moses

it sounds u never made luv with a coloured guy to appreciate his worth, maybe u aught to it may loosen u up

moses

maybe he was an illegal immigrant and didnt want to be caught

moses

sorry bros didnt notice

thing is bros if u were a copper and peoples lives where in your hands and a guy legs it and u dont know what to do, if u disabled him and he may still have enuff energy to detonate the bomb and slaughter lil kids, people and stuff even our own families in the trains

wont u wanna take a shot at that time and save the people , one mistake it will be guilt on your brain for the rest of your life if he was a bomber

i do agree their should be restraint but yesterday and the day before london was hectic, u dont know who the enemy was, i dont blame them bros for making that mistake and yes it will make us real angry if it were our own family members and my heart goes out to the persons family and may he rest in peace, but it was a win or lose situation , he shouldnt have legged it

Chip

Who of course have never been proven to have been not guilty. They were released purely due to irregularities in the evidence.

Chip

gsm1

They guy was pinned down on the floor, Moses, there was no need to shoot him. He didn't have a rucksack and if the current information is correct he was only guilty of coming out of a block of flats that were under surveillance.

Chip

So why try to run away then I wonder.

Chip

Mitchy260

A racist revenge attack perhaps?

Remember the police were undercover and dressed as civilians!

moses

i agree with u bros 100%

it was so shaky it happened a day before bombs didnt detonate

peoples lives were in their hands, anything could have happened bros

if i had my maw, wife and kid in the train and happened to be a copper in london at the time, i wouldnt have hesitated bros

i hope God heals the families hearts and give them patience for the death of their loved one who got shot

2 weeks its been a terrible 2 weeks and it was the stuff leading up to it bros

cops where shaky they didnt know who was round the corner

gsm1

There could be numerous reasons. The coppers were in plain clothes, he might have just thought he was being attacked. We'll never know now.

moses

one more thing i will give u an example bros

lets say combat 18 or nf came to our neighbourhood a day before and killed some innocent people and another guy looking like a skinhead comes to that area and legs it and u think something is gonna happen

i will slay the motherfecker and cut his guts out and feed it to his friends

its a choice u make if something bad has happened a day before

mart360

moses,,, what would you do if it was one of your family that had done it>>

i dont agree with the current regime of easy life for crims inside..

prison as i recall is a punishment... look at the statistics... 70% of prisoner repeat offend when released.... look at the glass house ( forces prison) ony 7% reoffend.. you dont need to be a rocket scientist to work out which is more effective. re family member being a crim.. if it was one of my own who had done this the answer would be easy much as we love them they turn themsleves in or we do for them... what happens after that is down to the courts,,, but given our generous jail policy he,d be out in 7 - 10 so its no worry to them is it!!

M

Soulgirl

You are talking to a woman that shopped her own 7 year old daughter to the police for shoplifting - yes, I would certainly say you get what you deserve. I am abhorrent to violence in any form and the sooner the world is rid of such persons the better.

In answer to your question yes, if any of my family were responsible for the death or suffering of others I would expect no less for them in a return punishment.

dij

Just heard on Sky news that police have confirmed that the man shot dead was not connected to the bombings and they are regretful....a bit late now.

Anyway all you lot who seem to be congratulaing the police's decissions and making comments like "one less scum in the world"(or whatever),should keep their comments to themselves,you seem to be releasing alot of racial hatred in your posts.
Sorry to dissapoint you guys but he wasnt a paki or a muslim.

Can anyone confirm that the officers identified themselves as the police before telling the man to stop?
I know I would try to run from a group of guys if they where following me,especialy if i didnt know they where police and i saw guns.

IMO,this was a "first time situation" for the officers (or sas,or wtf),so they werent ready for this,no matter how well trained they where..

I agree that they did the right thing given the situation,but I cant help think that the situation could have been different if they tried to stop,question,or arrest the man before he got on the bus.
This so called intelligence seems to be as intelligent as a rats *** atm.

Total misjudgement,and it is worth arguing over if it will help ensure that mistakes like this dont happen again.

In the meantime all Asians carrying bags,wearing jackets or looking dodgy (wtf that means) should be very careful when comuting on public transport,and if confronted by a group of people carrying weapons, must remain calm and not try and run......

Pauleds2

I love this.

Every C**t is an expert.

Soulgirl

Are you fvcking mad? What a stupid and dialectic retort... I like it

moses

question was to her coz she said they should shoot the criminals and i asked her if it was your own family would she.


criminals get a punishment in jail and trust me, its hard to shoot your own blood or if its your own loved ones online, no bull****

and i agree with u our jails r soft, their should be harsh punishments



and soulgirl its easy saying u shopped your lassie for stealing, im talking about shooting your daughter using your own words instead of spending time in jail, your own lil girl, who u brought up for hard 9 months and your lil angel and heart and soul

**** em its hard , it would kill u, surely kill me


do to others what u would do to them and yes shop them its a nice thing to do but to kill hmm its hard, easy talking about it


brb if u can guys watch channel 836 islam channel, i think its a good debate i can see it from the other room

brb

Soulgirl

Moses, get a grip, those that shot the man did not bear and nurture him from birth. No, I could not 'kill' my own children but I would not stop their death if they were such evil patrons.

