Dead man was innocent.....
24 July 2005, 02:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Petem95
Innocent - ie not linked to the recent terror attacks on London, however running from the Police suggests he was guilty of at least some wrong doings.
One less scumbag/potential extremist off the streets anyway.
One less scumbag/potential extremist off the streets anyway.
i agree, nothing to hide, dont run, what a shame 
he must of known whats going on in town, if some cop tells you to freeze, best bet is to do it or get shot. As above, one less, us good tax rip off paying people have to pay for. (my heart bleeds, not)
24 July 2005, 07:49 AM
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If he was totally innocent it is tragic that he was killed.
I believe however that the armed officers acted entirely correctly in the circumstances as reported. We do not know the exact circumstances since we are not eye witnesses nor do we have access to all the facts which were known to the police anyway.
I regret that some people on this thread feel it is necessary to celebrate the man's death when it has not been proved that he was anything to do with the bombings.
Les
I believe however that the armed officers acted entirely correctly in the circumstances as reported. We do not know the exact circumstances since we are not eye witnesses nor do we have access to all the facts which were known to the police anyway.
I regret that some people on this thread feel it is necessary to celebrate the man's death when it has not been proved that he was anything to do with the bombings.
Les
24 July 2005, 08:46 AM
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Theres a lesson to be learnt here. In light of recent incidents, when armed police tell you to stop, don't run away! The tube driver did the rigtht thing, unfortunately, the Brazillian man didn't.
24 July 2005, 09:31 AM
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From an asian media source
Originally Posted by www.asianage.com
A plainclothes officer was reportedly on the tail of the suspect after a tip-off as he vaulted a ticket barrier at Stockwell station in south London and boarded a stationary Tube train just after 10 am GMT. Eyewitnesses recalled his black baseball cap and wires protruding from a blue padded winter coat, which stood out as an odd piece of clothing for the season. Policemen in flak jackets screamed at other passengers on the train to get down before a marksman fired five shots at the target, who had fallen or tripped to the ground and was killed instantly.
24 July 2005, 10:21 AM
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just watched the news this morning,alot of things that have been said on this thread have been confirmed.I have nothing more to say....except,I pray no one else gets killed........but do hope that the few who think the few idiots who think the man deserved to die,can try and rethink their veiws........
24 July 2005, 10:30 AM
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The intelligence in this country is absolutly shi te....first they dont manage to pick up the london bombings....now they shoot a poor brazillian lad not even connected to the bombings......last time I heard running away from plain clothes police men doesn't carry the death sentance....think i may have run also if I saw several white guys chasing me with guns!
Keep a look out for a asian guy with wires coming out of his top.....lol dont make me laugh!
Keep a look out for a asian guy with wires coming out of his top.....lol dont make me laugh!
24 July 2005, 10:35 AM
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''Eyewitnesses recalled his black baseball cap and wires protruding from a blue padded winter coat''
Well thats been proven to be a lot of rubbish! Eye witnesses in dreamland and full of imagination!
The fact he was not linked to the bombings mean he didn't die with a bomb on him!
Well thats been proven to be a lot of rubbish! Eye witnesses in dreamland and full of imagination!
The fact he was not linked to the bombings mean he didn't die with a bomb on him!
24 July 2005, 10:54 AM
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The only thing I question is why the police chased him into the train, which is a crowded enclosed area, lets face it, if he was a bomber he would have detonated into the tube.
WHy didn't they prevent him entering the station?
WHy didn't they prevent him entering the station?
24 July 2005, 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by khany
The intelligence in this country is absolutly shi te....first they dont manage to pick up the london bombings....now they shoot a poor brazillian lad not even connected to the bombings......last time I heard running away from plain clothes police men doesn't carry the death sentance....think i may have run also if I saw several white guys chasing me with guns!
Keep a look out for a asian guy with wires coming out of his top.....lol dont make me laugh!
Keep a look out for a asian guy with wires coming out of his top.....lol dont make me laugh!
24 July 2005, 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by KiwiGTI
Why didn't they prevent him entering the station?
WTF is that all about??
If he was a SB he would have blown the bus to bits!
I believe this to be the worst error of the day! He should never have been allowed to travel on a bus if he was a suspect! If they had dealt with the situation much earlier the police would not be in this huge mess!
It isn't really a matter of what happened when he got in the tube network! Its what didn't happen before!
The police are 100% to blame and made the wrong decisions! Fateful decisions!
Crap intelligence and allowing him to travel to the tube!! BIG MISTAKE!!!!
