SUSPECTED BOMBER SHOT ...SKY CITING POLICE SOURCES
22 July 2005, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Brendan Hughes
FCD, I really hope you're being sarcastic...
22 July 2005, 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
You have clearly missed the point. You have taken this literally, which, I have to say, is a bit silly.
Emotions and the ability to think rationally really don't mix do they?
Emotions and the ability to think rationally really don't mix do they?
in there, I was being ironic. Of course I know there isnt huge communities of ex-pat brits living in Iraq/Iran (they're all in Spain )
22 July 2005, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
During the second world, after Germany had occupied France, were the "resistence" terrorists? No, they were the resistance. I am white, British, liberal, male who would stand and fight for this country if called upon. I just think we need to remember that when you start invading coutries, they're inclined to fight back.
Picture this: President Khatami of Iran occupies GB. British lads get pissed off, contact ex-pats in Iran, Iran gets bombed a bit, makes Khatami rethink their occupation of our land, bombers are heroes.
Seriously, what the **** did you expect?
Picture this: President Khatami of Iran occupies GB. British lads get pissed off, contact ex-pats in Iran, Iran gets bombed a bit, makes Khatami rethink their occupation of our land, bombers are heroes.
Seriously, what the **** did you expect?
but this is a different issue mate, these boys r brits, its treason aint it
im all for resistance but not against your own country
22 July 2005, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry
Did Jtaylor say that dreamweaver? Or are you being obtuse?
No, he said what if the UK was invaded by Iran, would the indiginous population captilulate? **** off they would, they'd fight, I know I would
No, he said what if the UK was invaded by Iran, would the indiginous population captilulate? **** off they would, they'd fight, I know I would
This reminds me of football hooligans. Exactly the same in every way, like beer, fighting are nationalistic and partisan, hot headed, even share the same taste in headware (ok, bad example). All this and they really fcukin' hate each other.
22 July 2005, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by khany
What if its a case of mistaken identity?
I suppose its one less Asian in Britain hey!
I suppose its one less Asian in Britain hey!
He deseved to be shot!
Maybe ur as thick as a suicide bomber in not being able to distinguish that?
22 July 2005, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
Well in that case we both regularly mis understand each others posts then. The problem with you saying sarcastically that we should shoot all Asians just to make sure is intimating that we as a society are associating all Asians with whats been happening.
The facts is we arn't (although there will be a small minority in the UK that are too thick to realise this and think it is all Asians) but when the suicide bombers of two weeks ago were of Asian decent and the bombers seen yesterday were of Asian decent then an Asian man who has been shouted at by the police to stop and doesn't and runs for a Tube train is going to arouse severe suspicion to the point where it is safer to shoot him than risk the lives of all those around him. People don't run from the police if they have nothing to hide, and if they do then they are incredibly stupid and naive to not know what they are risking hapenning to them.
The facts is we arn't (although there will be a small minority in the UK that are too thick to realise this and think it is all Asians) but when the suicide bombers of two weeks ago were of Asian decent and the bombers seen yesterday were of Asian decent then an Asian man who has been shouted at by the police to stop and doesn't and runs for a Tube train is going to arouse severe suspicion to the point where it is safer to shoot him than risk the lives of all those around him. People don't run from the police if they have nothing to hide, and if they do then they are incredibly stupid and naive to not know what they are risking hapenning to them.
Its like after the Bradford Riots......asians were involved there and it brought nothing but more hate towards us...........espicailly if you lived in Bradford like me you could notice the change in atmosphere and mood, but this is 10 times worse for the asian population as a whole in Britain.
22 July 2005, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by moses
i agree with u 100% everyone has a right to defend their country and strike back the same way their countries were invaded and people butchered
but this is a different issue mate, these boys r brits, its treason aint it
im all for resistance but not against your own country
but this is a different issue mate, these boys r brits, its treason aint it
im all for resistance but not against your own country
22 July 2005, 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by moses
i agree with u 100% everyone has a right to defend their country and strike back the same way their countries were invaded and people butchered
but this is a different issue mate, these boys r brits, its treason aint it
im all for resistance but not against your own country
but this is a different issue mate, these boys r brits, its treason aint it
im all for resistance but not against your own country
If someone invades you're country you have every right to fight back, but we are being hit by our own countrymen that are sympathetic to their parents fatherland.
22 July 2005, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Angry
Well hidden.
I dont see that having a more multicultural society than Iran would preclude the populous from standing up and fighting against an invading agressor.
I dont see that having a more multicultural society than Iran would preclude the populous from standing up and fighting against an invading agressor.
