Soulgirl

.... and more to the point, how does he fit his shoulders in a bucket seat

Warwick-hunt

one at a time

milo

so you're saying you have kept EVERY lb of gains from a cycle, and have kept EVERY lb of strength gained from a cycle? if so, you're the first person who's ever done this. for a start, when coming off, your natty test levels are suppressed and your body will NOT be able to hold ALL of the gains from a cycle when your test levels were thru the roof. aside from that, it takes months/years for natural levels to 100% recover. proper HPTA recovery does NOT happen overnight. cycling for 10 weeks, and then taking even 10 weeks clean will NOT fully recover your HPTA even with flawless PCT.


that isnt accurate. if you can still gain, then your receptors haven't degraded. people who stay on gear permanently gain all the time. hence their receptors haven't degraded. i have been on for over a year in the past, (i only came off due to family situation) and had constant gains throughout. its lucky you weren't around at the time to let my receptors know they should have been degraded and prevented me from gaining ;p i also know plenty of people who have been on for several years with gains throughout. i have been on again since the beginning of this year, and intend to stay on until im done with powerlifting.

arnold was 235 at what 5'11 in contest condition with 3-5% bodyfat or less. off-season he went up to 260. bear in mind the difference between bodybuilders like arnold (nicely proportioned good upper body, but lets face it no legs) vs. 300lb+ freak guys like dorian yates, ronnie coleman and jay cutler.

i was using 260 as an example. pick any ambitious number. if you want to get big/ripped, you need to stay on... there are no two ways about that. all of the pros stay on year-round (they must have the same weird receptors as me that don't degrade), and pretty much every top amateur, certainly in the US, will stay on permanently too (or take one single 2 month break each year).

i actually weigh a chunk more than 260, but i am a powerlifter, not a bodybuilder, and i am just over 6'3. thats not to say i couldn't cut up and compete successfully at regional level bodybuilding competitions, as many powerlifters do when they're done with wreaking havoc on their joints but my goals are primarily strength.

at the end of the day tho, everyone does what they think is best. hopefully read all the info and decide for themselves. if you're happy with short small cycles, and are willing to take the risks for the (probably comparatively) small gains that you're getting, that's great for you. but for me, if you're willing to use steroids at all, then you're prepared to put your body at huge risk for strength/mass/(whatever goal).... in which case, you should just do it right and get the job done

chump

blimey - just checked back on this thread since i created it last week. What have i started lol!

Anyway got my Instant Whey through. Massive Tub! Bit confused how much to take though. It says 25g with 400ml of water/milk 2-3 times a day. I'm going to take it twice a day to start with. How much is 25g? A table spoon / tea spoon??

Thanks
Chump

TelBoy

A slightly heaped tablespoon.

The Chief

How much did you pay where did you get it from?

chump

see page 1 - a guy recommended it so i ordered......2.2kg for about £30

Tiggs

1. Get some scales and weigh it - do you have a kitchen? if you do you shuld have scales anyway!

2. The package always seems to suggest that you are either in need of pro BB levels of protein or dont know what chicken is. Assuming you get a good protein source with each meal then you will prob find you only need the shake to fill in the gaps (for me thats breakfast if i have oats and no time for cooking eggs) You need to work out you protein needs, work out your protein intake from food and look at the gap - if you need 3 shales a day i would say you are either huge or not eating enough.

chump

I dont get much protein in my diet AFAIK. I drink milk twice a day but i never eat cheese, butter, egss or fish as I dont like them (seriously - before you ask - most people cant believe i dont eat these). So really milk is my only major source. This was one reason why i wanted to take a Supp. - especially now im weight training a lot more (heavier weights - less reps).

super_si

got flattened by 230kg squat tel

DOH

Tiggs

cheese butter and milk are hardly the greatest sources of protein for muscle building!

you need to take a walk round a supermarket not a supplement. have you tried all sorts of fish? there must be something you would like???

super_si

agreed! food knowledge is power!!

Si

TelBoy

Flattened as in injured, or just had to let it fall onto the rack?

super_si

Took it down just couldnt stand up! so pb stands at 220kg*2 off now so expect 240 at xmas

TelBoy

Excellent weight

I'm liking creatine - should have done this years ago!!

super_si

creatine or creatine
my creatine rocks LOL

TelBoy

LOL, no, just creatine. Still works well if you're a newbie to it.

The Chief

Does Creatine make you p**s a lot it does me for some reason!!!

super_si

its all in the mind ! ! Maybe your just eating better
Must admit im taking eph like smarties, gotta check bp soon

s

TelBoy

Nope, no other changes. Maybe training harder i suppose! Chiefy, haven't noticed that one to be honest. Poos are a bit "unpredictable" though! That's too much information isn't it?

super_si

IF i remember proper dark n sting lmao
your getting old, you dont train harder at your age

Si

CC

yes i have, good advice it was too

good lifts super si, are you now the strongest on scoobynet?

personally i use whey protein, lean meats to try and eat around 200g of protein per day.

re receptor down-regulation, i've read fully referenced academic papers stating that receptors are uprated in response to exogenous anabolic steroid use.

super_si

nar without a doubt Milo! ! probs double my total but hes 20kg+ heavier hehehe ive got 10years on him hehehe. Maybe tel too ??

Si

StickyMicky

lol @ the poo problems

fundimental

LOL
can't see how you can say he had no legs

TelBoy

Nah, not me, not any more. Lightning101 is your man, by some distance i would imagine.