Bravo2zero_sps

Another prize idiot! Fallujah was hotbed of insurgents and where Zarquawi was hiding out. The civilians of Fallujah were allowed to leave through checkpoints and warnings were sent into the city telling the insurgents to give themselves up. They didn't and they held some civilians there and the US had no alternative but to do what they did in order to try and get Zarquawi. They had every reason to go in and get the insurgents who were carrying out suicide bombing every day.

If you think the US going into a city to hunt down the head of terrorism in Iraq is the same as suicide bombers in London targetting innocent civilians then you are a tw@t.

I don't see them targetting militart targets in the UK do you? No they are cowards too scared and little to fight the military, they have to target people who can't fight back or defend themselves.

Anyone who defends these ******* for what they are doing and saying its fighting a war that Bush and Blair started should be put on the first plane out of here and dropped off in Iraq where they can fight the cause there

Bravo2zero_sps

For your information the attack on Fallujah was a lot more than two months ago so him being reportedly killed two months ago has what bearing on what was said exactly? And you do seem to sound so very much like Drukenpikie, I wonder why.

As for khany perhaps re read your posts and mine and work it out for yourself. Saying stuff such as its a global war deal with it when referring to the London bombings I think makes you sound less than against what happened. Would like to see the reaction of Londoners, especially those caught up in the events two weeks ago if you were put in front of them and were made to repeat your views. Deal with it? Hardly denouncing what was done was it!?

Bravo2zero_sps

Asif I am in no way a supporter of Blair, but I do agree with the military offensives that took place and why they took place, especially Fallujah. Zarquawi had to be hunted down and thats what Fallujah was about whether it was successful or not.

The attacks on Britain are because we have shown support for the US by assisting them in Iraq and in their global policies. Iraq on its own is not the cause for these bombers, its the fact we supported the US.

Bin Laden hated Saddam and saw him as an infidel as Saddam's way of practicing Islam hardly matched upto Bin Ladens, he has no sympathy for him and what happened in Iraq, it is merely a vehicle for him to stir up hatred agains the US and its supporters.

Americans were being bombed by Al Quaeda well before the Iraq war. Bin Laden and his cronies have been at the US for a long time because of their presence in Saudi and because of their allegiance with the Saudi regime which Bin Laden detests with a passion. They have been bombed in the gulf for a long time, whether it be embassies or war ships or military bases.

Bin Laden has managed to spread his terror network out of the gulf region to all parts which is why we are now seeing attacks outside of the gulf region to Europe and Indonesia where supports of the US can be punished such as Australians in Bali and the Spanish and the Brits on home turf.

Were the Brits hit first? No. Bali and Madrid were. This is not about Blair no matter what his failures are and I agree he has a lot of them. Its about anyone who has shown support for the US.

As for Islam being around so long yet attacks only relatively recently this boils down to the creation of Bin Laden and Al Quaeda and using Islam and its Holy War as an excuse to commit the attrocities they have. All of the attacks that have taken place all lead back to Bin Laden, none of them have been down to Muslim groups showing hatred, its extremist groups using Islam to hide behind to try and gain support for thier cause. Any true Muslim denounces what they have done as it goes against the fundamental principles of their religion.

And I never said send anyone to Iraq for blaming Blair. I said send any sympathisers of the terrorists and their cause should be sent to Iraq.

Bravo2zero_sps

Peter as a nation we haven't gained anything physically, although there will be those who say millions of barrels of oil. What we have done though is remove from power a mass murderer, someone who has a record of using biological and chemical weapons on both his own people and others who he has gone to war with like Iran and who could have used them again to get back at the US for the first Gulf war and any of its supporters.

What I will admit though is that it was mismanged (and yes i know thats the mother of all understatements). I am personally glad that the Taliban are no longer in charge of Afghanistan and that Saddam is no longer in charge of Iraq but the way in which it was undertaken was wrong. If you compare the British troops attitude to their job to that attitude of the US troops then that pretty much shows where I think it all went wrong. The US failed to do a professional job, they were gung ho about it and that has cost everyone dearly. Resentment has arisen from their behaviour. Why was it that UK troops in Basra were treated very differently by the locals than the US troops furhter north. Because the US troops acted unprofessionally.

When looking at the Iraq situation though do you see normal civilian Iraqis blowing themselves up at checkpoints? No, its the work of insurgents and extremists. If it was Iraqi civilians then I would say that pulling out now was the only option. The fact is its not normal Iraqis, its terrorists brought in from surrounding nations such as Syria, Afghanistan, Jordan etc. For example Zarquawi, what business is it of his, he is Jordanian ffs, he is there purely to fight the US for being the US, not because they are in Iraq and he is an Iraqi fighting invaders as so many seem to believe is the cause. I just hope Zarquawi is dead and that his death was excrutiatingly painful and he had no access to medical supplies during his death.

The fact is now its going to take years to get a stable Government in place in both Afghanistan and Iraq. It might be years but when it happens it will be a massive improvement for the people of Afghanistan and Iraq compared to what they would have still had without military intervention.