I think the point here is that it would be far, far harder for a white "resistance" movement to operate in Iran on the basis that they would be unable to operate covertly.
22 July 2005, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by hawkthescoobslayer
it wasn't BUT surely you've felt the tensions rising over the past few years extremists have been encouraging this sort of thing to happen
Secondly 911 certainly wasn't due to an "invasion" of iraq.
Iraq had already been severly "butt f()cked" by us during the gulf war!!! maybe THAT was the reason for this then ??
Secondly 911 certainly wasn't due to an "invasion" of iraq.
Iraq had already been severly "butt f()cked" by us during the gulf war!!! maybe THAT was the reason for this then ??
wrong your so naive aint u
iraq had suffered sanctions and madeline albright said 500,000 civilians dying coz of it was a price worth paying
and also the usa occupation of saudi arabia a holy land long time before 9/11
did u know when saddam invaded kuwait, the usa did nothing and asked saddam to go back, they were happy in a way more oil by their own boogie man and for them to suck off more oil
but hey saddam went nasty and said no and im gonna invade saudia arabia, u are selling your oil to cheap etc to the west and hey it all kicked off from their and some other stuff
and the blind support of israeli aggression didnt stop, usa is controlled by the zionist lobby zionist jew and zionist born agains
22 July 2005, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
But in they're eyes they are Muslims who have been called to Jihad. Just because their parents chose to come to Britain, does not make them inherently British.
I was born in Britain, I am British.
22 July 2005, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by SPEN555
Quick to jump on the racism crap, but why hurdle barriers from armed police???
He deseved to be shot!
Maybe ur as thick as a suicide bomber in not being able to distinguish that?
He deseved to be shot!
Maybe ur as thick as a suicide bomber in not being able to distinguish that?
Thanks for your love.....
22 July 2005, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
But in they're eyes they are Muslims who have been called to Jihad. Just because their parents chose to come to Britain, does not make them inherently British.
22 July 2005, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Really?
I think the point here is that it would be far, far harder for a white "resistance" movement to operate in Iran on the basis that they would be unable to operate covertly.
I think the point here is that it would be far, far harder for a white "resistance" movement to operate in Iran on the basis that they would be unable to operate covertly.
Glad at least some people can understand my ramblings
22 July 2005, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by khany
Dont worry mate...I'm a harmless asian form West Yorkshire.....the only thing I care about is making my car go faster like most of the asians where I live.
Off topic point: This so called muslim council of Britain is a farce......they have no control over the young muslims.....they are self elected morons. Grow a beard and speak poor english and you can get on there. Hope the British public are not putting all their hopes on them to help sort out these british fundamentalists.
Off topic point: This so called muslim council of Britain is a farce......they have no control over the young muslims.....they are self elected morons. Grow a beard and speak poor english and you can get on there. Hope the British public are not putting all their hopes on them to help sort out these british fundamentalists.
isb and mcb r **** bros i luv mab they represent us and so does dr azim tamimi
22 July 2005, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Really?
I think the point here is that it would be far, far harder for a white "resistance" movement to operate in Iran on the basis that they would be unable to operate covertly.
I think the point here is that it would be far, far harder for a white "resistance" movement to operate in Iran on the basis that they would be unable to operate covertly.
22 July 2005, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Really?
I think the point here is that it would be far, far harder for a white "resistance" movement to operate in Iran on the basis that they would be unable to operate covertly.
I think the point here is that it would be far, far harder for a white "resistance" movement to operate in Iran on the basis that they would be unable to operate covertly.
22 July 2005, 01:23 PM
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Having waded through this entire thread, I think that the most sensible and telling posts throughout have been made by JTaylor.
It really is stupid and unfair to assume that the man who was shot was actually guilty of being a "bomber" regardless of his reported actions. Certainly most unpleasant to wish him a painful death until he is actually proved to have been guilty.
I think the men who pinned him down were extremely brave however if they really believed him to be carrying explosives. I imagine that if the dead man is proved to be innocent then "Phoney" will have them in front of an international court in a couple of years!
Without any wish to excuse the atrocities carried out in London, I think that JTaylor's simile to what we would do in case of invasion and occupation by another power is absolutely valid. Think back to SOE and related organisations during WW2.
His referral to the authorities actually wanting a so called evil force to pit the country against is also worth consideration. Great excuse for passing laws to restrict our liberties of course. The author G Orwell was a far seeing man and that is part of the scenario in "1984". As well as everything else in that book and also the preceding years demonstrated by "Animal Farm" which is about where we are at the moment.
