Perception

Oi Julz......U bein racist??????

I Quote:

"bollocks to all this British National, they aren't white are they, I thought you had to be white to be British???"

I like to remind you that its YOUR govt., that let 'em in.....Its Western Policy that has F**Ked up global relations......

As far as White = British.......well Im an ENGLISH FAMILY born Muslim?????? i.e. convert....You gonna persecute me now????

I quote again:

'Right it is very obvious that everyone has their own opinions and views , so why can people not just let others speak their mind instead of jumping in and shooting people down in flames.'

OH REALLY???? ...
....Is that why you have the god given right to spk a loada crap, see first quote, and think its all water under the bridge????? Its called HYPOCRACY...Just like western policy....one for us and another for them????

FULL OF CR@P i.e. NO SUBSTANCE, ...if u cant discuss a serious issue in an adult manner, please refrain and return to your kindergarten and play with the toys that BLAIR/BUSH and the likes keep throwin at ya

Angry

I think it get what your saying now Julz, thanks.

Bravo, how about Nick Griffon in the BNP corner and Osama Binlid in the Al Qaeda corner

Julz1983

So funny, who spat their dummy.

The reason I get so uptight about all of these followers of Islam who are suicide bombers is coz Blair and Bush will have more troops back out to one of the countries they want to attack next, one of those troops being my husband who I don't want returning in a box!!!!!

moses

yes they should have been, they were so sick they slapped a 50 yr old man iqbal sacranie, old enuff to be their dad, they should have had their hands cut aff , they slapped him in a mosque

http://www.dailypundit.com/newarchives/001153.php

moses

lol nice poem haha boogeyman is here

if u can red and bravo i dont know who is on today

watch agenda on the islam channel 836 i hope its good, yvonne ridleys been out doing other meetings the other chap is doing her show this week 11.05 now on

unclebuck

So, don't make the mistake of blaming 'them'. Blame those responsible for putting your hubby in such a position. The Blair/Bush axis...

moses

yeah probably see qoqaz boys luv SAS training so did the chechens so these guys on the net used to recommend these books and other war books like japanese, chinese, napeolons conquests etc

and TA to get into fitness, it was mad that time it was mostly pro chechen and then it got took aff the site

moses

amen bravo i swear im waiting for the day these *******s in both sides always pick on innocents, blowing them up or firebomb their homes and attack them on the streets , it will be so cool if these c;unts cleanse each other, their so cowardly and weak *******s they dont fight each other which will be a fair war but rather pick on civilians

well said

moses

lol nice one we shall call it after ian stuarts site BLOOD AND HONOUR title match

moses

bros nick griffin is a traitor , always was, he using all this rhetoric to win support coz before racially he couldnt attack anyone or even the jewish religion coz it was classed as racial so only choice he had was islam

he is the same c;unt who was in bed with gaddafi and used to go their and gather money and was pro iranian

he doesnt like to answer those questions now when he is asked

moses

bros nick griffin is a hypocritical *******, he cant attack anyone racially anymore or the jews coz their classed as a race or blacks etc so the only choice he had was to attack muslims coz their not a race

its the same c;unt who was in bed with gaddafi was up and about in libya gathering funds and lobbying and also pro iranian

moses

did u watch the interview off the pakistani president

well said , i liked it

he said how can u blame pakistan when the problem was your own countrymen and blame your culture and not us, they were extreme already before they came here and the guys uncle said the same he came extreme and hurt from england already , it wasnt in pakistan he was brainwashed

but musharraf went onto say it was those fanatical preachers your own country let loose and they were allowed to speak freely and brainwashed english youth with hatred and u cant blame us they werent pakistanis only their parents were.

also he said your own government didnt do anything when al mujahiroun and hizbu tahrir were asking for my head on the plate and calling me a traitor and someone who should be killed.

he was right, the uk government knew what these guys were saying about musharaff and he should be killed but they let them spew crap instead of deporting them , which they should have done yrs ago

they only put captain hook in the jail when it became embarrising , he was thrown out of the mosque and for over 2 months he started preaching outside in the street in front of the police

and they didnt do anything till it became so embarrising

moses

lol true, u know yemen has been after abu hamza for yrs but the uk dont wanna hand him over to him, u mind they locked his son up for yrs and his mates in yemen they were planning a terrorist attack

and i used to that like that liberty group one time for innocent people now they started defending c;unts like bakri and abu hamza and qatada, i couldnt believe it, anyone spewing **** like this and not being a british national should be thrown out and they were thrown out of their own countries and the uk opened their arms up to them

Leslie

I would never want to see the demise of free speech in this country, but there is an enormous difference between that and incitement to carry out atrocities.

Those guilty of that should be rounded up and thrown in gaol at once, and then kicked out of the country.

Les

RedFive

May I politely disagree (partially) ?

We have laws for this stuff don't we. Inciting to racial hatred, inciting to commit a crime. Get a good lawyer and throw the book at those radical loony people.

Deportation OTOH is a very negative concept/word, and you can not deport people who have a valid permit. Personally I detest the word deportation.

We do have the laws, we just need to apply them more sensibly, and with more vigour.

Another thought: we do underestimate the role that media, and more importantly, internet plays in all this. I can well imagine fruitcakes radicalizing without ever having been to a Mosque. I'm not saying one shouldn't clap down on the imported crackpots, but I'm saying that it won't solve everything.

