replace MAF....part of regular maintenance
#31
Originally Posted by pslewis
Could you please specify 'quite considerable'??
0.5 second?
1 second?
2 seconds?
'quite considerable' means absolutely nothing .....
Pete
0.5 second?
1 second?
2 seconds?
'quite considerable' means absolutely nothing .....
Pete
I'm afraid I've always done this, not only on Subaru but all car's I've had, just to satisfy my own mechanical sympathy or by your definition, just to be ****
Gerry
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#32
Originally Posted by pslewis
Please, NO - tell me you ARE joking!!!
FFS seek help FAST!!
Dear god, that is the saddest waste of life I have ever had the misfortune to read You must be a bundle of fun down the pub!
Pete
ps. I will allow myself the **** operation of prefilling the filter ........ as for leaving it overnight all wrapped up all cosy like - well, that is for the Premier League of the **** Practioner!! That has seriously worried me!! people like this are actually walking our streets!!
FFS seek help FAST!!
Dear god, that is the saddest waste of life I have ever had the misfortune to read You must be a bundle of fun down the pub!
Pete
ps. I will allow myself the **** operation of prefilling the filter ........ as for leaving it overnight all wrapped up all cosy like - well, that is for the Premier League of the **** Practioner!! That has seriously worried me!! people like this are actually walking our streets!!
As for filling the night before, it saves time when it comes to changing the oil. The whole job only takes a few minutes so if the filter's sitting ready to be fitted there's no delay. As for keeping it in the box, the last thing your engine needs is a few grains of grit or a wayward housefly lurking in the fresh oil at the bottom of the filter. Bloody hell, does everything need to be spelled out in words of one syllable?
It's all a question of what you consider to be good practice. Personally, being considered **** doesn't bother me in the slightest. Being a pratt by disregarding good advice does.
#33
Originally Posted by pslewis
What you fail to mention is that the Oil can ONLY drain the SAME as it does when you stop the car!!
NO MORE OIL COMES OUT THE ENGINE AT OIL CHANGE!!!!!
I will repeat that ................
THE ENGINE OIL STATE AFTER DRAINING THE OIL FOR A CHANGE IS THE SAME AS THE STATE THE ENGINE IS IN AFTER THE ENGINE HAS BEEN STOOD FOR A FEW MINUTES WITH ENGINE OFF!!!
Therefore, the **** Crank Sensor Procedure SHOULD be carried out EVERY morning ................... or it is all complete and utter BOLLOX!!!
And thats what it is .... Bollox!!!
Pete
NO MORE OIL COMES OUT THE ENGINE AT OIL CHANGE!!!!!
I will repeat that ................
THE ENGINE OIL STATE AFTER DRAINING THE OIL FOR A CHANGE IS THE SAME AS THE STATE THE ENGINE IS IN AFTER THE ENGINE HAS BEEN STOOD FOR A FEW MINUTES WITH ENGINE OFF!!!
Therefore, the **** Crank Sensor Procedure SHOULD be carried out EVERY morning ................... or it is all complete and utter BOLLOX!!!
And thats what it is .... Bollox!!!
Pete
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So?? Its ALL down to the pick-up pipe losing its oil is it!
Have you ever held a straw at the top and kept water or pop in the straw ... well thats what happens to the pick-up pipe!! A 5 year old has discovered this!!
I pre-fill my Oil Filter as I believe in it, Subaru laugh at me, I still do it .........
But the Crank Sensor .... thats another ball game .... seriously ****
My car has been serviced by Subaru 9 times now, to their recommended schedule and way of doing things ........... it's got 58,500miles on it and is it completely shagged???
NO IT'S NOT!!
I don't know, you lot disconnect the Crank Sensor, leave your oil filter filled overnight ( I REALLY think you need help with that one, by the way!! ), worry about which way to turn a nut, whether the ECU is mapped for the fuel you have just put in ......
Then what do you do?? Modify the engine beyond its design and blow it up!!
Village Idiot springs to mind!!
