*Choices Again* C4S / TT / CSL
10 August 2005, 04:41 PM
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I think you think of me as more of a petrol head driver than I actually am 
I spend most of my time on motorways, and I'm happy with a 15 minute Nurburgring time
Coming out off the CSL which was SMG, I just didn't want another car with a stick. The manual might be quicker, might be more of a drivers car, but these days I'd rather turn up my James Blunt CD and light another ciggy
If I was the stig, completely see your point, 100% manual all the way. But the amount of times I actually 'go for it' these days is slim. I just love cars, love being behind the wheel, love being in Europe.
When I got SMG in the first M3 I didn't miss sticks atall, I know that it's basically a manual box, but to be honest I left it in drive most of the time. Sure I have blasts through the country and switched over to padles, but 75% of my time was motorways!
It might not be for me, in which case the GT3 is next on my list, but I've got 12 days on Friday to put it through it's paces on a drive from UK > Ring > Switzerland, so when I get back I will be able to tell you what I think of it.
Then I'll probably post some pics of my GT3
I spend most of my time on motorways, and I'm happy with a 15 minute Nurburgring time
Coming out off the CSL which was SMG, I just didn't want another car with a stick. The manual might be quicker, might be more of a drivers car, but these days I'd rather turn up my James Blunt CD and light another ciggy
If I was the stig, completely see your point, 100% manual all the way. But the amount of times I actually 'go for it' these days is slim. I just love cars, love being behind the wheel, love being in Europe.
When I got SMG in the first M3 I didn't miss sticks atall, I know that it's basically a manual box, but to be honest I left it in drive most of the time. Sure I have blasts through the country and switched over to padles, but 75% of my time was motorways!
It might not be for me, in which case the GT3 is next on my list, but I've got 12 days on Friday to put it through it's paces on a drive from UK > Ring > Switzerland, so when I get back I will be able to tell you what I think of it.
Then I'll probably post some pics of my GT3
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10 August 2005, 04:51 PM
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Originally Posted by fromage
Can see where he is coming from though, a Manual would have been way better than a auto in this type of car
It's in the market place as a luxury super car, not a track car, thats the GT3.
The 911 Turbo is too heavy to be a track car, it's all about leather, computers, classical music, but at the same time getting from A > B as fast as possible.
If you really want a drivers porker you buy the GT3.
The Turbo, with it's 4wd system, and tiptronic option is not the porker you want to choice if you want a track weapon.
And that is the reason why I wanted it, when the snow starts to set in around the Black Forest, I still want to reach my desination, something which the CSL or M3 for that matter couldn't do.
I'm in complete aggreement that a true drivers car should have a stick, yes 100%, but I'm not that driver.
If I was, and if that's want I wanted the GT3 would be on my drive.
SO yes aggree with you about the stick, but disaggree with you that 'I' made the wrong choice
10 August 2005, 04:58 PM
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But still, a auto is not much easier to drive on the motorway as you would be keeping it in the same gear anyway, all you have done with a Auto is make it even more lardy and slower, but hey it still not exactly slow looking forward to seeing it, and after all your driving it so choose whatever you want like the GT3 idea though
looking forward to seeing it, and after all your driving it so choose whatever you want like the GT3 idea though
10 August 2005, 05:02 PM
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Well the tiptronis S does still have the option to change gear whenever you like, so it's not like I'm 100% restricted.
There are + & - here on both counts, Adam is coming at it from a purely drivers view point, where I am coming at it from a Touring viewpoint.
I think the manual is 9.3 to 100, and the Tiptronic is 10.4, so yes the manual is the quicker car, but I'm sure I'll cope with 10.4
There are + & - here on both counts, Adam is coming at it from a purely drivers view point, where I am coming at it from a Touring viewpoint.
I think the manual is 9.3 to 100, and the Tiptronic is 10.4, so yes the manual is the quicker car, but I'm sure I'll cope with 10.4
10 August 2005, 05:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevetas
Well the tiptronis S does still have the option to change gear whenever you like, so it's not like I'm 100% restricted.
There are + & - here on both counts, Adam is coming at it from a purely drivers view point, where I am coming at it from a Touring viewpoint.
I think the manual is 9.3 to 100, and the Tiptronic is 10.4, so yes the manual is the quicker car, but I'm sure I'll cope with 10.4
There are + & - here on both counts, Adam is coming at it from a purely drivers view point, where I am coming at it from a Touring viewpoint.
I think the manual is 9.3 to 100, and the Tiptronic is 10.4, so yes the manual is the quicker car, but I'm sure I'll cope with 10.4
Enjoy it mate!!
Take it easy at the ring!
All the best.
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10 August 2005, 07:31 PM
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Steve, I'd be interested to know how the SMG compares to the 'manual' setting of the tiptronic ie are the up/down changes of the tip as fast as the SMG?
I was quite impressed by the SMG and was wondering whether the tip was as good.
The tip/switch on my AMG is awful!!
Cheers
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I was quite impressed by the SMG and was wondering whether the tip was as good.
The tip/switch on my AMG is awful!!
Cheers
Deep
10 August 2005, 08:59 PM
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Wierd, in the turbo I drove it actually changed pretty fast, all be it more smooth than SMG.
Maybe it's because the turbo has enough power to be able to get away with tiptronic?
