SUSPECTED BOMBER SHOT ...SKY CITING POLICE SOURCES
22 July 2005, 03:07 PM
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Originally Posted by khany
What do you do if you see a scooby full of asians with rucksacks?
22 July 2005, 03:09 PM
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Originally Posted by khany
What do you do if you see a scooby full of asians with rucksacks?
22 July 2005, 03:14 PM
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The question everone seems to be missing (if we are accepting a correlation between the UK's involvement in Iraq and the london bombings) is this:-
What price the removal of Sadam Hussain from power in Iraq?
Is the death of £000's of innocent Iraqi's and (potentially) hundereds in London an acceptable price to pay in the grand scheme of a liberated Iraq?
On balance, with absolute pragmatism, I'd have to say yes, in the grand scheme of things it is a price worth paying - IF and only IF getting rid of SH was the right thing to do.
Now, I don't know any Iraqi's so I don't know what the reality of that last point is and therefore can only speculate, much like, I suspect, the rest of you.
What price the removal of Sadam Hussain from power in Iraq?
Is the death of £000's of innocent Iraqi's and (potentially) hundereds in London an acceptable price to pay in the grand scheme of a liberated Iraq?
On balance, with absolute pragmatism, I'd have to say yes, in the grand scheme of things it is a price worth paying - IF and only IF getting rid of SH was the right thing to do.
Now, I don't know any Iraqi's so I don't know what the reality of that last point is and therefore can only speculate, much like, I suspect, the rest of you.
22 July 2005, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
The question everone seems to be missing (if we are accepting a correlation between the UK's involvement in Iraq and the london bombings) is this:-
What price the removal of Sadam Hussain from power in Iraq?
Is the death of £000's of innocent Iraqi's and (potentially) hundereds in London an acceptable price to pay in the grand scheme of a liberated Iraq?
On balance, with absolute pragmatism, I'd have to say yes, in the grand scheme of things it is a price worth paying - IF and only IF getting rid of SH was the right thing to do.
Now, I don't know any Iraqi's so I don't know what the reality of that last point is and therefore can only speculate, much like, I suspect, the rest of you.
What price the removal of Sadam Hussain from power in Iraq?
Is the death of £000's of innocent Iraqi's and (potentially) hundereds in London an acceptable price to pay in the grand scheme of a liberated Iraq?
On balance, with absolute pragmatism, I'd have to say yes, in the grand scheme of things it is a price worth paying - IF and only IF getting rid of SH was the right thing to do.
Now, I don't know any Iraqi's so I don't know what the reality of that last point is and therefore can only speculate, much like, I suspect, the rest of you.
22 July 2005, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Diablo
Now, I don't know any Iraqi's so I don't know what the reality of that last point is and therefore can only speculate, much like, I suspect, the rest of you.
22 July 2005, 03:25 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
That's kind of the point though isn't it? We assume we are better, we assume everybody else wants to be free and live like us. It is all too apparent that they don't otherwise we wouldn't have an issue with insurgents in Iraq or bombers in London. That we do, suggests that we have fukced up somewhere along the line.
Personally, I believe these things are always dealt with half heartedy.
In an attempt to spare as many "innocents" as possible, it all goes to sh*t.
IMO it should be all or nothing. "We" should either have nuked the crap out of baghdad and afghanistan, or just left the Iraqis to sort out their own internal problems.
22 July 2005, 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
By the same token, wouldn't it just have been easier to leave Saddam Hussein in place and let a similar amount of people be killed under his regime?
22 July 2005, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
That's kind of the point though isn't it? We assume we are better, we assume everybody else wants to be free and live like us. It is all too apparent that they don't otherwise we wouldn't have an issue with insurgents in Iraq or bombers in London. That we do, suggests that we have fukced up somewhere along the line.
22 July 2005, 03:27 PM
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their is no culture here , u have to agree, their is no british culture ,so i want to know your definition of culture
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5000+ years of civilisation combining pagans, Celts, Romans, Vikings, Normans, Jews, Muslims etc
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Just because we don't have loud, colourful religious festivals or rituals or that you aren't interested in the above doesn't mean there is no culture.
22 July 2005, 03:36 PM
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[QUOTE=hawkthescoobslayer]it wasn't BUT surely you've felt the tensions rising over the past few years extremists have been encouraging this sort of thing to happen
Secondly 911 certainly wasn't due to an "invasion" of iraq.
QUOTE]
I'm sorry but you're wrong.
Secondly 911 certainly wasn't due to an "invasion" of iraq.