Anyway, how do I check the gearbox oil - hot or cold? and what is the fluid amount from E to F??
Pete
Have you ever held a straw at the top and kept water or pop in the straw ... well thats what happens to the pick-up pipe!! A 5 year old has discovered this!!
I pre-fill my Oil Filter as I believe in it, Subaru laugh at me, I still do it .........
But the Crank Sensor .... thats another ball game .... seriously ****
My car has been serviced by Subaru 9 times now, to their recommended schedule and way of doing things ........... it's got 58,500miles on it and is it completely shagged???
NO IT'S NOT!!
I don't know, you lot disconnect the Crank Sensor, leave your oil filter filled overnight ( I REALLY think you need help with that one, by the way!! ), worry about which way to turn a nut, whether the ECU is mapped for the fuel you have just put in ......
Then what do you do?? Modify the engine beyond its design and blow it up!!
Village Idiot springs to mind!!
Anyway, how do I check the gearbox oil - hot or cold? and what is the fluid amount from E to F??
Pete
#35
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Originally Posted by p1mark
And before you ask, I am an engine designer for a major automotive manufacturer, and have in the past been a consultant for a number of well known motorsport teams
I ask because our CAD Sytem lads know all the top Engine Designers in the major companies, which car maker do you work for?? They are sure to know you ...... certainly if you have also been a consultant with the motorsport teams!! Pretty good for a 36 year old .... usually the best designers are in their 40's but you seem very impressive - you WILL be known within the engineering field.
We are currently hiring engineers from Rover, Longbridge...... they have only worked on very primitive engines, but we can train them in modern technology - I hope you aren't one of them!!
Pete
ps. I'm actually quite shocked that a top Engine Designer would need to ask engine questions like this though?? :- http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=421855
Oh, Dear ..... looks like you needed help to put an engine back together?? :- http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418546
Who were you consultant to?? Matchbox or Dinky??!! Classic!!
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#36
Originally Posted by pslewis
So?? Its ALL down to the pick-up pipe losing its oil is it!
Have you ever held a straw at the top and kept water or pop in the straw ... well thats what happens to the pick-up pipe!! A 5 year old has discovered this!!
Pete
Have you ever held a straw at the top and kept water or pop in the straw ... well thats what happens to the pick-up pipe!! A 5 year old has discovered this!!
Pete
I'll have to remember in future, not to question somebody who's so in touch with their juvenile side
GErry
#37
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Originally Posted by Houghton
guess what? He says that you're right!!!
GErry
GErry
Recognition of my superior intelligence
So? I take it you will now become a MAN and cease being an **** Old Woman??
Pete
#38
Originally Posted by pslewis
At last!!
Recognition of my superior intelligence
Recognition of my superior intelligence
Originally Posted by pslewis
So? I take it you will now become a MAN and cease being an **** Old Woman??
Pete
Pete
Gerry
#42
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Originally Posted by pslewis
ps. I'm actually quite shocked that a top Engine Designer would need to ask engine questions like this though?? :- http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=421855
Oh, Dear ..... looks like you needed help to put an engine back together?? :- http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=418546
Who were you consultant to?? Matchbox or Dinky??!! Classic!!
Well found that man
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pmsl
i certainly have not claimed to be a top engine designer, and certainly not a scooby engine designer.
and where you are coming from to get 'thanks to RCM and Bob' to 'needing help to build an engine' is a tenous link for sure.
nice try though, and very amusing. keep it up!
i certainly have not claimed to be a top engine designer, and certainly not a scooby engine designer.
and where you are coming from to get 'thanks to RCM and Bob' to 'needing help to build an engine' is a tenous link for sure.
nice try though, and very amusing. keep it up!
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Originally Posted by p1mark
pmsl
i certainly have not claimed to be a top engine designer, and certainly not a scooby engine designer.
and where you are coming from to get 'thanks to RCM and Bob' to 'needing help to build an engine' is a tenous link for sure.
nice try though, and very amusing. keep it up!
i certainly have not claimed to be a top engine designer, and certainly not a scooby engine designer.
and where you are coming from to get 'thanks to RCM and Bob' to 'needing help to build an engine' is a tenous link for sure.
nice try though, and very amusing. keep it up!