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24 July 2005, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by pete1977
You know nothing of the intelligence services in this country you cretin!
Go on pete1977 you tell me about them......
cretin....nice
24 July 2005, 11:40 AM
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To add to all the others question here, his cousin who identified his body said he had bullet holes in his neck and in his back. If there were a risk that he had a bomb on him, why shoot him in the back?
khany, I wouldn't be as blunt myself but I do believe that the picture we're given about great intelligence and how we've been protected from several attacks in the past isn't true. I've yet to see anyone being charged with attempted terrorist acts. I also don't recall any or many IRA members being charged in the past. That's not to say I believe the police or intelligence services are not doing the best job they can, just that the very nature of terrorism makes it very difficult to defeat.
khany, I wouldn't be as blunt myself but I do believe that the picture we're given about great intelligence and how we've been protected from several attacks in the past isn't true. I've yet to see anyone being charged with attempted terrorist acts. I also don't recall any or many IRA members being charged in the past. That's not to say I believe the police or intelligence services are not doing the best job they can, just that the very nature of terrorism makes it very difficult to defeat.
24 July 2005, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by gsm1
To add to all the others question here, his cousin who identified his body said he had bullet holes in his neck and in his back. If there were a risk that he had a bomb on him, why shoot him in the back?
khany, I wouldn't be as blunt myself but I do believe that the picture we're given about great intelligence and how we've been protected from several attacks in the past isn't true. I've yet to see anyone being charged with attempted terrorist acts. I also don't recall any or many IRA members being charged in the past. That's not to say I believe the police or intelligence services are not doing the best job they can, just that the very nature of terrorism makes it very difficult to defeat.
khany, I wouldn't be as blunt myself but I do believe that the picture we're given about great intelligence and how we've been protected from several attacks in the past isn't true. I've yet to see anyone being charged with attempted terrorist acts. I also don't recall any or many IRA members being charged in the past. That's not to say I believe the police or intelligence services are not doing the best job they can, just that the very nature of terrorism makes it very difficult to defeat.
24 July 2005, 11:47 AM
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Playing devils advocate, do we know if the bus was packed with people? if your intention is to create as much damage and distruption, would you detonate on an near empty bus or would you try an underground station were there is more likely to be more people, where its harder for people to escape, and harder for the emergency services and clear up crews to access, thereby disabling the public transport system more effectively?
We don't know what intelligence info the Police had to act on? We shouldn't make presumtions that the Police should have or shouldn't have done this or that. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Remember the Police are trying to protect the public the best they can and in most instances they are doing this, but they also need public the public to support them too. Everyone makes mistakes, you take what you can from it and learn to try and not make the same again and i guarentee that is what the Police will be doing. They may not have prevented these incidences in the past 2 weeks, but if you look back from 9/11 they have already prevented many potential attacks.
Its not a muslim, or an asian or a race "thing", look beyond that and its a mindless group of individuals who believe that they are at war with Britain and wanting to create mass carnage.
We don't know what intelligence info the Police had to act on? We shouldn't make presumtions that the Police should have or shouldn't have done this or that. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. Remember the Police are trying to protect the public the best they can and in most instances they are doing this, but they also need public the public to support them too. Everyone makes mistakes, you take what you can from it and learn to try and not make the same again and i guarentee that is what the Police will be doing. They may not have prevented these incidences in the past 2 weeks, but if you look back from 9/11 they have already prevented many potential attacks.
Its not a muslim, or an asian or a race "thing", look beyond that and its a mindless group of individuals who believe that they are at war with Britain and wanting to create mass carnage.
24 July 2005, 11:56 AM
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Originally Posted by khany
You can never defeat Terrorism and never will.
Unfortunately we're going down the wrong road and only making the problem even worse. We're told that thus far we've been saved from several attacks so we'll give up our civil liberties to be protected.
24 July 2005, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by jonc
And there are so many on this forum are so quick to criticise others.....
24 July 2005, 12:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Huxley
Your'e an asshalf Moses but we don't have to tell you that you already know that
And if buy chance you were on fire I wouldn't pi$$ on you
And if buy chance you were on fire I wouldn't pi$$ on you
lol @ huxley i dont want pee over me if u can use water
i would be merciful enuff to pour water over u
, if u happened to be on fire
24 July 2005, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
Good man. So your not winding any one up then?
not at all mate, it was all serious talk with soulgirl then we made peace and then chip and tel came on and it started from their
by the way happy sunday afternoon
24 July 2005, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Another post, another insult, moses? Must make you feel proud to be Scottish.
dont bring my country into it, r u the wau u are coz your english, i doubt it
creeps like u get treated the way u do
24 July 2005, 12:19 PM
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No, you'll never stop terrorism but you can certainly keep it in check.
