WRXPete

Cos it's not a VDR offence, it's a licence offence....there is nothing wrong with the bike that needs rectifying, he is infringing licence regulations, not construction and use regs....and since this is dropping into the usual Snet silliness, it's 14 days for a VDR

mart360

LOL



Mart

ps it only needs 1% to bolox it up for the rest of you.. :raz:


M

Gutmann pug

The story behind it was that a marked car pulled out from a roundabout heading in my direction. I saw him and made sure I stuck to 30MPH. There was a car between the policeman and me and both cars caught me, meaning they were both speeding.
The policeman waited till the other car pulled off before catching me and putting his disco's on. ''Do you know why I stopped you sir?'' I told him I could guess, ''I dont like your number plate sir'' .....Now fair enough my plate is illegal. One letter is moved slightly over. It is however highly legable and using the correct font. I made some such comment and the policeman had a bit of a pop at me. I comment on how I was a danger to society (with my plate) yet the guy between me and him who was speeding was a law abider for sure.
While he was off doing my ticket a mate turned up, we were parked in the golf course, my mate shouted something to me and I replied, ''jobsworth'' at which time the policeman got the **** and started threatening me with court. I asked for what and he said my plate. I said can you take me to court over my plate and he said yes if you refuse the ticket, I said im not, he said yeah but I can make it awkward and take you anyway .....
Obviously I was reffering to him as the jobsworth but he couldnt prove it and it narked him....
Still I got the ticket, £30 fine, but he didnt give me a producer or a vehicle defect (get it fixed) form So they can have the £30 but I aint changing the plate.

Best stay out of town and away from Fiesta police cars for a while


Gary

Oh and I have a couple of mates who are coppers too. On the whole they are fine but you get a couple of weapons amongst then.

scooby_matt

One rule for them, another one for the rest of us.

WRXPete

Sadly you can't odds a bad copper getting the **** over a comment, as usual one lets the rest down and gives us all a bad name, in the same way i assume all footballers are total idiots because of what the likes of Bowyer and Savage get up to!!!

By the way, did he measure or photograph your number plate....can't say i've ever ticketted for this if it's only a little bit out (there's that discretion) but you should be aware that if you get caught twice with a misrepresented plate, the DVLA can withdraw it and issue a Q plate!!!

Stainy

Hmmmmm FCC or EADC

p1doc

my brother had parked his car with his girlfriend in when a police car ran up the back of him,police alleged he had pulled out despite car being rammed up back and onto the kerb,he accused my brother of dangerous driving and tried to arrest him.my brother declined the invitation and got his girlfriend to ring police,he gets taken to station where my dad and i have to go down to sort it out,6 weeks later he gets sack brother took 6 months to get ins money -he only got it as he threatened to go to papers,mind you the excopper got into a fight a while later and ended up with 2 broken legs -what a shame there are some good coppers i do not know any personally but most are just grown up school bullies and thick as f*ck
martin

pete1977

"All coppers are bent and those who tell you otherwise are either new or liars" this is what a good friend of mine told me after being a copper for 15 years.Ive got nothing against coppers,i dont care if there bent ,just along as they dont try and give me that demeaning copper talk down to everyone speech.
I once had a copper push infront of me and a friend in line for getting into a nightclub(he was in civvies and not on duty),"oi,what the **** are you doing"said my mate."shut up,you dont know who your talking to" said the copper.So we laughed at him because he was the scrawniest creature you,ve ever seen.This seemed to upset our little friend so he hit back with "i,m Met".We were genuinely confused then my mate said "we dont give a **** if you read weather on the telly **** off to the back or i,ll bite your ****ing nose off" then most of the queue turned on the guy after he threatened to arrest my mate shouting "**** off weatherman",eventually some mad chick slapped the bloke out the queue.One of the funniest things i ever saw.Whenever i have a run in with the coppers i think of this and it makes it impossible to hate them.Your not the only people with hard jobs!

scooby_matt

Well said - it's a fair point. Of course, no copper will admit they sit on their backsides all day avoiding trouble

mart360

No not all coppers are bent, but they do fall into 3 categorys


rating 1-10 of getting a fine / done (1 the best 10 the worst)

cat 1) newby.. reads all the law books, policys applications etc, and follows them to the letter.... rating 9

cat 2) mid termer as above, but uses common sense, discretion and thought when applying policy etc rating 3

cat 3) old timer, knows the system has changed, but spouts the policy rhetoric knowing that its flawed. rating 7





LOL

Mart

scooby_matt

Got to admit, the older ones i've encountered are the better ones...tend to use their common sense. It's the young ones you've got to watch out for, keen as mustard, trying to make a name for themselves

jods

Drag Queen ?

