SUSPECTED BOMBER SHOT ...SKY CITING POLICE SOURCES
22 July 2005, 02:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
Moses. You make a good point here so maybe you can help me to understand a few more things. It seems to me that its mainly young Asians of Pakistani origin who are so disaffected that they start bombing the crap out of everyone whereas the Indian community appears more at ease with being British. Assuming this is correct, why is this? Secondly, whilst its easy to lay responsibility at someone else's door I believe that the Muslim community has a part to play in rooting out these muppets just as I would if I knew some sad chav like creature spouting BNP like propaganda in the white community.
22 July 2005, 02:08 PM
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Shot at point blank after being pinned down.
why was it necessary to busss five caps in his ***??? Surely if he's caught, it's better to use him as a source of info instead of dipping him, flipping him and pistol wippin' him??
why was it necessary to busss five caps in his ***??? Surely if he's caught, it's better to use him as a source of info instead of dipping him, flipping him and pistol wippin' him??
Sky were suggesting earlier that police had orders to shoot to kill
22 July 2005, 02:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
Moses. You make a good point here so maybe you can help me to understand a few more things. It seems to me that its mainly young Asians of Pakistani origin who are so disaffected that they start bombing the crap out of everyone whereas the Indian community appears more at ease with being British. Assuming this is correct, why is this? Secondly, whilst its easy to lay responsibility at someone else's door I believe that the Muslim community has a part to play in rooting out these muppets just as I would if I knew some sad chav like creature spouting BNP like propaganda in the white community.
first of all my fellow asian brothers the sikhs and hindus, even together they dont even make half of the muslim community
and yes they got probs too as we all do in our communities, my sikh brothers still practice their religion fully but my hindu brothers most of them have surrendered their religion for business and money making and something that is left in the house while the muslims and sikhs, their religion is a part of their life and everyday living
their was no problem in the uk before the salman rushdie ******* thing, thats when muslims came on the media, before hand for over 60 to 70 yrs no probs at all
west needed a new enemy, after the commies and it was islam, and my other asian brothers their countries aint been invaded , india etc or people slaughtered like the muslims have been in all over the world, countries colonised and corrupt dictators backed in egypt, saudia and other countries
the oppression of the palestinians etc and butchering of iraqis from 1990 right up to 2005
this is the difference and in pure islam mate, their is no nationalism, i aint no fecking pakistani or brit first, im a muslim and them im scottish and pakistan and british
see what i mean, as a muslim i will be faithful to my country and my people muslims and non muslims in britain, thats what islam means, and to defend my land scotland from invaders and other dangers.
nationalism in our culture was created by the colonialist masters of our lands of old, split them into syria, iraq, saudia arabia oman, uae etc, they were all known as the muslim lands of arabia , not countries
in islam the muslim brotherhood and sisterhood is like a body
when the leg feels the pain the body will feel it, something like that, quoted by the mouth of our prophet peace be upon him
a brotherhood, when one nation gets butchered all of them feel it
i will give u an example
flat mate, look at zimbabwe, thats nothing compared to what happens in muslim countries, lets say tomorrow mugabe says lets slay all whites in zimbabwe, trust me mate, your gonna feel it big time
thats how we feel
talking about asians, im closer to my sikh brothers from any non muslim asians, i luv hindu brothers and sisters too but its a punjabi thing
to be closer to your own community muslims and sikhs from asian lands
so to the point
if the same happened to other asian communities trust me they would be in anger too
22 July 2005, 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Diamond Dave
I said help stop them. By way of talking to the police etc.
Don't tell me I'm talking **** when you don't read it properly.
You don't seem many suicide chavs do you? Novas packed with high explosives
Shoot the fukcers would be the obvious answer but not really going to work is it.
Communication and co-operation for starters.
It is members of the muslim community though.
Even Tony can't take the blame for a load of Guptas wanting to blow **** up.
Don't tell me I'm talking **** when you don't read it properly.
You don't seem many suicide chavs do you? Novas packed with high explosives
Shoot the fukcers would be the obvious answer but not really going to work is it.
Communication and co-operation for starters.
It is members of the muslim community though.
Even Tony can't take the blame for a load of Guptas wanting to blow **** up.
lol like gc8 said gupta is a hindu name shows how much u know about islam
sorry for saying u r talking ****e them but it was a silly question to ask
how can u shoot a suicide bomber when u dont know who it is and regarding chavs, yes they murder, mug and do alot of evil things too so i say lets stop them shall we
and its up to the white community or christians to do that if that is the case as u are saying muslims should do something about these fanaticswho r these fundamentalists, the hate preachers, its up to the government to chuck them out, they didnt do it and suffered for it
its the government no one else to blame
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is it just me or does this statement alone make you chuckle
"i aint no fecking pakistani or brit first,
im a muslim and them
im scottish and
pakistan and
british"
I honestly don't think you really know who the **** you are
"i aint no fecking pakistani or brit first,
im a muslim and them
im scottish and
pakistan and
british"
I honestly don't think you really know who the **** you are
22 July 2005, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
Would you be willing to give him 1/2 a chance to detonate a bomb by pressing a button?
