Petem95

You could argue that this is religion Moses

moses

no it isnt

bush always uses biblical quotes and phrases do u really think what he is doing like the warmongry, bloodthirsty and oil crazy and wealth crazy addiction he has got is to do with christianity

when jesus taught turn the other cheek and its easier for a camel to go through a needles eye than a richman to get to heaven etc etc

moses

one more thing u all forget darwins racism the survival of the fittest , war, diseases and natural disasters r a must against the coloured folk to keep the balance of power ofthe white race to be dominant and if u look majority of the people dying in the world r all poor ethnic folk and not the europeans or the americans, those leaders in those countries r backed up by the west and sold arms to cause friction and oppression

its all to do with this so called theory of evolution

is that to do with power, u forget polpot and other commies like him and also that north korean guy, they dont believe in God or a religion

and look at the religion of capitalism, thats not religious is it

Petem95

This isnt true moses, 'white countries' dont sell weapons to leader of ethnic countries to 'cause friction and oppression'! (as you appear to be suggesting) Many countries such as America have huge amounts of weapons, many held by civilians, but they arent having a civil war like many African countries for example. You cant blame Europeans and Americans for everything!

moses

im not only their governments

and yes its happening alot, happened in the past in africa and still happens till this day american weapons and as someone said yesterday arms from britain to sierra leone

natural selection , hmm no wonder the west luvs darwin mate, it makes them feel not guilty of bombing and oppression the coloured folk, see its the survivial of the strongest and the weak the poor will be finished aff, isnt that right

its not bull**** its for real , go back in history and even read about ota benga the african boy in an english zoo put next to monkeys

u talking about religion when it has nothing to do with religion, thats where im getting at , bush, blair u really think their religious, my **** they r.

edited to add i found some of my dvd's i promised to my friend ollyk here when he watches them and sends them back i will copy them and also send u them too

their quite good for experience

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Could it be that the west have got things a little easier due to the climate being a little more easy going, most of the famine is due to drought is it not, I dont think there is any White consiracy to keep anyone slightly darker in oppression and poverty, I mean the Arab states do pretty well on the oil money, they dont seem to splash it around helping the poor, they just seem to buy fleets of exotic cars.

I do respect another persons religous beliefs, they are welcome to pray to whatever they want to, If the Muslim guy at work wants to come back from prayer late then I dont say anything, I take an interest in his religion as most of the aggro seems to be based on fear of the unknown and nowadays I learn a lot about Islam, I also talk to the Christian guys and have a similar interest, but thats all it is, an interest, I find the whole thing bemusing but interesting, I am glad its all optional these days. My Sunday morning does not involve hymms and prayers, today it was a twenty mile bike ride through some lovely countryside, a cup of coffee and a Sausage bap and then back home, that lifted my spirits and set me up for the day so if somebody gets that from their religion then far be it from me to criticise.

I do think there is a niche for something that would perhaps sort out the mess society is in, not a religion, perhaps a moral code that religion used to provide but stripped of all the stuff that people find hard to swallow, you know the bits about Adam and Eve, plus it would need to be 'cool', going to church is not seen by anybody as cool.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

These "It's the white person's fault that the world is in a mess" statements are absurd. Talk about racism! I for one am not going to apologize for the fact that western countries are hundreds of years more advanced than others. The reason we have so much ‘conflict’ is because some societies have moved on whilst others seem to be stuck in a middle ages type mentality. I would explain why the world is the way it is but I can't be bothered frankly as I know its going to be like talking to a brick wall.

The Muslim religion is in my opinion being abused as was Christianity in Europe many hundreds of years ago. It is being used as a power base. I hope that as education improves throughout the world people we will see less and less of this fanatical and irrational behaviour in the name of being a member of a particular religious group. This is however what scares those who are in great positions of power in the name is Islam - they don't want people to take more control over their own lives and they certainly don't want people to start making choices.

I was in Thailand recently and discovered that there is lots of fighting going on in the south of the country. Basically Muslims are moving into the area and refusing to respect the Buddhists living there - and so are destroying their temples etc. Moses, I am not trying to cause offence and I respect your views, but can you explain to me why such a lot of the current conflict in this world seems to centre around Muslims? Surely it can't all be everybody else's fault?

Whatever you choose to say about western society - we have freedom. Freedom to do and say what we want. I personally think it’s crazy that we allow people to walk the streets in this country spreading hate, telling others that Western society is evil and full of bad and immoral people. But that is rightly or wrongly allowed in democratic societies (well was until these unprecedented circumstances anyway). What western society has achieved, true freedom of choice, is precious and certainly did not come easily.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

Oh and just to illustrate the freedom to say what you want bit...



I cannot understand why any god would want one of its most beautiful creations, women, to cover themselves up with just a little slit to look out of. I find the whole Muslim female dress thing disturbing and think it problem stemmed from some nutters insecurities somewhere along the line. If you’re worried about somebody else pulling your girl friend what better than to make her walk around completely covered up!

shaunywrx

I think you'll find its cheaper than suncream, thats all it is.

Aaquil

I thought that this thread was about racism not Islaam?!!! Just because you do not understand why Muslim women cover there is no need to insult. If Moses gets your back up then not all Muslims are like that!

If a nun wears the clothing she wears then she is pious but if a Muslim women covers as she does then she is oppressed and the husband/father is a religious nutter. Well my wife covers and so do I (I wear a flowing long shirt as you see Arabs wearing and I never wear tight revealing clothes...I also have a beard these are obligations for me). As a practising Muslim I do not consider myself as a nutter just a practising Muslim...I am a healthcare professional and I care for all of humanity (men, women, Muslim and Non Muslim) I do not consider one more deserving of my help than any other and I am total opposed to any kind of bloodshed by Muslim or otherwise...the life of an animal is sacred let alone a human being.