Unfortunately we're going down the wrong road and only making the problem even worse. We're told that thus far we've been saved from several attacks so we'll give up our civil liberties to be protected.
Unfortunately we're going down the wrong road and only making the problem even worse. We're told that thus far we've been saved from several attacks so we'll give up our civil liberties to be protected.
24 July 2005, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by JTaylor
When Moses was born the Hebrews were slaves in Egypt. Pharaoh was afraid of them because he thought they might take over his country. He ordered that all Hebrew baby boys be killed at birth so that they would not grow up and fight against him. To save Moses his mother made a plan. She hid him in a basket by the side of the River Nile. Moses' mother has regretted this ever since.
One day Moses lost his temper and killed an Egyptian who had beaten a Hebrew slave to death. He had to run away to another land - Scooby land. God spoke to him from a burning bush and told him he must go and bug the crap out of ALL people that frequent Scoobynet and spout utter nonsense at every available opportunity.
Moses has remianed true to Gods instructions.
One day Moses lost his temper and killed an Egyptian who had beaten a Hebrew slave to death. He had to run away to another land - Scooby land. God spoke to him from a burning bush and told him he must go and bug the crap out of ALL people that frequent Scoobynet and spout utter nonsense at every available opportunity.
Moses has remianed true to Gods instructions.
lol that is so cool i luv u bud
i luv prophet moses one of my greatest hero's he brought his enemy down to his knee's
pharoah oppressed moses people so much at the end God gave them a mighty punishment
u know who the pharoah of the world is now, the usa , they control everything and their mighty viziers the magicians israel and other allies
subjagate the innocents and make them slaves till moses free's them glory be to God all young muslims who who resist r the lil moses's
i hope u understand, i used to play prophet moses peace be upon him in the plays when i was a kid
and when my nieces and nephews were small they used to play that too , i used to do the dialogues and they played moses and pharoah
24 July 2005, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by jonc
look beyond that and its a mindless group of individuals who believe that they are at war with Britain and wanting to create mass carnage.
24 July 2005, 12:27 PM
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Originally Posted by kingofturds
he was running away from the police he must have had something to hide. How long will it be before the 2 cops are suspended and end up on a manslaughter charge
Thats what im afraid of sick to deaf of all these human rights /??? can any 1 plz tell me y a man who says the suicide men are mortars are not sent straight out the country instead they are given sickness benefit and a people carrier and a £200 00 house in london so they need not travell when showing the loonies where and when to plant the bombs its madness ...The police have a very hard job to do and 1 mistake suspended and slogged untill they crack up ..
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Originally Posted by UK300-199
Not read all the posts but this is something you will NOT hear on the news.
Dewsbury,Asian woman battered by 5 White men.
Nottingham,Asian Man killed.
Leeds,Asian Man Killed.
Sikh Gurdwhara Burned down.
Wakefield,Asian woman batterd and hair cut By 3 white men.
Wakefield,Asian woman spat on.
Many MAny more attacks all over the country on Asians,So if youre asian you see 3 men chasing you what will you do??
Stand or Run.I'll tell you what id do I'D RUN.Just like he did,He got shot 5 times point blank range.
Its happened to me 6 months ago when i got followed by astra i wouldnt stop until they levelled up and showed me their badges i did not know they were coppers.
He could have been deaf and not heard their shouts.
I feel sorry for the innocent lives which have been lost and the innocent lives which will be lost.
Dewsbury,Asian woman battered by 5 White men.
Nottingham,Asian Man killed.
Leeds,Asian Man Killed.
Sikh Gurdwhara Burned down.
Wakefield,Asian woman batterd and hair cut By 3 white men.
Wakefield,Asian woman spat on.
Many MAny more attacks all over the country on Asians,So if youre asian you see 3 men chasing you what will you do??
Stand or Run.I'll tell you what id do I'D RUN.Just like he did,He got shot 5 times point blank range.
Its happened to me 6 months ago when i got followed by astra i wouldnt stop until they levelled up and showed me their badges i did not know they were coppers.
He could have been deaf and not heard their shouts.
I feel sorry for the innocent lives which have been lost and the innocent lives which will be lost.
maybe its time to defend ourselves and take the war to the bigots