SUSPECTED BOMBER SHOT ...SKY CITING POLICE SOURCES
22 July 2005, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by hedgehog
Now that Tony and Red Ken are facing the possibility of a dirty bomb in London they will go running to talk to any terrorist organisation who will speak with them. In turn this becomes a catch 22 situation.
22 July 2005, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by hedgehog
I didn't say it was "easy" in the sense of organising the attack. However, the leadership have shown themselves willing to impart international political legitimacy upon terrorist organisations. In the end this is what terror is about, in a military sense they can't beat the UK or the US but if they become a political force with international support (look how some elements of Irish terrorism used American support to increase their political power for example) then their support base will increase and their apparent power will increase. This is how a small number of volunteers willing to bomb, shoot and die can easily change the political landscape in the face of weak leadership such as Red Ken and Blair. When you see them on the TV with their long faces it is important to remember that it was them who brought this upon London.
Now that Tony and Red Ken are facing the possibility of a dirty bomb in London they will go running to talk to any terrorist organisation who will speak with them. In turn this becomes a catch 22 situation.
Now that Tony and Red Ken are facing the possibility of a dirty bomb in London they will go running to talk to any terrorist organisation who will speak with them. In turn this becomes a catch 22 situation.
22 July 2005, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by andrewdelvard
They've just taken a dog patrol into the mosque. There will be hell to pay for that. Muslims won't have dogs in their homes let alone a mosque.
If that's all they've got to worry about then it's a pretty good day.
22 July 2005, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
Ah the Mosque is just done the road from my office at Whitechapel, explains the police helis overhead then. Hope they get the b4stards hiding out in there.
22 July 2005, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by paul-s
apparantly there was a bomb threat against the mosque so they cleared the area. according to sky
22 July 2005, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by dmc1980
You couldnt be further from the trurth there, these fantatics would be doing this anyway, invasion or not. 9/11 was before the iraq invasion. People keep blaming this on it and its bull, these nuts would be doing this anyway
22 July 2005, 11:47 AM
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"An earlier bomb threat targeting a mosque in east London has been given the all-clear by police."
Sounds like it was suspect bomb at this mosque rather than hiding terrorists. just taken this from Skynews.com
Sounds like it was suspect bomb at this mosque rather than hiding terrorists. just taken this from Skynews.com
22 July 2005, 11:47 AM
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The officers who chased the suspect into the station have got some guts thats for sure, thinking this guy was about to detonate a bomb and they had to catch him - makes you think what would be going through your mind if it was you. Too right they shot him 5 times, you wouldn't want to be pinning him down while he reaches for the detonator button!
22 July 2005, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
So plain-clothes armed police just happened to be hanging around Stockwell?
22 July 2005, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
So plain-clothes armed police just happened to be hanging around Stockwell?
22 July 2005, 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
The officers who chased the suspect into the station have got some guts thats for sure, thinking this guy was about to detonate a bomb and they had to catch him - makes you think what would be going through your mind if it was you. Too right they shot him 5 times, you wouldn't want to be pinning him down while he reaches for the detonator button!
22 July 2005, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Bet theyve been hanging around all tube stations at the mo, wouldnt suprise me anyhow
I'm not one for conspiracy theories but I suspect that Jasey is closer the mark.
Edited to add - They were definitely out mob-handed in day-glow jackets around Warren Street and Great Portland Street stations this morning.
22 July 2005, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
The officers who chased the suspect into the station have got some guts thats for sure, thinking this guy was about to detonate a bomb and they had to catch him - makes you think what would be going through your mind if it was you. Too right they shot him 5 times, you wouldn't want to be pinning him down while he reaches for the detonator button!
damn right
22 July 2005, 11:51 AM
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anyone in any of the forces whether it be police, army, navy, etc etc have my utmost respect as they do a job which I couldn't.
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Totally agree with you. Hope we don't have a case of mistaken identity on our hands, though.
22 July 2005, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Suresh
Totally agree with you. Hope we don't have a case of mistaken identity on our hands, though.
22 July 2005, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by **************
The officers who chased the suspect into the station have got some guts thats for sure, thinking this guy was about to detonate a bomb and they had to catch him - makes you think what would be going through your mind if it was you. Too right they shot him 5 times, you wouldn't want to be pinning him down while he reaches for the detonator button!
Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I was sitting on the train reading my paper.
"I heard a load of noise, people saying, 'Get out, get down'!
"I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers.
"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him.
"I saw the gun being fired five times into the guy - he's dead." Passenger Briony Coetsee said: "We were on the Tube and then we suddenly heard someone say, 'Get out, get out' and then we heard gunshots."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm
22 July 2005, 11:56 AM
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I also wondered what made them chase him. Did they have intelligence on him or was it because he ran ? Apparantly he had a thick padded jacket on, unusual for hot weather ?
22 July 2005, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dmc1980
You couldnt be further from the trurth there, these fantatics would be doing this anyway, invasion or not. 9/11 was before the iraq invasion. People keep blaming this on it and its bull, these nuts would be doing this anyway
I would suggest that any city where the Mayor has been a keen supporter of terror and the PM invites known terrorists for tea would be a good place to start in such a quest. They'll not take much softening up.