QUOTE]
I'm sorry but you're wrong.
22 July 2005, 03:39 PM
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On the radio now, sounds like the guy who ran on the train this morning is linked to yesterdays attempts, theyve not said if he was carrying a bomb today but definately making sure it sounds like he was involved yesterday....
few more roads closed around London now
few more roads closed around London now
22 July 2005, 03:39 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Moses I think you are wrong there. Modern British culture for many is to be a chav, a lout, to binge drink, fight, ****, take drugs etc, but to say the British have no culture is clearly wrong. Consider the following:
English is the world's language
Football and Rugby
Best TV in the world
Cricket
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British seaside resorts
Best theatres and theatrical production.
The best music in the world
Birdspotters, trainspotters and hobbyists in general (Including this site)
The British legal system (what most modern fair legal systems are based on)
The Royals, Lords etc
Proud military history and tradition
Educational institutions
British comedy
Carboot sales and farmers markets
Freedom of expression
Village Fetes
5000+ years of civilisation combining pagans, Celts, Romans, Vikings, Normans, Jews, Muslims etc
etc etc
Just because we don't have loud, colourful religious festivals or rituals or that you aren't interested in the above doesn't mean there is no culture.
English is the world's language
Football and Rugby
Best TV in the world
Cricket
Ramblers
British seaside resorts
Best theatres and theatrical production.
The best music in the world
Birdspotters, trainspotters and hobbyists in general (Including this site)
The British legal system (what most modern fair legal systems are based on)
The Royals, Lords etc
Proud military history and tradition
Educational institutions
British comedy
Carboot sales and farmers markets
Freedom of expression
Village Fetes
5000+ years of civilisation combining pagans, Celts, Romans, Vikings, Normans, Jews, Muslims etc
etc etc
Just because we don't have loud, colourful religious festivals or rituals or that you aren't interested in the above doesn't mean there is no culture.
22 July 2005, 03:41 PM
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[QUOTE=rik1471]
Wrong about what???
course tensions have been rising over the years, all the riots in Oldham/Burnley/Bradford etc... these idiots who are preaching on streets etc...
and hes correct that 9/11 wasnt due to an invasion of iraq....
so go on then, whats he wrong about? cant just tell someone theyre wrong without offering an alternative... would you please enlighten us?
Originally Posted by hawkthescoobslayer
it wasn't BUT surely you've felt the tensions rising over the past few years extremists have been encouraging this sort of thing to happen
Secondly 911 certainly wasn't due to an "invasion" of iraq.
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I'm sorry but you're wrong.
Secondly 911 certainly wasn't due to an "invasion" of iraq.
QUOTE]
I'm sorry but you're wrong.
course tensions have been rising over the years, all the riots in Oldham/Burnley/Bradford etc... these idiots who are preaching on streets etc...
and hes correct that 9/11 wasnt due to an invasion of iraq....
so go on then, whats he wrong about? cant just tell someone theyre wrong without offering an alternative... would you please enlighten us?
22 July 2005, 03:42 PM
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Originally Posted by rik1471
Originally Posted by hawkthescoobslayer
Secondly 911 certainly wasn't due to an "invasion" of iraq.
22 July 2005, 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by OllyK
So the 911 bombers acted becuase they knew America was going to invade Iraq in the future? Get real.
22 July 2005, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Unless they were 10 years late on attacking the US
22 July 2005, 04:01 PM
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Rumor has it that another person has been shot dead by police.
Oh dear, what a shame. Like I care that these scum are being executed. Might teach them a lesson that they cannot commit their acts of terror and get away with it. I'm sure no-one will miss them.
Oh dear, what a shame. Like I care that these scum are being executed. Might teach them a lesson that they cannot commit their acts of terror and get away with it. I'm sure no-one will miss them.
22 July 2005, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by hawkthescoobslayer
is it just me or does this statement alone make you chuckle
"i aint no fecking pakistani or brit first,
im a muslim and them
im scottish and
pakistan and
british"
I honestly don't think you really know who the **** you are
"i aint no fecking pakistani or brit first,
im a muslim and them
im scottish and
pakistan and
british"
I honestly don't think you really know who the **** you are
well im a muslim scotsman then a british pakistani
22 July 2005, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Flatcapdriver
What worries me about the above statements is that you mention commonality with Sikhs, Hindus etc but your attitude comes across as as very divisive when it comes to Whites and Western society of which you make no mention other than in the negative. Now correct me if I'm wrong but the general consensus amongst other posters is that all sides need to get together in the UK to sort this out and yet you mention you're Muslim, Pakistani and then Scottish in that order which strikes me as if you don't want to become British nor partake of anything that is British.
