SUSPECTED BOMBER SHOT ...SKY CITING POLICE SOURCES
22 July 2005, 12:04 PM
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Originally Posted by SPEN555
Don't mess about, if they run just kill em' stone dead.
Certainly sends a message back to them we aren't putting up with this $hite.
I suppose its one less Asian in Britain hey!
22 July 2005, 12:06 PM
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Originally Posted by khany
What if its a case of mistaken identity?
I suppose its one less Asian in Britain hey!
I suppose its one less Asian in Britain hey!
Of course not, but it may perhaps show everyone that the Police will not mess around. And if you are asked to stop, then running away will have serious consequences.
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22 July 2005, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by andrewdelvard
They've just taken a dog patrol into the mosque. There will be hell to pay for that. Muslims won't have dogs in their homes let alone a mosque.
22 July 2005, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by khany
What if its a case of mistaken identity?
I suppose its one less Asian in Britain hey!
I suppose its one less Asian in Britain hey!
22 July 2005, 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by fitzscoob
Is that a bad thing if the guy is proved to have had a bomb?
22 July 2005, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by khany
What if its a case of mistaken identity?
I suppose its one less Asian in Britain hey!
I suppose its one less Asian in Britain hey!
Doesn't matter if he's Asian or not
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22 July 2005, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by boxst
Hello
Of course not, but it may perhaps show everyone that the Police will not mess around. And if you are asked to stop, then running away will have serious consequences.
Steve
Of course not, but it may perhaps show everyone that the Police will not mess around. And if you are asked to stop, then running away will have serious consequences.
Steve
22 July 2005, 12:12 PM
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Originally Posted by hedgehog
You will note that I didn't mention an invasion, I believe that the groups involved now feel they are in a position to need international infulence and that they have the infrastructure in place to deliver this, as pointed out that is what terrorism is about. So, they are going to use a small military force to gain political infulence and control over democratic majorities that they do not deserve and they are going to use weak or sympathetic governments to deliver this. To achive this they have to soften those weak governments up a little.
I would suggest that any city where the Mayor has been a keen supporter of terror and the PM invites known terrorists for tea would be a good place to start in such a quest. They'll not take much softening up.
Of course the invasion is a useful recruiting tool, of that there is no doubt, and there is a long tradition of martyrs dying for their country so it works in the favour of the terrorist. However, as you say, it is likely that plans for this action have been in place for some time. There have, for example, been close ties between Irish and Arab terrorists and countries (Lybia supplied arms to the IRA for example and Israel had connections with Loyalist terrorists) for a long time now so there are strategic alliances in place that have been developed over years, decades even. If I were an Aarb terrorist wanting to bring explosives, or a dirty bomb, into London then I would bring it in through Ireland (where security is low key and an Arab terror threat low) using existing supply and transport networks developed over years of struggle against the British and I would use alliances I had forged in the past to help me get it in. This is no amazing insight on my part, it is just a simple logical approach using the resources available to the terrorist.
I would suggest that any city where the Mayor has been a keen supporter of terror and the PM invites known terrorists for tea would be a good place to start in such a quest. They'll not take much softening up.
Of course the invasion is a useful recruiting tool, of that there is no doubt, and there is a long tradition of martyrs dying for their country so it works in the favour of the terrorist. However, as you say, it is likely that plans for this action have been in place for some time. There have, for example, been close ties between Irish and Arab terrorists and countries (Lybia supplied arms to the IRA for example and Israel had connections with Loyalist terrorists) for a long time now so there are strategic alliances in place that have been developed over years, decades even. If I were an Aarb terrorist wanting to bring explosives, or a dirty bomb, into London then I would bring it in through Ireland (where security is low key and an Arab terror threat low) using existing supply and transport networks developed over years of struggle against the British and I would use alliances I had forged in the past to help me get it in. This is no amazing insight on my part, it is just a simple logical approach using the resources available to the terrorist.
Picture this: President Khatami of Iran occupies GB. British lads get pissed off, contact ex-pats in Iran, Iran gets bombed a bit, makes Khatami rethink their occupation of our land, bombers are heroes.
Seriously, what the **** did you expect?
22 July 2005, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by khany
not at all I was just pointing out to Bravo2Zero that a eye witness said they bundled on top of him.....as he is a expert in these matters he stated you wouldnt want to pin a suspected bomber down incase he reached for the self destruct button.
the officers made a decision to a bundle the man to the ground then terminate the threat quickly (5 shots) by getting hold of him presumably the way he would detonate using his arms would be negated.
i'm sure they have been trained for this type of eventuality but in the heat of the moment split second decisions are difficult to make "by the book"
total respect for their decisions (as long as he was a bomber)
also if you pinned the bomber down and he did detonate the three officers would certainly of died BUT they would have taken the majority of the blast(depending on size of bomb etc) potentially saving innocent bystanders.
Incredibly brave in my opinion
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22 July 2005, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
During the second world, after Germany had occupied France, were the "resistence" terrorists? No, they were the resistance. I am white, British, liberal, male who would stand and fight for this country if called upon. I just think we need to remember that when you start invading coutries, they're inclined to fight back.
Picture this: President Khatami of Iran occupies GB. British lads get pissed off, contact ex-pats in Iran, Iran gets bombed a bit, makes Khatami rethink their occupation of our land, bombers are heroes.
