Dead man was innocent.....
23 July 2005, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Soulgirl
Police is a term used when describing law enforcement no matter what branch they operate from. Dimmer wit.
23 July 2005, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by kilo_4que
im beginning to doubt ure english now love
hes providing stats with "pathetic" at the end, hence implying hes not too supportive of those stats.
hes providing stats with "pathetic" at the end, hence implying hes not too supportive of those stats.
23 July 2005, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by banny sti
As it happens the guy is not asian, he was brazilian.
23 July 2005, 09:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Soulgirl
LOL - thicko! He was making a statement about how idiotic those stats were.
but u still need to get head and tail of special forces and the police
23 July 2005, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Chris5-0
Quick point. For Special Forces to be involved (i presume you mean the SAS?) the whole incident would have to be handed over to the army, who as far as i know do not have much experience in investigating multiple terrorist attacks. The regiment are the best in the world in doing what they do, they do not do statements and forensics!
23 July 2005, 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by kilo_4que
OK my bad,
but u still need to get head and tail of special forces and the police
but u still need to get head and tail of special forces and the police
23 July 2005, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Stueyb
I hope it haunts this thug with a gun for life and his carear<sp> is ended. FFS. He had *nothing* on him and he may not have even have spoken english, being chased by a group of white (assumed but odds on) gun totting people who were not identified as police in any way. Id bloody run as well if I didnt understand what they were saying.
Originally Posted by Jonc
Has anyone even thought about being in the shoes of the Policeman who shot the suspect. Consider this:
The Met have issued a "shoot to kill" policy.
The intelligence that you have been given is that this person is a suspected terrorist/suicide bomber.
This man is wearing a heavy coat certainly not suitable for the warm weather at the time.
He enters a busy tube station, and at that point you warn him that you are armed police and ask him to stop.
The suspect runs and makes his escape over the ticket barriers, obviously with the intent to get away from you any means possible.
You give chase, adrenaline pumping, you see the suspect get on the tube, he stumbles and you catch him.
At this point you have a decision to make; with the death of over 50 people in the first suicide attack fresh in your mind and also an attempt to detonate 3 other devices the previous day. This person is potentially carrying a lot of explosives to take as many lives as possible, including yours as you are now in his immediate vacinity, do you
A) find out weather he speaks English and attempt to reason with him
B) attempt to restrain him, to find out weather he is carrying any explosives
C) attempt to restrain him, and hope that he will not detonate the explosives in the struggle to restrain him.
D) shoot him dead, to prevent detination and thus save the lives of people in the immediate vacinity and prevent another 7/7
What decision do you think you would take? now, remember don't take too long to decide as he could potentially detonate at anytime, especially as he's now at his most vulnerable on the floor, knowing that the police have him and there is no possible means of escape for him except one of course......
The Met have issued a "shoot to kill" policy.
The intelligence that you have been given is that this person is a suspected terrorist/suicide bomber.
This man is wearing a heavy coat certainly not suitable for the warm weather at the time.
He enters a busy tube station, and at that point you warn him that you are armed police and ask him to stop.
The suspect runs and makes his escape over the ticket barriers, obviously with the intent to get away from you any means possible.
You give chase, adrenaline pumping, you see the suspect get on the tube, he stumbles and you catch him.
At this point you have a decision to make; with the death of over 50 people in the first suicide attack fresh in your mind and also an attempt to detonate 3 other devices the previous day. This person is potentially carrying a lot of explosives to take as many lives as possible, including yours as you are now in his immediate vacinity, do you
A) find out weather he speaks English and attempt to reason with him
B) attempt to restrain him, to find out weather he is carrying any explosives
C) attempt to restrain him, and hope that he will not detonate the explosives in the struggle to restrain him.
D) shoot him dead, to prevent detination and thus save the lives of people in the immediate vacinity and prevent another 7/7
What decision do you think you would take? now, remember don't take too long to decide as he could potentially detonate at anytime, especially as he's now at his most vulnerable on the floor, knowing that the police have him and there is no possible means of escape for him except one of course......
23 July 2005, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kilo_4que
errr police is police and military is military. Lets send West Yorkshire poilce to Iraq LOL that makes sense
23 July 2005, 09:28 PM
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Don't normally get involved in threads like this anymore but reading some of the responses i just think we should dispand the UK Police forces.
According to some folk on here the Police:
1. Have nothing to do but do speeders
2. Are never there when you need them
3.Never catch any Burglars
4.Talk to everybody wrong
5.Shoot innocent people ***** nilly
6.Target Subaru drivers
7.Don't care about anything or anyone
8.Hate the Public
Sooner or later we will be replacing Police dogs with kittens,inviting Burglars and robbers out to a cheese and wine evening to discuss their involvement in alleged offences, and telling everyone that everything is OK no matter what is happening and we are losing control (oh sorry that's happening already!).
There's no point any more, the Police can't do right for doing wrong, and they never will.
Put yourself in those Officers' shoes.......would you have pulled the trigger in light of recent events?
Or would you just not have the ***** to be in their shoes in the first place?
According to some folk on here the Police:
1. Have nothing to do but do speeders
2. Are never there when you need them
3.Never catch any Burglars
4.Talk to everybody wrong
5.Shoot innocent people ***** nilly
6.Target Subaru drivers
7.Don't care about anything or anyone
8.Hate the Public
Sooner or later we will be replacing Police dogs with kittens,inviting Burglars and robbers out to a cheese and wine evening to discuss their involvement in alleged offences, and telling everyone that everything is OK no matter what is happening and we are losing control (oh sorry that's happening already!).