Chris5-0

Are you a fool!?

Honestly. Do you believe what you are saying or you just trying to wind us up?

To suggest any police officer wants to get into a situation where they might have to kill someone is ludicrous and offensive.

Or have i got it wrong and you were actually there? You seem to talk like you were and know the whole facts!

Have a look at yourself mate and shut it!

jonc

You still haven't answered my question in my last post.

And had he been a suicide bomber, we would be praising the officer for such a quick decisive action right? The police seem to be stuck between a rock and a hard place, no matter what they do, somebody's gonna think whatever they do is wrong. Why assume that the Brazillian man couldn't speak English?

Oh and what would you suggest in "taking down in a friendly fashion" a suicide bomber who ready to kill everyone around him and possible can't speak English??

and whats this move out of London remark? why stop there? why don't you suggest we get out of this country, expecially if the Police are all thugs.

Mitchy260

Whats mad about that? Nobody knows why the guy legged it and we probablyy never will now.

3 white males with guns and dressed as civilians!

Chris5-0

Just sprayed my screen with weetabix!

You idiot!

Soulgirl

Sorry Pete, my quote of the year just changed so you are out of the running ... this one is CERTAINLY worthy of a literary prize

Soulgirl

Chris, weetabix is for breakfast - still, it could have been worse, it might have been bollix

Stueyb

Oh yes, it aint a police state yet mate. I am still entitled to my opinion, although you prolly dont like that, you gonna arrest me !. YOU are the one bieng abusive. Im not saying I know all the facts, just thats the way I see it. You probabily do, having chatted extensively to your bum chums in SO19 or whatever. Im entitled to my opinion and im sticking to it.

gsm1

That really depends on the officer. Like any occupation you have your good, your bad and your incompetent.

You might not want to get into a situation where you kill someone but don't you think even the most passive of people are capable of killing when they're pumped with adrenalin.

Mitchy260

Why did he run when he was innocent then?

Is it so far off the mark he thought these guys were following him to attack him in connection with the bombings 2 weeks ago! A racist revenge attack maybe? How was he to know they were policemen? Could the lad speak english?

Asians are getting it hard all up and down the country due to these bombings! A woman even had her house petrol bombed ffs!!

How can you say this is why he was not running? How do you know? No-one knows! All this garbage spouted on here is speculation!

Soulgirl...you are a silly arrogant bitch!

A young man lies dead and for what??

Because the officer ''thought''

THOUGHT AND IF WONT STAND UP IN COURT YOU SILLY TART!!!

Soulgirl

Stueyb

Ok, basically, as I see it. If you choose to live in london, you take a risk, however great or small. As do I. If you live outside the major cities you would assume your at lower risk. Im just saying you choose to live there!

As for taking him down in a friendly fashion, Im sure if they had to shoot him, even if he resisted arrest etc, it would have been easier to do it in a less crowded area, ie anywhere but a railway station.

As for your previous question, what was it ?

Mitchy260

There are still 4 lunatics on the loose which is the worrying thing!

Will they act as suicide bombers in the future or will they be captured and sent to jail for a very long time?

Very worrying indeed!

jonc

A question to you Stueyb from my last post......

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jonc
Has anyone even thought about being in the shoes of the Policeman who shot the suspect. Consider this:

The Met have issued a "shoot to kill" policy.

The intelligence that you have been given is that this person is a suspected terrorist/suicide bomber.

This man is wearing a heavy coat certainly not suitable for the warm weather at the time.

He enters a busy tube station, and at that point you warn him that you are armed police and ask him to stop.

The suspect runs and makes his escape over the ticket barriers, obviously with the intent to get away from you any means possible.

You give chase, adrenaline pumping, you see the suspect get on the tube, he stumbles and you catch him.

At this point you have a decision to make; with the death of over 50 people in the first suicide attack fresh in your mind and also an attempt to detonate 3 other devices the previous day. This person is potentially carrying a lot of explosives to take as many lives as possible, including yours as you are now in his immediate vacinity, do you

A) find out weather he speaks English and attempt to reason with him
B) attempt to restrain him, to find out weather he is carrying any explosives
C) attempt to restrain him, and hope that he will not detonate the explosives in the struggle to restrain him.
D) shoot him dead, to prevent detination and thus save the lives of people in the immediate vacinity and prevent another 7/7

What decision do you think you would take? now, remember don't take too long to decide as he could potentially detonate at anytime, especially as he's now at his most vulnerable on the floor, knowing that the police have him and there is no possible means of escape for him except one of course......

Be thankfull that you don't/can't do his job. Shoot someone dead in a less crowded area is more friendly?????