Sky were suggesting earlier that police had orders to shoot to kill
Sky were suggesting earlier that police had orders to shoot to kill
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22 July 2005, 02:18 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Without wanting to be argumentitive; I dont think that that is possible due to a Police officer's 'personal office' status. Im sure that a PC could confirm this.
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22 July 2005, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by moses
their was no problem in the uk before the salman rushdie ******* thing, thats when muslims came on the media, before hand for over 60 to 70 yrs no probs at all
22 July 2005, 02:23 PM
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Originally Posted by moses
first of all my fellow asian brothers the sikhs and hindus, even together they dont even make half of the muslim community
and yes they got probs too as we all do in our communities, my sikh brothers still practice their religion fully but my hindu brothers most of them have surrendered their religion for business and money making and something that is left in the house while the muslims and sikhs, their religion is a part of their life and everyday living
their was no problem in the uk before the salman rushdie ******* thing, thats when muslims came on the media, before hand for over 60 to 70 yrs no probs at all
west needed a new enemy, after the commies and it was islam, and my other asian brothers their countries aint been invaded , india etc or people slaughtered like the muslims have been in all over the world, countries colonised and corrupt dictators backed in egypt, saudia and other countries
the oppression of the palestinians etc and butchering of iraqis from 1990 right up to 2005
this is the difference and in pure islam mate, their is no nationalism, i aint no fecking pakistani or brit first, im a muslim and them im scottish and pakistan and british
see what i mean, as a muslim i will be faithful to my country and my people muslims and non muslims in britain, thats what islam means, and to defend my land scotland from invaders and other dangers.
nationalism in our culture was created by the colonialist masters of our lands of old, split them into syria, iraq, saudia arabia oman, uae etc, they were all known as the muslim lands of arabia , not countries
in islam the muslim brotherhood and sisterhood is like a body
when the leg feels the pain the body will feel it, something like that, quoted by the mouth of our prophet peace be upon him
a brotherhood, when one nation gets butchered all of them feel it
i will give u an example
flat mate, look at zimbabwe, thats nothing compared to what happens in muslim countries, lets say tomorrow mugabe says lets slay all whites in zimbabwe, trust me mate, your gonna feel it big time
thats how we feel
talking about asians, im closer to my sikh brothers from any non muslim asians, i luv hindu brothers and sisters too but its a punjabi thing
to be closer to your own community muslims and sikhs from asian lands
so to the point
if the same happened to other asian communities trust me they would be in anger too
and yes they got probs too as we all do in our communities, my sikh brothers still practice their religion fully but my hindu brothers most of them have surrendered their religion for business and money making and something that is left in the house while the muslims and sikhs, their religion is a part of their life and everyday living
their was no problem in the uk before the salman rushdie ******* thing, thats when muslims came on the media, before hand for over 60 to 70 yrs no probs at all
west needed a new enemy, after the commies and it was islam, and my other asian brothers their countries aint been invaded , india etc or people slaughtered like the muslims have been in all over the world, countries colonised and corrupt dictators backed in egypt, saudia and other countries
the oppression of the palestinians etc and butchering of iraqis from 1990 right up to 2005
this is the difference and in pure islam mate, their is no nationalism, i aint no fecking pakistani or brit first, im a muslim and them im scottish and pakistan and british
see what i mean, as a muslim i will be faithful to my country and my people muslims and non muslims in britain, thats what islam means, and to defend my land scotland from invaders and other dangers.
nationalism in our culture was created by the colonialist masters of our lands of old, split them into syria, iraq, saudia arabia oman, uae etc, they were all known as the muslim lands of arabia , not countries
in islam the muslim brotherhood and sisterhood is like a body
when the leg feels the pain the body will feel it, something like that, quoted by the mouth of our prophet peace be upon him
a brotherhood, when one nation gets butchered all of them feel it
i will give u an example
flat mate, look at zimbabwe, thats nothing compared to what happens in muslim countries, lets say tomorrow mugabe says lets slay all whites in zimbabwe, trust me mate, your gonna feel it big time
thats how we feel
talking about asians, im closer to my sikh brothers from any non muslim asians, i luv hindu brothers and sisters too but its a punjabi thing
to be closer to your own community muslims and sikhs from asian lands
so to the point
if the same happened to other asian communities trust me they would be in anger too
Understand that I'm not having a pop at you but it comes across as if (as a normal, moderate person) as if you have something against the UK so its seems a small leap for the more fanatical to take the blame game even further. Read what I've said as constructive rather than negatively.
22 July 2005, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by GC8
Without wanting to be argumentitive; I dont think that that is possible due to a Police officer's 'personal office' status. Im sure that a PC could confirm this.
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22 July 2005, 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by SJ_Skyline
Would you be willing to give him 1/2 a chance to detonate a bomb by pressing a button?