There's no point any more, the Police can't do right for doing wrong, and they never will.
Put yourself in those Officers' shoes.......would you have pulled the trigger in light of recent events?
Or would you just not have the ***** to be in their shoes in the first place?
23 July 2005, 09:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Stueyb
I hope it haunts this thug with a gun for life and his carear<sp> is ended. FFS. He had *nothing* on him and he may not have even have spoken english, being chased by a group of white (assumed but odds on) gun totting people who were not identified as police in any way. Id bloody run as well if I didnt understand what they were saying.
Are you mentally retarded?
23 July 2005, 09:49 PM
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Originally Posted by gljam
Do you speak fluent spanish when you go on holiday to spain? or fluent german when you pop over to germany?? probably not eh.
would you wear a coat in a foreign country that you found colder then you own, or shorts in a country you found hotter than your own?? probably.
would you hang around with three men with weapons running towards you, yelling something in a language you don't understand?? maybe? maybe not?
And yes maybe the police should learn the basic commands in different languages, police forces in other countries manage to learn languges that are different to their own.
would you wear a coat in a foreign country that you found colder then you own, or shorts in a country you found hotter than your own?? probably.
would you hang around with three men with weapons running towards you, yelling something in a language you don't understand?? maybe? maybe not?
And yes maybe the police should learn the basic commands in different languages, police forces in other countries manage to learn languges that are different to their own.
23 July 2005, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by kilo_4que
Chris very true matey, this isnt something im presuming its something that was mentioned when a senior person was being interview. He mentioned the fact of 5 shots, shots to the head and the reason why such tactics are generally carried out.
We have tactics we use on range involving head and body, head only and body only shots, depending on distance, weaponry used etc. The number of shots or placement is no indicator of who shot them. I know people perfectly capable of shooting to either target and never misssing.
23 July 2005, 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by s70rjw
So before issuing a challenge you ask the suspect what language he would like the warning in...
23 July 2005, 09:57 PM
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Originally Posted by s70rjw
So before issuing a challenge you ask the suspect what language he would like the warning in...
23 July 2005, 10:03 PM
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The guy was a Brazilian and he came out of a block of flats that were under surveillance.
I didn't come on here yesterday because I didn't want to read all the 'death was too good for him' style nonsense. Maybe people should think before they know all the facts sometimes.
It's very sad.
Okay, the police are only human and they can make mistakes but they had this guy pinned down, there was no need to kill him.
I didn't come on here yesterday because I didn't want to read all the 'death was too good for him' style nonsense. Maybe people should think before they know all the facts sometimes.
It's very sad.
Okay, the police are only human and they can make mistakes but they had this guy pinned down, there was no need to kill him.
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23 July 2005, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by banny sti
Defo dont try to get on a bus or train!! 
more about them wheels and my car 
23 July 2005, 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Soulgirl
Look, if you are a normal person you would not be hounded by anyone trying to kill you. If, for example, you are a bad boy you might expect someone to chase after you and pump you full of bullets.
Irrespective of whether he wasn't a bomber, he obvisouly felt the need to run away for some reason or another. London is full of criminals. This bloke may have been innocent of the bombings but what other things was he guilty of? The police wouldn't just pick on him and monitor him without any kind of insight, otherwise there would be people dying every day from an officers bullet. Colour, creed and bull**** aside - he was a bloke who the forces had information on to suggest he was dangerous. Some people must think the whole force is stupid or something!
I wish they shot more people instead of making us pay for their lavish lifestyles in prison.
Irrespective of whether he wasn't a bomber, he obvisouly felt the need to run away for some reason or another. London is full of criminals. This bloke may have been innocent of the bombings but what other things was he guilty of? The police wouldn't just pick on him and monitor him without any kind of insight, otherwise there would be people dying every day from an officers bullet. Colour, creed and bull**** aside - he was a bloke who the forces had information on to suggest he was dangerous. Some people must think the whole force is stupid or something!
I wish they shot more people instead of making us pay for their lavish lifestyles in prison.
but soulgirl u are suggesting criminals should be shot and not be able to life with lavish lifestyles in the nick
would u say the same if your father turned out to be a criminal or your husband or partner or son even, would u agree they should be shot
theirs an old saying do to others what u would do to yourself
so would u slay the c;unt criminals in your family
pls im looking forward to your answer
23 July 2005, 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Diamond Dave
That has to be in the top 5 biggest load of bollocks I have ever read on here.
Are you mentally retarded?
Are you mentally retarded?
He shot someone DEAD. An un armed, civilian, possibly who didnt understand english and got shot for it. He had also commited no crime either.
FFS there were 5 coppers on him. Was he superman in disguise or something ? Thats humour, in case you didnt manage that one. I suggest that this guy thought he was rambo in the making and prolly only then engaged the steroid shriveled muscle that most of these macho types dont seem to use much. I also suggest those that cant stand it move from London.
I suggest you go and join the "ohh arent the police great" supporters group. I mean they all do such a good job and always get the right people *ahem* Guildford 4, Birmingham 6 etc *ahem*
Oh one other thing, say it was your brother or sister had had been shot dead with 5 seperate rounds to the head and chest, and for just running because he didnt understand english and was bieng chased why what he may have presumed where yobs.
One final thought, they must have had plenty of time to take him down in a more friendly fashion if they had been trailing him for several hours.