What CAD System are you using, I am genuinely interested as we are heavily into Model Based Engineering at the moment ...... and our CAD boys know everyone who is anyone in the 'Cutting Edge' Design Engineering Area.
You have been a consultant to Motosport Teams, you MUST be a high profile Engine Designer - which teams were these? FORD? SUBARU? MITSI? PEUGEOT?
Pete
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Originally Posted by pslewis
Glad you took it in the spirit it was meant
What CAD System are you using, I am genuinely interested as we are heavily into Model Based Engineering at the moment ...... and our CAD boys know everyone who is anyone in the 'Cutting Edge' Design Engineering Area.
You have been a consultant to Motosport Teams, you MUST be a high profile Engine Designer - which teams were these? FORD? SUBARU? MITSI? PEUGEOT?
Pete
What CAD System are you using, I am genuinely interested as we are heavily into Model Based Engineering at the moment ...... and our CAD boys know everyone who is anyone in the 'Cutting Edge' Design Engineering Area.
You have been a consultant to Motosport Teams, you MUST be a high profile Engine Designer - which teams were these? FORD? SUBARU? MITSI? PEUGEOT?
Pete
if you must know,
the cad system we use is pro-engineer 2001. if you can be arsed to trail through my posts for the purpose of abuse, then im sure you can do it again if you are that interested in me to find out where i currently work.
instead of stalking, why not come round for sunday lunch and a bottle of wine though you big homo bunny boiler.
it would be very unproffesional of me to mention people who i have in the past done work for as im sure you will understand.
anyway,this is well off topic, and nothing changes the fact that you should not give advice against good practices (oil priming / cleanliness etc.) because these things can only do good, not harm!
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You stated that you knew what you were talking about ..... because you have been a consultant to Motorsport Teams and are an Engine Designer.
The Engine Designers I know are using Unigraphics, you say you work for Triumph Engines .......... not sure if thats designing NEW Engines? On the cutting edge or 30 years behind the curve?
You indicate that you know more about car engines than I do, and that my advice is dangerous?? I would suggest that you are talking out of that area that should be kept in your undies!!
I take it these Motorsport Teams you have been a consultant to are, what??
Billy Smiths Racing?? (with his Triumph Herald?)
FPMSL
I think its YOU who should NOT be giving advice on modern engines .... I, on the other hand, am right there at the cutting edge, ok?
I bet you still think you need to grease your grease nipples??
Modern Engines will get the Oil Pressure up in no time at all - a few seconds!! And the Oil Film will NOT break up on the main or big-end bearings!!
Its dangerous to scare poor souls who know nothing about engineering!!
All I do know is that cranking an engine without a spark means neat petrol is getting into the CAT and is stripping the oil off the bores!!
MORE damage is done by removing the crank sensor than leaving the thing on and firing up AS SUBARU TELL YOU TO DO!!
Pete
The Engine Designers I know are using Unigraphics, you say you work for Triumph Engines .......... not sure if thats designing NEW Engines? On the cutting edge or 30 years behind the curve?
You indicate that you know more about car engines than I do, and that my advice is dangerous?? I would suggest that you are talking out of that area that should be kept in your undies!!
I take it these Motorsport Teams you have been a consultant to are, what??
Billy Smiths Racing?? (with his Triumph Herald?)
FPMSL
I think its YOU who should NOT be giving advice on modern engines .... I, on the other hand, am right there at the cutting edge, ok?
I bet you still think you need to grease your grease nipples??
Modern Engines will get the Oil Pressure up in no time at all - a few seconds!! And the Oil Film will NOT break up on the main or big-end bearings!!
Its dangerous to scare poor souls who know nothing about engineering!!
All I do know is that cranking an engine without a spark means neat petrol is getting into the CAT and is stripping the oil off the bores!!