Seriously, what the **** did you expect?
Picture this: President Khatami of Iran occupies GB. British lads get pissed off, contact ex-pats in Iran, Iran gets bombed a bit, makes Khatami rethink their occupation of our land, bombers are heroes.
Seriously, what the **** did you expect?
22 July 2005, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
They arent Iraqis though are they; theyre British traitors. Considering that this is the case then we should hang them.
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22 July 2005, 12:19 PM
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Originally Posted by khany
not at all I was just pointing out to Bravo2Zero that a eye witness said they bundled on top of him.....as he is a expert in these matters he stated you wouldnt want to pin a suspected bomber down incase he reached for the self destruct button.
I was merely stating that the blokes that do this for a job have got far more ***** than most to risk their lives in such a way.
22 July 2005, 12:20 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
During the second world, after Germany had occupied France, were the "resistence" terrorists? No, they were the resistance. I am white, British, liberal, male who would stand and fight for this country if called upon. I just think we need to remember that when you start invading coutries, they're inclined to fight back.
Picture this: President Khatami of Iran occupies GB. British lads get pissed off, contact ex-pats in Iran, Iran gets bombed a bit, makes Khatami rethink their occupation of our land, bombers are heroes.
Seriously, what the **** did you expect?
Picture this: President Khatami of Iran occupies GB. British lads get pissed off, contact ex-pats in Iran, Iran gets bombed a bit, makes Khatami rethink their occupation of our land, bombers are heroes.
Seriously, what the **** did you expect?
22 July 2005, 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by hawkthescoobslayer
even I probably the one of the most un-pc people on this board realise you are completely and utterly wrong. This sh{t started BEFORE we "invaded" them.
22 July 2005, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
When was Britain previously on the end of Muslim Suicide Bombers?
Secondly 911 certainly wasn't due to an "invasion" of iraq.
Iraq had already been severly "butt f()cked" by us during the gulf war!!! maybe THAT was the reason for this then ??
22 July 2005, 12:27 PM
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Getting into bed with the Yanks has it's benefits.
It also brings with it certain risks.
Plain & Simple !
The Issue is what Tony's gonna do about it. My guess is that he will stand down and let some other poor bu66er try and sort it all out !
It also brings with it certain risks.
Plain & Simple !
The Issue is what Tony's gonna do about it. My guess is that he will stand down and let some other poor bu66er try and sort it all out !
22 July 2005, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jasey
Getting into bed with the Yanks has it's benefits.
It also brings with it certain risks.
Plain & Simple !
The Issue is what Tony's gonna do about it. My guess is that he will stand down and let some other poor bu66er try and sort it all out !
It also brings with it certain risks.
Plain & Simple !
The Issue is what Tony's gonna do about it. My guess is that he will stand down and let some other poor bu66er try and sort it all out !
this is when politics becomes a nightmare
22 July 2005, 12:35 PM
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"Secondly 911 certainly wasn't due to an "invasion" of iraq."
It was as a reult of American Imperialism - cultural, philosophical and military
We did a cost/benefit anlysis when invited to stand "shoulder to shoulder" with the Americans.
Benefits - bedfellows with the worlds foremost (some would argue ONLY) superpower
Costs - we become a target
It was as a reult of American Imperialism - cultural, philosophical and military
We did a cost/benefit anlysis when invited to stand "shoulder to shoulder" with the Americans.
Benefits - bedfellows with the worlds foremost (some would argue ONLY) superpower
Costs - we become a target
22 July 2005, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by jasey
The Issue is what Tony's gonna do about it. My guess is that he will stand down and let some other poor bu66er try and sort it all out !
22 July 2005, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by hawkthescoobslayer
even I probably the one of the most un-pc people on this board realise you are completely and utterly wrong. This sh{t started BEFORE we "invaded" them.
Iraq (Gulf war 2)
Afghanistan
Iraq (Gulf War 1)
Iraq - Brits
Palestine - Post WW2
Crusades from around 1000 AD onwards
Take your pick
22 July 2005, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
It was as a reult of American Imperialism - cultural, philosophical and military
We did a cost/benefit anlysis when invited to stand "shoulder to shoulder" with the Americans.
Benefits - bedfellows with the worlds foremost (some would argue ONLY) superpower
Costs - we become a target
22 July 2005, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by khany
????
That sentence you have quoted is saying you would shoot him dead as soon as you have pinned him down on the basis that you wouldn't want to be pinning him down and waiting for back up giving him the opportunity to set the bomb off.
You telling me they shouldn't have shot him?
22 July 2005, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
I thought Iraq was invaded AFTER 9/11? (forgetting the orginal gulf war)
Afganistan was invaded straight after not Iraq
Afganistan was invaded straight after not Iraq
22 July 2005, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
Which invasion?
Iraq (Gulf war 2)
Afghanistan
Iraq (Gulf War 1)
Iraq - Brits
Palestine - Post WW2
Crusades from around 1000 AD onwards
Take your pick
Iraq (Gulf war 2)
Afghanistan
Iraq (Gulf War 1)
Iraq - Brits
Palestine - Post WW2
Crusades from around 1000 AD onwards
Take your pick
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