Of course the invasion is a useful recruiting tool, of that there is no doubt, and there is a long tradition of martyrs dying for their country so it works in the favour of the terrorist. However, as you say, it is likely that plans for this action have been in place for some time. There have, for example, been close ties between Irish and Arab terrorists and countries (Lybia supplied arms to the IRA for example and Israel had connections with Loyalist terrorists) for a long time now so there are strategic alliances in place that have been developed over years, decades even. If I were an Aarb terrorist wanting to bring explosives, or a dirty bomb, into London then I would bring it in through Ireland (where security is low key and an Arab terror threat low) using existing supply and transport networks developed over years of struggle against the British and I would use alliances I had forged in the past to help me get it in. This is no amazing insight on my part, it is just a simple logical approach using the resources available to the terrorist.
22 July 2005, 11:59 AM
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Interesting thing - what are your options as an armed police officer running down a suspected suicide bomber?
- Try to identify if he actually is a bomber?
- Try to disable the guy?
- Try to kill the guy before he detonates the suspected bomb?
You really are in a lose-lose situation because if the guy is a bomber he is intent on killing himself and others so you need to shoot and kill the guy or totally disable him when he is away from anybody. Unfortunately if he turns out to be just a fare-dodger then it's a pretty heavy burden to bear.
I have to agree, these guys have my total admiration for a job I could just not do!
- Try to identify if he actually is a bomber?
- Try to disable the guy?
- Try to kill the guy before he detonates the suspected bomb?
You really are in a lose-lose situation because if the guy is a bomber he is intent on killing himself and others so you need to shoot and kill the guy or totally disable him when he is away from anybody. Unfortunately if he turns out to be just a fare-dodger then it's a pretty heavy burden to bear.
I have to agree, these guys have my total admiration for a job I could just not do!
22 July 2005, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by andrewdelvard
They've just taken a dog patrol into the mosque. There will be hell to pay for that. Muslims won't have dogs in their homes let alone a mosque.
22 July 2005, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by King Eric
Reports of two more men arrested in Westminster carrying rucksacks....no idea what source, just been told
Australia anyone?
Australia anyone?
22 July 2005, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by khany
According to eye witness on the train they bundled on top of him:
Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I was sitting on the train reading my paper.
"I heard a load of noise, people saying, 'Get out, get down'!
"I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers.
"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him.
"I saw the gun being fired five times into the guy - he's dead." Passenger Briony Coetsee said: "We were on the Tube and then we suddenly heard someone say, 'Get out, get out' and then we heard gunshots."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm
Mr Whitby, told BBC News: "I was sitting on the train reading my paper.
"I heard a load of noise, people saying, 'Get out, get down'!
"I saw an Asian guy run onto the train hotly pursued by three plain-clothes police officers.
"One of them was carrying a black handgun - it looked like an automatic - they pushed him to the floor, bundled on top of him and unloaded five shots into him.
"I saw the gun being fired five times into the guy - he's dead." Passenger Briony Coetsee said: "We were on the Tube and then we suddenly heard someone say, 'Get out, get out' and then we heard gunshots."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm
22 July 2005, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by hedgehog
You will note that I didn't mention an invasion, I believe that the groups involved now feel they are in a position to need international infulence and that they have the infrastructure in place to deliver this, as pointed out that is what terrorism is about. So, they are going to use a small military force to gain political infulence and control over democratic majorities that they do not deserve and they are going to use weak or sympathetic governments to deliver this. To achive this they have to soften those weak governments up a little.
I would suggest that any city where the Mayor has been a keen supporter of terror and the PM invites known terrorists for tea would be a good place to start in such a quest. They'll not take much softening up.
Of course the invasion is a useful recruiting tool, of that there is no doubt, and there is a long tradition of martyrs dying for their country so it works in the favour of the terrorist. However, as you say, it is likely that plans for this action have been in place for some time. There have, for example, been close ties between Irish and Arab terrorists and countries (Lybia supplied arms to the IRA for example and Israel had connections with Loyalist terrorists) for a long time now so there are strategic alliances in place that have been developed over years, decades even. If I were an Aarb terrorist wanting to bring explosives, or a dirty bomb, into London then I would bring it in through Ireland (where security is low key and an Arab terror threat low) using existing supply and transport networks developed over years of struggle against the British and I would use alliances I had forged in the past to help me get it in. This is no amazing insight on my part, it is just a simple logical approach using the resources available to the terrorist.
I would suggest that any city where the Mayor has been a keen supporter of terror and the PM invites known terrorists for tea would be a good place to start in such a quest. They'll not take much softening up.
Of course the invasion is a useful recruiting tool, of that there is no doubt, and there is a long tradition of martyrs dying for their country so it works in the favour of the terrorist. However, as you say, it is likely that plans for this action have been in place for some time. There have, for example, been close ties between Irish and Arab terrorists and countries (Lybia supplied arms to the IRA for example and Israel had connections with Loyalist terrorists) for a long time now so there are strategic alliances in place that have been developed over years, decades even. If I were an Aarb terrorist wanting to bring explosives, or a dirty bomb, into London then I would bring it in through Ireland (where security is low key and an Arab terror threat low) using existing supply and transport networks developed over years of struggle against the British and I would use alliances I had forged in the past to help me get it in. This is no amazing insight on my part, it is just a simple logical approach using the resources available to the terrorist.