Sky were suggesting earlier that police had orders to shoot to kill
Sky were suggesting earlier that police had orders to shoot to kill
22 July 2005, 02:35 PM
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Im not going to argue about it; either I correct or I am incorrect. I believe that I am correct based on the knowledge that I have.
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22 July 2005, 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted by **************
So how do you think SO19 work then?
22 July 2005, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by brihoppy
its SOP for soldiers in iraq/afghanistan to shoot any one they believe to be a suicide bomber, and the advice is to shoot them in the head if possible to reduce the chance of triggering a detonation...we use what are called combat indicators to judge a threat, though its not always clear, and then we are expected to justify it in investigation...as long as we can do that, whether they were a bomber is irrelevant...accidents may very well happen...those coppers had to make sure that guy was dead if they really believed him to have a bomb...it would be their SOP as well, and quite right...
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Cant believe some people almost seem to be excusing these actions. we havent invaded Iraq with the intention of taking it over and making it part of the commonwealth, we went in to remove a dictator that was killing his own people in their thousands. if we'd of killed him and just left them to it there would be anarchy, much worse than there is now.
Do you also think Mugabie (sp) should just be left to it?? personally i'd like the f*cker executed. but again we'd need a milatary presence there for a while after to try and restore order.
it is widely known that these extremists are after a huge islamic state, they believe that 90% of what is now western europe belongs to them and they'll do anything to get it.
if we were INVADED (which Iraq has not been!!!) then yes i'd fight, but i'd fight the milatary, not blow up innocent men women and children. they've even killed muslims in these attacks. how fecking crazy must they be!?!
Do you also think Mugabie (sp) should just be left to it?? personally i'd like the f*cker executed. but again we'd need a milatary presence there for a while after to try and restore order.
it is widely known that these extremists are after a huge islamic state, they believe that 90% of what is now western europe belongs to them and they'll do anything to get it.
if we were INVADED (which Iraq has not been!!!) then yes i'd fight, but i'd fight the milatary, not blow up innocent men women and children. they've even killed muslims in these attacks. how fecking crazy must they be!?!
22 July 2005, 02:42 PM
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I think it's a subtle distinction between being ordered and being given the choice to shoot if you feel the need due to the threat level etc. As a police officer, the ultimate decision is yours, as a soldier it may not be.
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Originally Posted by GC8
Ideally youd shoot them through the mouth as this will destroy the part of the brain that controls movement, they couldnt even press a button in the throes of death. Pleasant eh?
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Originally Posted by wez_sti
Cant believe some people almost seem to be excusing these actions. we havent invaded Iraq with the intention of taking it over and making it part of the commonwealth, we went in to remove a dictator that was killing his own people in their thousands. if we'd of killed him and just left them to it there would be anarchy, much worse than there is now.
Do you also think Mugabie (sp) should just be left to it?? personally i'd like the f*cker executed. but again we'd need a milatary presence there for a while after to try and restore order.
it is widely known that these extremists are after a huge islamic state, they believe that 90% of what is now western europe belongs to them and they'll do anything to get it.
if we were INVADED (which Iraq has not been!!!) then yes i'd fight, but i'd fight the milatary, not blow up innocent men women and children. they've even killed muslims in these attacks. how fecking crazy must they be!?!
Do you also think Mugabie (sp) should just be left to it?? personally i'd like the f*cker executed. but again we'd need a milatary presence there for a while after to try and restore order.
it is widely known that these extremists are after a huge islamic state, they believe that 90% of what is now western europe belongs to them and they'll do anything to get it.
if we were INVADED (which Iraq has not been!!!) then yes i'd fight, but i'd fight the milatary, not blow up innocent men women and children. they've even killed muslims in these attacks. how fecking crazy must they be!?!
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Originally Posted by GC8
Did you know that, with the aid of an 'Acme' product 'Wile E Coyote' actually caught 'Road Runner' in one episode?
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I can see the incidences of fare dodging decreasing after this!
Lost count of the number of times I've seen people try and jump the barriers on the tube, with no ill intentions towards anyone other than not paying their fare! Not anymore I guess! NS04
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Originally Posted by wez_sti
Cant believe some people almost seem to be excusing these actions. we havent invaded Iraq with the intention of taking it over and making it part of the commonwealth, we went in to remove a dictator that was killing his own people in their thousands. if we'd of killed him and just left them to it there would be anarchy, much worse than there is now.
Do you also think Mugabie (sp) should just be left to it?? personally i'd like the f*cker executed. but again we'd need a milatary presence there for a while after to try and restore order.
it is widely known that these extremists are after a huge islamic state, they believe that 90% of what is now western europe belongs to them and they'll do anything to get it.
if we were INVADED (which Iraq has not been!!!) then yes i'd fight, but i'd fight the milatary, not blow up innocent men women and children. they've even killed muslims in these attacks. how fecking crazy must they be!?!
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Originally Posted by khany
What do you do if you see a scooby full of asians with rucksacks?