Understand that I'm not having a pop at you but it comes across as if (as a normal, moderate person) as if you have something against the UK so its seems a small leap for the more fanatical to take the blame game even further. Read what I've said as constructive rather than negatively.
Understand that I'm not having a pop at you but it comes across as if (as a normal, moderate person) as if you have something against the UK so its seems a small leap for the more fanatical to take the blame game even further. Read what I've said as constructive rather than negatively.
im racist to anyone who is racist
and the white people who r my friends and the good people same as any other race r my brothers and sisters and i dont see them as white, i only see bigots and racists as white
i thought u knew my definition of white
i said im a muslim them im a scot and then a pakistani brit
being a muslim first makes me more of a scotsman and a pakistani than being a brit first and then a muslim, we have so many brits in this countrym majority call themselves brits and they dont really give a **** of the wellbeing of this country
well me being a muslim makes me more faithful to my land scotland and country britain
22 July 2005, 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Moses I think you are wrong there. Modern British culture for many is to be a chav, a lout, to binge drink, fight, ****, take drugs etc, but to say the British have no culture is clearly wrong. Consider the following:
English is the world's language
Football and Rugby
Best TV in the world
Cricket
Ramblers
British seaside resorts
Best theatres and theatrical production.
The best music in the world
Birdspotters, trainspotters and hobbyists in general (Including this site)
The British legal system (what most modern fair legal systems are based on)
The Royals, Lords etc
Proud military history and tradition
Educational institutions
British comedy
Carboot sales and farmers markets
Freedom of expression
Village Fetes
5000+ years of civilisation combining pagans, Celts, Romans, Vikings, Normans, Jews, Muslims etc
etc etc
Just because we don't have loud, colourful religious festivals or rituals or that you aren't interested in the above doesn't mean there is no culture.
English is the world's language
Football and Rugby
Best TV in the world
Cricket
Ramblers
British seaside resorts
Best theatres and theatrical production.
The best music in the world
Birdspotters, trainspotters and hobbyists in general (Including this site)
The British legal system (what most modern fair legal systems are based on)
The Royals, Lords etc
Proud military history and tradition
Educational institutions
British comedy
Carboot sales and farmers markets
Freedom of expression
Village Fetes
5000+ years of civilisation combining pagans, Celts, Romans, Vikings, Normans, Jews, Muslims etc
etc etc
Just because we don't have loud, colourful religious festivals or rituals or that you aren't interested in the above doesn't mean there is no culture.
mate above is good but it aint a culture, we people do the above
already so what integration is left , were the best at the above but it aint cultureculture is your daily lives, so what other way is left for integration
cheers
22 July 2005, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by moses
mate i got no probs with whites i got white brothers my friends , i dont need to justify or say well i aint racist i have white friends, it sounds bo-l-l-c-k-s but but but
im racist to anyone who is racist
and the white people who r my friends and the good people same as any other race r my brothers and sisters and i dont see them as white, i only see bigots and racists as white
i thought u knew my definition of white
i said im a muslim them im a scot and then a pakistani brit
being a muslim first makes me more of a scotsman and a pakistani than being a brit first and then a muslim, we have so many brits in this countrym majority call themselves brits and they dont really give a **** of the wellbeing of this country
well me being a muslim makes me more faithful to my land scotland and country britain
im racist to anyone who is racist
and the white people who r my friends and the good people same as any other race r my brothers and sisters and i dont see them as white, i only see bigots and racists as white
i thought u knew my definition of white
i said im a muslim them im a scot and then a pakistani brit
being a muslim first makes me more of a scotsman and a pakistani than being a brit first and then a muslim, we have so many brits in this countrym majority call themselves brits and they dont really give a **** of the wellbeing of this country
well me being a muslim makes me more faithful to my land scotland and country britain
Man, I was with you for a few posts there too.
Do you realise how racist that statement is moses?
You might not mean it with any bad intent at all but a lot of us are white and aren't bigots nor racists. We don't need to be your friend to prove that we're good people!
22 July 2005, 04:10 PM
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So, the bloke had a detonator in his hand?!!??!!?
Sounds more like a Die Hard movie than real life.
Either way, shooting him or not, who gives a f$ck, dirty peasant has no rights anyway.
Sounds more like a Die Hard movie than real life.
Either way, shooting him or not, who gives a f$ck, dirty peasant has no rights anyway.