Dracoro

This is exactly my point. The fighting never stops. Someone has to be the first to stop things. I agree that the palestinians have generally had the raw deal (mind you, so have the countless israelis killed by suicide bombers etc.). However, it's better to have peace than what's 'right' sometimes. something has to give, someone has to compromise. I personally don't care who does this, just hopefully someone will. You clearly think otherwise.

khany

I dont think even you really believe that.

khany

You are right Dracoro, I have no sympathy for them what so ever.

What you have to keep in prespective Dracoro is that we dont have two equally armed forces here fighting against each other......

unclebuck

Since when did the US require a mandate?!?

Oh, and Tony would back them, no question. He welcomes the increased threat of terrorism because it gives him the excuse to introduce ever more draconian powers over us.

Holy Ghost

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well i don't fancy a government comprised of loopy, anti-semitic & feverishly anti-western persians being in possession of The Bomb. it's like giving an AK47 to a psychotic shizophrenic in a locked room and expecting him to behave responsibly.

if they defy the clear weight of international opinion and make themselves a clear and present danger then they deserve all they get in my opinion. tough.

Flatcapdriver

Listen ****wit. I know comprehension isn't your strong point and you are incapable of posting without turning it into a diatribe against Blair but surely even you can understand what I mean by mandate so I'll leave you and khany to convince yourselves you're right.

Just don't go out tonight as the chances are there might be a full moon and we all know the moon is a secret American spy satellite designed to pick out dissenters on the internet - fully endorsed by Tony Blairl, to boot. Or maybe its part of the Zionist military complex which is going to lay waste to the Middle East. Either way Tony Blair must have something to do with it.

Flatcapdriver

Now I understand who those literacy adverts are aimed at. I just said that in my previous post. Whilst we're on the subject of breaking UN sanctions why don't you check to see how many the UK is in breach of?

NOTE TO SELF: Try not to use words of more than one syllable so that you don't stretch khany's comprehension abilities too much.

unclebuck

No need to get your panty hose in a twist darling

Leslie

Regime change has never been a valid reason for a pre-emptive attack on a country except as a corollary to an attack for a genuine reason such as true danger to your own country. This is why the attack on Iraq was indeed illegal in spite of all the lies which were paraded in front of us and should never be used as an excuse to do it all again.

Regime change by itself has always been down to the indigenous people of the country concerned.

Les

SiPie

Well said

Ted Maul

this year is the first year since the intifada started (1995 ?) where more palestinians have been killed by other palestinians, than by israelis.

ps most israelis and palestinians do want to live in peace together, just the minority extremists on both sides keep buggering it up for everyone.

pps - everyone knows that the palestinians were squatters in the land of the jews prior to 1948

RedFive

There is a very good book about this from Susan Nathan.


Susan Nathan

On her book, The Other Side of Israel

Emotional scenes of the Israeli army removing Jewish settlers from their homes in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank have become a familiar sight on the news the last couple of weeks.

Susan Nathan is a British Jew, once a passionate Zionist, who moved to Israel and ended up choosing to live as the only Jew in an Arab town in Galilee. She tells Jenni about her experience of what she calls "the other side of Israel ".

The Other Side of Israel by Susan Nathan, published by Harper Collins - ISBN:0007195109

AlfasudQV

Of course Iran is next. Once Bush agrees with the Saudis that they can increase their ownership of America to 30%, should imagine they will roll.

turbotroll

The tract of land known as Palestine (which was inahabited by both Jews & Arabs), was split up as a result of Balfour agreement/U.N, and as a result Israel & Trans-Jordon (now Jordon) came into being. People forget that Jordon is also in Palestine - go figure.

turboman786

Any doubters that the UK/US will next attack Iran .....watch Mr Blair's speech today...remind anyone about a certain speech about a certain rogue state that had some horrible weopons of mass destruction that they were planning on releasing on us?......

turboman786

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The Jews (zionists) are the only folk who can steal an entire country, make the indigenous people refugess, and they (the Jews/zionists) still claim THEY are the victims..absolultey wonderous masters of spin!!

RedFive

I think that was a joke. Oh well.

Brit_in_Japan

Whilst the article in the first post in undoubtedly sensational and alarmist, the scary thing is that there is a thread of truth running through it.

- Iran have stated they want to wipe Israel off the face of the map, therefore it's not completely paranoid for Israel to regard themselves as under threat
- Israel do have submarines which are capable of delivering a nuclear payload.
- Israel did attack and destroy the Iraqi Osirak nuclear facility using pre-emptive military action

I'm amazed the Iranian President, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said what he did on such a public stage. He must feel incredibly confident that he and his country's nuclear ambitions are beyond the reach, politically and militarily, of his opponents, whether domestic political opposition or the US and the international community. Might he be dangerously over confident?

Yet you can bet that such a hardline outlook will have made the US dust off their plans for taking out the Iranian nuclear facilities. I can see them shying away from invasion, they are over extended and they've made such a pig's ear of Iraq that they would not get political support at home or in the international community for such action. But a one-off mission using a mixture of precision munitions and bunker busters....? I can see there being some appetite for that.

The scary scenario would be if Israel launched an attack. That would polarise the middle east (even more than now) in an instant. I don't know if Israel has the capability to destroy Iran's nuclear facilities using conventional weapons. With nuclear weapons they could, but that would be a nightmare scenario.

Could Israel goad the US into making a conventional strike by threatening their own nuclear strike?

Of course I'm being alarmist too. But I'm sure there are some people in the US & Israeli administrations who think in this way.

Leslie

What he said was a marvellous excuse for Billy to start sounding all warlike again anyway! Don't know what with though.

Les

CrisPDuk

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Actually mate, I do. As far as I can tell, the Israelis aren't the ones who've declared that the will not rest until all arabs are erased from the earth They aren't the ones who launch unprovoked missile attacks on their neighbours They aren't the ones deliberately murdering mothers and children in schools and on buses They aren't the one demanding the return of land, then using that land to launch mortar attacks into border settlements

Also as has been raised previously, how come nobody mentions the fact that Jordan is also essentially an ancient palestinian homeland?

Ted Maul

because the facts get in the way of their hate.

turbotroll

There never has been a country called palestine, just a tract of land which was under control of the Ottoman empire, until Turkish forces were defeated by the Britsh in 1917. At that time there were 80000+ 'palestinian jews' in the land out of a multi-ethnic population of nearly 800,000 - think about that.
There are many Arabs in Israel who enjoy full Israeli citizenship, and are even members of the Knesset. Israeli businesses even employed large numbers of 'Palestinians' until the intifada. Who can also forget that Jordan washed its hands of the 'palestinians' - although you've probably never heard about that.