Dutch Murder
#31
Originally Posted by bigsinky
the brainwashing had to start somewhere. a normal run of the mill guy just dont go out and stab someone for dissing islam unless he has some pretty bad issues.
Red 5 : from what I saw, the article presents no evidence of his family current employment status or even if his parents actually spoke Dutch.
Furthermore, a cynical reader would also point out that an article posted on such a site could not be expected to be a true representation of the original. I could post something here purporting to be a copy/paste from The Economist susscription site and you wouldn't know if that was really the case or not?
One of the theories behind radicalisation is indeed that the first generation failed to integrate and therefore set a very poor example to their offspring ,who end up without any true sense of belonging. Hence the regression to fundamentalism. It's a theory to which I personally subscribe.
It is also a known fact that their children get a much better education, and are stuck between the old culture of their parents and their new country. They are also faced with blatant or covert racism/exclusion, and often start to have a real dislike for "the West". They revert to what is called "invented tradition", and become much more "fundamental" in their thinking than their parents (who often haven't got a clue about what is happening with their kids) ever were.
The "problems" in Holland & Belgium are almost never with the 1st generation, but with the better educated 2nd generation who speak fluent Dutch. The last few years however showed a massive change in that the 2nd and 3rd gen now drops out of school very early. Only 30 % of them finish with some kind of qualification, which means 70 % of those kids have no outlook in life. That is an earth shattering number IMHO.
In any case, it's clear that multi-culturalism has comprehensively failed, so social inclusion and integration is the only way forwards.
P.S. How comes you can read Dutch?
#32
Originally Posted by Chris L
No it's not - saying you're do something and actually doing it are very different things. You're arguing between whether it is 0.00001% or 0.0000001% (for example) of Muslims that have a fanatical issue or belief. The point is, it's such a small minority, you can't tar an entire belief or nation with the same brush.
Anyway, as the article I mentioned is "suspect", I'm not going to bother translating it if you don't mind. If only it would have been posted on Scoobynet first
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