Les
It really is stupid and unfair to assume that the man who was shot was actually guilty of being a "bomber" regardless of his reported actions. Certainly most unpleasant to wish him a painful death until he is actually proved to have been guilty.
I think the men who pinned him down were extremely brave however if they really believed him to be carrying explosives. I imagine that if the dead man is proved to be innocent then "Phoney" will have them in front of an international court in a couple of years!
Without any wish to excuse the atrocities carried out in London, I think that JTaylor's simile to what we would do in case of invasion and occupation by another power is absolutely valid. Think back to SOE and related organisations during WW2.
His referral to the authorities actually wanting a so called evil force to pit the country against is also worth consideration. Great excuse for passing laws to restrict our liberties of course. The author G Orwell was a far seeing man and that is part of the scenario in "1984". As well as everything else in that book and also the preceding years demonstrated by "Animal Farm" which is about where we are at the moment.
Les
22 July 2005, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Then, quite bluntly, they should **** off back to where their preceeding generations originated from and cut out the hypocracy.
22 July 2005, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
But in they're eyes they are Muslims who have been called to Jihad. Just because their parents chose to come to Britain, does not make them inherently British.
goes against the law of God and the prophets sayings mate
i will try to find the rulings mate and post them and the prophet peace be upon him said, something like this, if u live in a country u have no right to fight that country even if its fighting with muslims unless u revoke your citizenship and migrate to the other country then u can fight against injustice otherwise u cant
if u look back in history, the christians and pagans who had a peace pact with the muslims even when the christians and muslims were in war, never ever got touched ( the peace pact christians)
22 July 2005, 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by hawkthescoobslayer
some interesting points of view in there, i'm sure I once read that of all the wars on the planet 80%+ were religous based or something iirc
22 July 2005, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Dream Weaver
Hooray, thank you moses, this is what I was trying to get across to JTaylor and Angry.
If someone invades you're country you have every right to fight back, but we are being hit by our own countrymen that are sympathetic to their parents fatherland.
If someone invades you're country you have every right to fight back, but we are being hit by our own countrymen that are sympathetic to their parents fatherland.
i agree if they have a problem with this country instead of attacking their own fatherland which is britain they should revoke their citizenship according to islamic law and then fight the unjust but not while living their and are in security of the country that gave them birth, its like attacking your mother after after 9 months of bringing u up in her tummy and then all your yrs and feeding and educating u and giving u luv
one more thing dream
do u know drug dealers in the uk all colours r commiting treason too by harming and killing their own people slowly
what do we do of them i think we should slay them as well
22 July 2005, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Then, quite bluntly, they should **** off back to where their preceeding generations originated from and cut out the hypocracy.
22 July 2005, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
somebody translate that for me please 
isb are the islamic society of britain and mcb the muslim council of britain
they got their heads so stuch up blairs **** and dont tell him the way things r , their all in agreement that their full of **** and also mc guys more interested in becoming a sir, he just got knighted by the queen, my ****
mab muslim association of britain, r brilliant, they represent the muslim youth not those old scraggy uncle toms of isb and mcb
only guy i like from the isb is zaki badawi, he is so cool
22 July 2005, 01:33 PM
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Originally Posted by moses
i agree if they have a problem with this country instead of attacking their own fatherland which is britain they should revoke their citizenship according to islamic law and then fight the unjust but not while living their and are in security of the country that gave them birth, its like attacking your mother after after 9 months of bringing u up in her tummy and then all your yrs and feeding and educating u and giving u luv
one more thing dream
do u know drug dealers in the uk all colours r commiting treason too by harming and killing their own people slowly
what do we do of them i think we should slay them as well
one more thing dream
do u know drug dealers in the uk all colours r commiting treason too by harming and killing their own people slowly
what do we do of them i think we should slay them as well
22 July 2005, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by moses
goes against the law of God and the prophets sayings mate
i will try to find the rulings mate and post them and the prophet peace be upon him said, something like this, if u live in a country u have no right to fight that country even if its fighting with muslims unless u revoke your citizenship and migrate to the other country then u can fight against injustice otherwise u cant
if u look back in history, the christians and pagans who had a peace pact with the muslims even when the christians and muslims were in war, never ever got touched ( the peace pact christians)
i will try to find the rulings mate and post them and the prophet peace be upon him said, something like this, if u live in a country u have no right to fight that country even if its fighting with muslims unless u revoke your citizenship and migrate to the other country then u can fight against injustice otherwise u cant
if u look back in history, the christians and pagans who had a peace pact with the muslims even when the christians and muslims were in war, never ever got touched ( the peace pact christians)