OllyK

I thought deportation was merely the process of expelling somebody from the country for a wrong doing.

I suspect you'd have a problem doing that to a British citizen, but not somebody who is here on a visa, you just revoke it and put them on a plane - or am I missing something?

moses

i know they def need to be sent packing back to where they came from and get their just desserts

it will make them vary of the beheading a lil bit and show them how quick its done when it happens to themselves sheikh captian hook sleepy hollow

moses

thats what he means mate the non nationals who got chucked out of their countries and we bring them in here with our lurvley arms next mugabe will be coming here and we will give him a nice house in west london

were so generous the uk lads

OllyK

So how many of the extremists we have here have been exiled as opposed to left in order to avoid punishment?

RedFive

Maybe it's just a cultural/linguistic thing then ... mainland Europe tends to link it to some organized transports in 1940-1945...

And no, an expired visa is an expired visa, period. Them's the rulez. But, this becoming a global world and all that, splendid isolation only goes that far.

Say you deport these ***** to Egypt.... good thing we never go on holiday there eh, if you see what I mean.

I know people who think they are Napoleon. I do think these extremists are very similar. Fruitcakes.

I think we will need to prevent other folk from believing them.

RedFive

That is going to be the balancing act, isn't it ?

Stay open for people who can build up a life here, with mutual benefits.

Act very hard on those who only want to make a mess.

OllyK

You seem to be drawing parallels to **** Death camps and removal of non-nationals from a country. Or are you saying we can exile (in this case) the radical british clerics etc? Not picking a fight here, just trying to get clear what you are trying to say.

Sure, but I was referring to revoke and deport, not just standard exiry deportation / return to country of origin.

Better to have them where you can keep and eye on them??

Easier said than done, but certainly doesn't hurt to get the message out there, the issue is doing it with them being able to claim they are being opressed and thus get support becuase of that.

RedFive

It's not parallels really. Ask any Dutch, French, Belgian citizen older than say 30 what the word "deportation" means to them, and you'd probably have 70 % linking it to WWII. I'm not trying to see connections that are not there, I'm telling you the word is highly "suspect" in many countries outside the UK.

(there was no chunnel back then, if you like sarcasm)

Erm, yeah.

These people - if we are talking radical immams still - are not opressed. They are breaking the law in the UK. (Netherlands, France, Belgium, Spain, etc). Throw the book at them.

As for easier said than done: I agree, and somehow I don't think terrorism will end with 21/7. In fact, I have the horrible feeling we'll have to deal with this **** for some time to come.

OllyK

OK, but it doesn't have quite the same connotations in this country, but I appreciate the clarification.

I'd tend to agree, but there are others who say NIMBY.

I don't like what is being said, but on the other hand how much further do we allow Freedom of Speech to be eroded? We are unlikely to change thier views by prosecuting, if anything it may make them more bitter and twised and drive them under ground. Personally drag them out in to the public and show them up for the bigots they are (again that may be easier said than done).

I said much the same earlier today!

Deep Singh

Did'nt the BNP try and forge links with extreme Islamic groups like Loius Farrakhans mob. They both believe in segregation. I bet the BNP do not advertise that anymore on their pamphlets

AsifScoob

This is a an excellent thread and I would like to contribute.

I have had some mixed feelings around some of the rhethoric I have been hearing recently. Why? Because some of it strikes chords deep within and I am very sensitive to anything connected to race issues.

However, having thought about it loads and reading absolutely tons of stuff about it, I am now of the CLEAR view that people here as Asylum Seekers, whether genuine or not, but then act in an inciteful way, should be simply sent back to where they came from. If they have broken the Law of the Land, they should meet the proper penalty for that.

Dont get me wrong, there has to have been a crime committed, if the CPS feel they can get a conviction under incitement (or any other pertinent) Law then they should do so. If there is suitable suspicion of incitement and that is enough for a deportation, then I am happy with that, tbh. There should be sufficient transparency in these cases though too.

Now, I hope that sounds simple enough, but there are so many issues in there that I am very wary of, that are bound to complicate matters.

Further, I do not think this is a cure for terrorism and I have gone on enough about what I believe the real causes are, on other threads. What it will do is allay some fears within the British public, it SHOULD have an effect on some of the home grown terror we have seen, it WILL send a message to the right people about UK tolerance for this sort of thing and most of all, it MAY make my life a bit easier.

Tensions here have grown enormously and I do feel that people like myself have borne an unfair brunt of it, simply because I am Asian and living here.

My Fathers generation came over here for one reason only, to build a life. He never spouted hatred for anyone, never took a days dole money, never got in touble with the law, always payed his taxes - you get the picture? And all five of his kids are the same.

These extremist hate preachers have no part of any of that, but they do seem in a position to somehow affect it, negatively, and I am not happy about that.

I like to think that things will calm down a bit too, but I cant be sure of that. Might have to get much worse before it gets better.

Asif

moses

alot trust me, we only hear of the ones who say it openly, didnt u hear about the evil afghan warlord who was living here and enjoying life and he had slayed so many innocents in afghanistan for 2 decades, im glad his crimes caught up , a pity he will have a silly punishment here and then freed when the ****** should have been beheaded including usa ally the evil hitler of afghanistan abdul rashid dostum