MORE damage is done by removing the crank sensor than leaving the thing on and firing up AS SUBARU TELL YOU TO DO!!
Pete
#47
Originally Posted by pslewis
You stated that you knew what you were talking about ..... because you have been a consultant to Motorsport Teams and are an Engine Designer.
The Engine Designers I know are using Unigraphics, you say you work for Triumph Engines .......... not sure if thats designing NEW Engines? On the cutting edge or 30 years behind the curve?
You indicate that you know more about car engines than I do, and that my advice is dangerous?? I would suggest that you are talking out of that area that should be kept in your undies!!
I take it these Motorsport Teams you have been a consultant to are, what??
Billy Smiths Racing?? (with his Triumph Herald?)
FPMSL
I think its YOU who should NOT be giving advice on modern engines .... I, on the other hand, am right there at the cutting edge, ok?
I bet you still think you need to grease your grease nipples??
Modern Engines will get the Oil Pressure up in no time at all - a few seconds!! And the Oil Film will NOT break up on the main or big-end bearings!!
Its dangerous to scare poor souls who know nothing about engineering!!
All I do know is that cranking an engine without a spark means neat petrol is getting into the CAT and is stripping the oil off the bores!!
MORE damage is done by removing the crank sensor than leaving the thing on and firing up AS SUBARU TELL YOU TO DO!!
Pete
The Engine Designers I know are using Unigraphics, you say you work for Triumph Engines .......... not sure if thats designing NEW Engines? On the cutting edge or 30 years behind the curve?
You indicate that you know more about car engines than I do, and that my advice is dangerous?? I would suggest that you are talking out of that area that should be kept in your undies!!
I take it these Motorsport Teams you have been a consultant to are, what??
Billy Smiths Racing?? (with his Triumph Herald?)
FPMSL
I think its YOU who should NOT be giving advice on modern engines .... I, on the other hand, am right there at the cutting edge, ok?
I bet you still think you need to grease your grease nipples??
Modern Engines will get the Oil Pressure up in no time at all - a few seconds!! And the Oil Film will NOT break up on the main or big-end bearings!!
Its dangerous to scare poor souls who know nothing about engineering!!
All I do know is that cranking an engine without a spark means neat petrol is getting into the CAT and is stripping the oil off the bores!!
MORE damage is done by removing the crank sensor than leaving the thing on and firing up AS SUBARU TELL YOU TO DO!!
Pete
If your so up on everything engine & automotive wise, you'd know that disconnecting the crank sensor cuts the spark AND fuelling, so no bore wash or other cat-astrophe.
Plus if your so fekkin' clever, what's all this about? Dipstick
http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthread.php?t=433834
Gerry
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FACT - Subaru say that there is NO need whatsoever to disconnect anything following an Oil Change ............................. my opinion has the backing of the whole of Fuji Heavy Industries (Established on 15th July 1953) behind it - the ***** only have a bunch of geeks with B.O. (Established in a dark corner of a Real Ale Pub in September 1992) to back-up their opinions
Pete
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dear oh dear oh dear.
you must be worked up to go hunting for where i work
it really is not worth getting your back up about and to be frank your argument holds no water. oil priming wherever possible is good practice, even if the lord above says its not required.
with a bit of luck someone who knows about bikes will come along to correct you about the products and facility i am involved with but im not gonna waste my breath. suffice to say i hereby cordially invite you to take a tour round the place with me (seriously) and maybe you may think differently. do this and i will even give you the pleasure of finding out people i have worked for in the past.
i am so glad the humour in your posts indicates you do not take yourself fully seriously, an *** with personality is eminently more entertaining than an ***.
see you soon pete hopefully.
lets not carry this on here anyway. think this thread is slightly out of context now!!!!
you must be worked up to go hunting for where i work
it really is not worth getting your back up about and to be frank your argument holds no water. oil priming wherever possible is good practice, even if the lord above says its not required.
with a bit of luck someone who knows about bikes will come along to correct you about the products and facility i am involved with but im not gonna waste my breath. suffice to say i hereby cordially invite you to take a tour round the place with me (seriously) and maybe you may think differently. do this and i will even give you the pleasure of finding out people i have worked for in the past.
i am so glad the humour in your posts indicates you do not take yourself fully seriously, an *** with personality is eminently more entertaining than an ***.
see you soon pete hopefully.
lets not carry this on here anyway. think this thread is slightly out of context now!!!!
