot

I have a new WRX 05 PPP and the only thing I get pissed off with is the headlights - there is no audiable sound when you get out of the car leaving the lights on and so when you drive to work the following morning you blaze everybody, especially if you have fitted HID's like me

FrenchBoy

Sod the running in and rag the b1tch!

GRIFF007

perhaps you can tell the newbie about the driving differences of PPP conversion? - err 'dazzle' him with your wisdom?!

cheeky69er

If it still bothers you sell it and buy a TVR tuscan for about £22k
It'll support you much better with the seats, the paint is a lot better and it will throw you into the back of your seats form about 2k RPM all the way to the redline . . . .

until it breaks down.

jasey

two weeks later

GRIFF007

or a mint Griffith with Rover based main mechanicals they are remarkably reliable and utterly ballistic + leather trimmed and beautiful --- no negative comments guys please - i have had mine 10 yrs and only needed 1 relay and tyres + only do oil and filter servicing + insured for c £200 p.a. classic car! (and 25% more economical..!)

Listy

If he thinks the seats suck in that, stick him in a classic for 6 months......

Mine were murder on the lower back. I put it down to me being 6ft2 and most of the Japs it was designed for being short *****.

New Sti seats rock I reckon

As for performance PPP mate ......... Grin city
Come back in a month when it's run in and loosened up a bit, I fear the lag factor won't be so much of an issue when you get your head round keeping it above 3k when you wanna go quick.

mightyyid

Eerrr... yes they do lag. They lag when they are off bosst because that's what lag is - waiting for the turbo to spin up to speed dependant on the exhaust gasses coming out of the enigne. There are very few cars out there that don;t have turbo lag, but some are able to integrate into their engines better than others. How many of us have driven in second gear with low revs, and pulled away, with a car closing rapidly behind because of the lag.

In Australia, a friend disconnected his turbo thus drove the car without it. Then you realise what the engine is like without a turbo (shocking) but also how a 2.0 is chnaged to blend in with the turbo. Avery novel and interesting experience.

PPP helps reduce the lag through better fuelling, but it's still there...

GRIFF007

yes and no...

below 2500 is not lag - simply insufficient gas speed / ecu dials out early extra torque for self preservation (depending on turbo etc)

real turbo lag can be measured when slamming through the gears well above 3000 rpm - ie ECU accepts boost + gas flow ok, however compressor has to re-spool due to having boost dumped during change - or better demonstrated by driving at 3500 rpm on level or closed throttle and then re-opening - it is this time to re-spool that is true lag - and this is very well addressed by the PPP map and probably even better by after market tuners not so worried about engine protection..

Changing gear in an 03 STi before and after conversion is literally chalk and cheese (well actually, not literally - but you get the drift!) - virtually 100% lag free power shifting a PPP whereas std STi is horrific - takes 1/2 sec to spool back up - presumably mainly because of better less restricted exhaust + mapping will help

Summary - convert it before the winter - winter will bring on another level of power by virtue of colder air - thats another story...

Moray

No wonder his car ran **** disconnecting turbo,cause engine has lower compression ratio than standard subaru 2.0 sport e.g.

WRBlu

[QUOTE=mightyyid]Eerrr... yes they do lag. They lag when they are off bosst because that's what lag is - waiting for the turbo to spin up to speed dependant on the exhaust gasses coming out of the enigne. There are very few cars out there that don;t have turbo lag, but some are able to integrate into their engines better than others.

You have obviously never owned an R5 turbo!

Drive a WRX in 2nd gear at 3500rpm, floor it and tell me where the lag is.

EVO described the WRX 03 in their 2003 group test as: the WRX engine turbo charecteristics as so progressive and lag free the lack of a 6 speed box did'nt matter. They were comparing it to a Focus RS, Golf R32, Alfa 3.2, Mini Cooper S Works, in my experience thats exactly how it drives.

Griff - that sheds some light on it, I cant say I have noticed this in the WRX going through the gears maybe because its in a lower state of tune than the sti.

GRIFF007

Griff - that sheds some light on it, I cant say I have noticed this in the WRX going through the gears maybe because its in a lower state of tune than the sti.[/QUOTE]

Aye, the Sti just about puts you through the screen through sustained 'negative effect' G when storming through the gears - a real 'whole' in the delivery that is anything but nice! - PPP cures that completely - a totally different animal - during the cold days, an animal is just what it is - 1st 3 gears are straight out of playstation as to how long you stay in each gear...! - cant wait for tuned 2.5 with 350 lb ft min............