Maybe it's because the turbo has enough power to be able to get away with tiptronic?
10 August 2005, 09:13 PM
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Here is a good manual vs tiptronic thread.
Seems to me really is each to their own on this argument.
Makes an interesting read:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...48&t=87025&h=0
Personally, I'm so used to SMG now, going back to manual would be strange. Like Adam says, I must be an old man, I think he's correct!
Seems to me really is each to their own on this argument.
Makes an interesting read:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/t...48&t=87025&h=0
Personally, I'm so used to SMG now, going back to manual would be strange. Like Adam says, I must be an old man, I think he's correct!
10 August 2005, 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Nevetas
I taken it you have driven a tiptronic s 911 Turbo?
An auto/tip is definitely a more relaxing drive, both around town and on the motorway - just relax and let the 'box sort out which gear is best. Alternatively you can change down using the buttons before an overtake maneuvure, and when slowing down for roundabouts. It is (nearly) the best of both worlds.
10 August 2005, 09:50 PM
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Thanks
I'm more than happy with an 'auto' box like the SMG. Even though not perfect it allows really aggressive gear changes up and down. I really caned a M3 (non CSL) down some back roads and found the SMG suited me, allowed me to be a hooligan without pumping the life out of my left foot.
It sounds like the tip might be more 'slushy' like my car rather than sharp and aggressive like the SMG?
I'm more than happy with an 'auto' box like the SMG. Even though not perfect it allows really aggressive gear changes up and down. I really caned a M3 (non CSL) down some back roads and found the SMG suited me, allowed me to be a hooligan without pumping the life out of my left foot.
It sounds like the tip might be more 'slushy' like my car rather than sharp and aggressive like the SMG?
10 August 2005, 10:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Deep Singh
It sounds like the tip might be more 'slushy' like my car rather than sharp and aggressive like the SMG?
On kick down it nearly pushed me through my seat
I really think it's just down to what you want to the car for, if it's a weekend toy / track car - go manual. If it's a every day car and a European Cruiser go Tiptronic.
I'd image the 4.6 0-60 time of the manual is with them really giving it all in 1st gear. In real world I would not want to put my gearbox through that, so I'd imagine tip will be just as quick. IMO
But this time in 10 days I will off done about 2,000 miles in her, so will be more quailified on the subject
11 August 2005, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Adam M
funnily enough I have, and I have also driven the manual.
auto boxes are not tools that should be present on drivers car. When you fit an auto to a 911 it ceases to eb a drivers car and becomes a fast posers mobile.
A CSL however is a true drivers car.
I know you travel europe a lot, but with that much torque you have the flexibility to lchoose a gear and leave it.
The standard clutch on the manual 996TT is not so harsh that it makes for an uncomfortable drive in traffic, so I just don't see the point of settling for an auto, unless we are talking a 5 figure price difference.
Sorry to sound harsh steve, but in this situation, I hope you change it soon. Autos really are for old men, torque converters waste serious amounts of power, and they even cost you fuel consumption, all because some drivers are too lazy to change gear.
Changing gear is part of real driving, and it is something that driving enthusiasts want to do, not try to avoid.
auto boxes are not tools that should be present on drivers car. When you fit an auto to a 911 it ceases to eb a drivers car and becomes a fast posers mobile.
A CSL however is a true drivers car.
I know you travel europe a lot, but with that much torque you have the flexibility to lchoose a gear and leave it.
The standard clutch on the manual 996TT is not so harsh that it makes for an uncomfortable drive in traffic, so I just don't see the point of settling for an auto, unless we are talking a 5 figure price difference.
Sorry to sound harsh steve, but in this situation, I hope you change it soon. Autos really are for old men, torque converters waste serious amounts of power, and they even cost you fuel consumption, all because some drivers are too lazy to change gear.
Changing gear is part of real driving, and it is something that driving enthusiasts want to do, not try to avoid.
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11 August 2005, 11:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Deep Singh
Not a CSL for a few reasons even though I think its a great car.
Currently considering a CSL or TT or GT3 later this year...
Nevetas, what were your thoughts on the CSL?
12 August 2005, 02:21 PM
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After 3 hours of ownership
Accelaration:- Awesum
Tiptronic S:- It's for me, can understand Adam's point, but for my needs, this is the way to go.
Sound System:- Rocking!
Exhaust Note:- CSL Blows the Turbo Away, but I am still awaiting my sports exhaust.
Looks: Stunning
Brakes: Not as good, but then again I had full AP set up on the CSL.
Do I prefer it over the CSL?
Yes
Off to the ring, see you in 10 days
Fromage / Fozzy: Hope to see you at Lakeside
Accelaration:- Awesum
Tiptronic S:- It's for me, can understand Adam's point, but for my needs, this is the way to go.
Sound System:- Rocking!
Exhaust Note:- CSL Blows the Turbo Away, but I am still awaiting my sports exhaust.
Looks: Stunning
Brakes: Not as good, but then again I had full AP set up on the CSL.
Do I prefer it over the CSL?
Yes
Off to the ring, see you in 10 days
Fromage / Fozzy: Hope to see you at Lakeside
12 August 2005, 02:36 PM
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12 August 2005, 02:49 PM
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Just seen the pics....YOU ARE A GIT!
12 August 2005, 03:12 PM
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Nevetas, what were your thoughts on the CSL?