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Back on topic then ................. and its the ***** second favourite topic - the MAF Sensor.
These have a nasty habit of drifting out of tolerance and blowing up your engine .... or so they would have you believe!!
Pete
These have a nasty habit of drifting out of tolerance and blowing up your engine .... or so they would have you believe!!
Pete
#51
Originally Posted by pslewis
What???
Damage their engine by NOT carrying out the **** Oil Change Procedure??
Do me a favour, ring up your local Subaru Main Dealer and ask them if they fart about like a poxy old woman or just get on and change the oil like a friggin MAN!!?? They'll **** themselves laughing at you if you tell them they should disconnect the camsensor!!
Have a day off, FFS!!
Pete
Damage their engine by NOT carrying out the **** Oil Change Procedure??
Do me a favour, ring up your local Subaru Main Dealer and ask them if they fart about like a poxy old woman or just get on and change the oil like a friggin MAN!!?? They'll **** themselves laughing at you if you tell them they should disconnect the camsensor!!
Have a day off, FFS!!
Pete
I have a MY99 totally standard apart from PPP added 20k miles ago, now at 70k with standard intake, my MAF failed at 32k only found this out when I replaced the superb ICE unit that the car came with, had the battery disconnected for about 3 hours, when connected back up car started fine ran OK but would stall and hunt at idle on occasion’s but not all the time. Took it to a subaru garage they said they could find nothing wrong on select monitor, but I instructed them to change the MAF fault cured.
Without the help of this site I could have been looking at a new engine.
I would take note of the people in the know, you will know who they are, there is a lot of **** stuff, but there's also good advice.
#52
Originally Posted by pslewis
This MAF thing makes me chuckle ........ it gradually drifts out of tolerance .... the ECU would then react by substituting a 'safe' value and illuminating the CEL!! ............... but, no!! the ***** come back with the comment that the ECU cannot detect the MAF value as false - come on!!
What did bring the CEL on was not reconnecting it when I changed it!
The ECU patently doesnt detect that the MAF value is false, it simply makes adjustments to keep the engine running (if it can).
As for the MAF fading, its a passive electrical sensor and like all electrical devices it will over time break down and its performance will change, thats the nature of metals. Not sure of how the MAF actually senses, but I suspect its uses resistivity of the material and that changes as the material degrades.
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Originally Posted by Houghton
Yep, that 5 year old thought you were pretty astute. Wants to know if you'd like to stop wasting your talents on S/Net and join his gang.
Though seriously, maybe there's a niche for a MAF-link product....
J.
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Originally Posted by nsld
As for the MAF fading, its a passive electrical sensor and like all electrical devices it will over time break down and its performance will change,
PMSL I have a 1960's transister radio here that would take issue with your sweeping statement!! Mind you, its not picking up Radio Luxemburg llike it used to
Oh, bugger, my tansistor radio has broken down due to the passing years
What tosh is garbled on here!
Pete
#55
Originally Posted by pslewis
PMSL I have a 1960's transister radio here that would take issue with your sweeping statement!! Mind you, its not picking up Radio Luxemburg llike it used to
Pete
Pete
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#56
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Originally Posted by Houghton
Showing your age now Pete Not just a sad git but a sad old git. That explains why your brake pads last 59,000 miles and still don't need replacing Maybe your hearing's on the blink so you don't hear the scraping noise
pslewis: aka Coffin Dodger
pslewis: aka Coffin Dodger
I am getting a bit concerned over the brake pads actually, I am now approaching 60,000miles ...... even I can see thats a good distance on a car like this - but, it shows what can be done when you drive sensibly!