In this respect the community of Muslims I am associated with will be doing a number of Conferences on Anti-Terrorism (already done in Leeds and Bradford) to continue in Birmingham this Saturday, next Sat London, Sat after that Birmingham again, finally in Manchester...Muslims and Non Muslim alike are welcome if you want details I can post them up or anyone is welcome to PM me.

I hope that helps

Aaquil.

moses

i only got one thing to say, same usual boring stuff , answered replies thousands of times and no point even replying if the ears and eyes r sealed


ben wrx , thailand muslims aint moving to another area , they have been their for over 800 or more yrs , thai people who converted to islam like whole of indonesia and 60% of malaysia and 85% of bali people did and the thai authority is oppression the minority muslims in the south as do the burmese budhists oppress other minorities not just muslims and as u know that poor lady who has been locked up in her home in rangoon for i dont know how many yrs

so its bull**** u talking about muslims moving into an area and not respecting budhist customs, b-o-l-l-o-c-k-s

same happened in sri lanka where majority budhists slaughtered and raped and pillaged the minority tamil hindu society and as u know the suicide bombers started in sri lanka by the tamily minority against an evil sri lankan regime

Aaquil

Can we please get our points across without resorting to swearing and sarcasm it doesn't help it just gets peoples' backs up.

moses

pete this is for u and if others want to read their welcome this book costs 15 quid or so to buy me thinks

u can read it all online a good and famous book


and about darwin etc
and somebody said whites r more advanced, yes it wasnt always the case

while the ancestors of me aka moses and other middle eastern,persian and sub continent were ruling the roost and so far ahead of anyone in the world

the egyptians, assyrians, babylonians, indus mahabarata time the vedic people the real religion before it was called hinduism by the foreigners and hittities, etc etc were so far ahead the european nations were living in jungles

no bull****m im sure u know the history, muslim nations were so far ahead than anyone as u know the renaissance changed it all when europe changed and while changing slaughtered muslims and jews all over.

then the time of the colonials came, so the 3rd world has been free for 50 yrs and in some cases still isnt coz of controlling the leaders and their minerals and wealth so it will take time and they will get their.

u heard of eriteria , ethopia one of the greatest and richest nations of one time ruled by a christian king anajashi a very rich nation and other african nations too , they werent always poor

http://www.harunyahya.com/fascism.php


and also regarding poverty and also survivial of the strongest

did u know we have evil people among ourselves, our own british people the high class used to place very poor people and sick people in ghetto's in britain and threw them all in the same area's and even built narrower streets for them so they can catch diseases and die, so the poor people die of illness and poverty and not just that did u know the rich folk of britain and the government used to use lil 6 to 8 yr old children british children in coalmines and they used to die of illness's, u heard of generations using canaries so if the bird dies get out theirs gas or something dangerous well before that they used to use poor lil children

moses

no worries i will try


here is another book

http://www.harunyahya.com/disaster1.php

Aaquil

It was not just directed at you Moses but all of us.

Thanks all the same

Aaquil.

moses

dont worry bros, its cool

Leslie

Quite a lot of what Ben WRX said is reasonable in many ways. I do feel that Muslims or any religion in this country should have the freedom that you mentioned to dress how they like and worship according to their customs as long as it is not offensive in British eyes, and we are not expected to follow suit.

Yes we appear to have freedom of choice and expression at the moment, but I prophecy that that will eventually disappear if we allow people like we have had in recent times to govern us. All those civil liberties which were so hard fought for will go as they find further excuses to take them away. All of a sudden we are likely to find we have lost all control of our own future and we should be careful to try to stop that happening. There are vivid examples in history, not so far in the past either!

Les

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

Moses, my post about the Muslims in Thailand – this is what all the Thai’s I met out there told me about the situation. It was often a talking point given that there are now armed police at the Bangkok airport for fear of terrorist attacks. I do accept that there are two sides to everything however! Even though your posts can be difficult to understand and at times concerning, I admit there is something to learn from them.

Aaquil, my post about the Muslim female dress was my own point of view. It wasn’t a racist comment and was just showing that we all ought to be free to say what we want. Christians often have to deal with their religion being criticized and they usually don’t take it personally. Muslims need to be prepared to discuss their religion in this society without getting aggressive or very defensive.

Leslie, glad you posted! You’re right, things are very fragile in reality and this is a crucial time. I hope your prophecy doesn’t happen but I think it probably will the way things are going.

moses

ben i found this for u regarding thailand, the south was actually a muslim sultanate and it was took over by the thailand goverment and they oppressed them etc



http://islamonline.net/English/News/...rticle06.shtml


http://islamonline.net/English/News/...rticle03.shtml



u will find alot more

and will make it brief, regarding u saying christians dont get worked up etc, u saw the demo;s banning corpus christi the play didnt u, rightfully so

and majority people dont practice christianity anymore they associate it with consumerism, christianity = to xmas presents and more customers followed by easter, nothing holy about it anymore and if they did their wont be many illlegitimate children in christian countries if they did, i was actually gonna say b@5stard children but some may be offended so i wont go and say that

i said the above with respect, if u did practice christianity in the west or even if muslims practised islam in the east or here our countries wont be in a mess

Petem95

spot on post Ben!

Thanks moses, looks like that might be an interesting read!

moses

your welcome bud