Pete
#57
Sw3opped my MAF on a MY99 after it ran **** poor. New MAF was significantly different to the old one so I guess they have been re engineered.
Wasnt getting a CEL either..New MAF = New Car performance.
If I bought anouther 99/00 i would thinkl 70 quid was well spent, as in the very least the 7 year old one i removed was covered in ****e, which must impede its accuracy.
BTW, does this PSLewis geezer suffer from constipation? Take a **** and relax dude
Wasnt getting a CEL either..New MAF = New Car performance.
If I bought anouther 99/00 i would thinkl 70 quid was well spent, as in the very least the 7 year old one i removed was covered in ****e, which must impede its accuracy.
BTW, does this PSLewis geezer suffer from constipation? Take a **** and relax dude
#58
Originally Posted by pslewis
Define 'over time' please ................. 20 years, 50?? 100?? 1000??
PMSL I have a 1960's transister radio here that would take issue with your sweeping statement!! Mind you, its not picking up Radio Luxemburg llike it used to
Oh, bugger, my tansistor radio has broken down due to the passing years
What tosh is garbled on here!
Pete
PMSL I have a 1960's transister radio here that would take issue with your sweeping statement!! Mind you, its not picking up Radio Luxemburg llike it used to
Oh, bugger, my tansistor radio has broken down due to the passing years
What tosh is garbled on here!
Pete
Transistors are switches which is why they have three legs. I have a rechageable black and decker drill, the battery charger went up in smoke when one of the passive electrical components died so your radio example is fairly meaningless when it comes to longevity. The drill is about 5 years old
I note you havent responded to my comment about the ECU managing the changing MAF signal or the lack of a CEL light.
It appears that my sweeping statement was that corrision exists and that things will break down over time. Please let me know if you have never had an electrical item die on you, and what your anti corrosion secrets are.
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I 'think' you'll find that the MY99 and MY00 Impreza MAFs use thick film technology - I may be wrong, but I think I'm right?
No heated wire there then, it's a resistive-temperature device(RTD) and the resistor technologies employed in these temperature sensing devices are either platinum films or proprietary nickel thin film materials.
Pete
No heated wire there then, it's a resistive-temperature device(RTD) and the resistor technologies employed in these temperature sensing devices are either platinum films or proprietary nickel thin film materials.
Pete
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Think I may regret doing this but here goes......
In my experience it is very easy to contaminate the MAF sensor on 99/00MY cars and eventually this will lead to the car running out of 'tolerance'. In some cases this is no more than uneven running, on some cars you get a small amount more performance if the deterioration is gradual but this effect may also lead to premature engine failure. This failure can be from various symptoms including burnt pistons, bearing failure or rod failure but the cause is almost exclusively det caused by contamination of the MAF sensor.
One possible cause of this contamination is oil in the breather system, a easy way to get this is overfill it with oil and then use high rpm and/or high cornering loads. Another way would be contaminants that have come from or through a non standard airfilter.
One suggestion is to treat the MAF sensor as a service item and replace it at the same time as the filter, particularly at the 60000 mile service.
On the subject of making sure that an engine has oil pressure before it starts for the first time after an oil change. We do it on our engines.......
Mike
In my experience it is very easy to contaminate the MAF sensor on 99/00MY cars and eventually this will lead to the car running out of 'tolerance'. In some cases this is no more than uneven running, on some cars you get a small amount more performance if the deterioration is gradual but this effect may also lead to premature engine failure. This failure can be from various symptoms including burnt pistons, bearing failure or rod failure but the cause is almost exclusively det caused by contamination of the MAF sensor.
One possible cause of this contamination is oil in the breather system, a easy way to get this is overfill it with oil and then use high rpm and/or high cornering loads. Another way would be contaminants that have come from or through a non standard airfilter.
One suggestion is to treat the MAF sensor as a service item and replace it at the same time as the filter, particularly at the 60000 mile service.
On the subject of making sure that an engine has oil pressure before it starts for the first time after an oil change. We do it on our engines.......
Mike
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