Sorry - you were talking about your JOB - Not your Hobby!!!

MaDaSS

I gotta say i aint had the pleasure yet whist driving my Scoob, nor did i before tbh.
But you take ppl how you find them i say. To start lipping them off or using sarcasm, which i must say comes natural to me, would wind anyone up, and not just an officer. But i would not be happy to be accused of something that was not true nor provable either. As far as i am concerned, those in car cameras are the best thing to have for both parties involved as they cannot lie, period.
I would love an ounce of thier driving skills too. I keep thinking about IAM and RoSPA, its about time i did someat about it! LOL.

steffiraf

EADC Should i know you?

LG John

Sorry to the policemen on here but you have little defence these days IMHO. Most coppers I know are pr!cks and recent TV documentaries have also highlighted this. My mate recently joined the force and has now done a good 2-3 years - his attitudes have totally changed in this time and now he just likes to pick on people for the smallest and most pointless of things. The stuff he tells me they get up to is also frankly scary.

Just tonight I was driving at 58mph in a 50mph zone. I noticed a meat wagon closing fast but decided against braking as it would make it obvious I was speeding. They passed me doing at least 80mph (more like 90!) without their lights or horns on. We approached a roundabout where I assumed they would flick them on to pass the traffic stopped at the lights as they must be responding to an emergency? No. They waited in traffic like the rest of us before speeding off again where they got stopped again and patiently waited again. Clearly there was no emergency, clearly they just wanted to 80-90 in a 50 (which many years ago was a 70 zone and is very frustraiting to the rest of us). You can bet your *** that if I'd passed them doing that speed I'd have been pulled and given points and a fine. I have also been pulled over for my number plate and countless other times for various bullsh!t reasons just to run a check on me, etc. It should also be noted that the police were utterly useless when my g/f got broken into twice - that would mean solving a real crime

I still respect the people that take on a job with such a stigma and I don't doubt most of them go into the job with the best of intentions but it seems to me that just like most other government type jobs (I work for a L.A.) there is a culture that sucks you in and you become a *** like the rest of them pushing to get the best benchmark scores and sadly that means getting a laser gun out as opposed to dusting for prints where someone's 40" plasma used to be.

LG John

....and if I seem particularly cutting and grumpy tonight its because I can't sleep

Chins

Surely people working for insurance companies, call centres and driving white vans are even bigger jobsworths than the police, who in my experience have been great.

I'm a sales rep so no connection to the cops, but have to endure the above on a more regular basis

Jonathan

_Meridian_

iTrader: (1)

1) Did you ever consider that the car might not want to draw attention to itself? It might be liveried-up, but that doesn't mean someone being followed will spot it. It might also be heading for an "active" scene nearby and not want to be seen or heard.

2) Are your numberplates illegal? If so, then the police have every right to pull you. If not, then that's another matter.

3) There nothing much that the police can do at a burglary scene anyway, except maybe chat nicely to the victim. Any work that can be done will be done by the SOCO. Therefore time spent at burglary scene is essentially time wasted, except in terms of public releations. And the police don't have enough time for that, because at SNers are the first to point ou, there's a lot of crime about.

I wonder if it would change people's opinion of the police if all speeding enforcement was given over to a different organisation. After all, that's why parking enforcement was taken away from the police.

One final thing: whenever someone here whinges about the police here, then we only ever get one side of the story. We don't here what the policeman concerned saw, which may well be completely different.


M

wacky.banana

I don't normally come onto threads like this but hey, its a Sunday morning and I'm reading SNET as opposed to the Guardian

The fundamental issue between the public and the police isn't to do with whether officers staying at the scene of a burglary is time well spent or not. Its to do with the serious lack of confidence and that the public have in the police doing the job the public expect the police to perform. That translates into roughly acting on and cutting crime, and making the public feel safe where it otherwise feels threatened.

There is a serious public relations disaster out there and every time I read a thread like this I am left with the distinct impression that the only group that doesn't recognise this is the police! Every time this issue is raised the police simply get defensive, and offer nothing in the way of leadership in finding a way forward out of this increasingly worrying situation.

I see little effort on the police's part to redress this view other than pious words from their senior management about "communities having to solve terrorist problems from within".

The bottom line is that as a member of the public I am going to feel less connected to the police and offer them information that may lead to the solving of the crime if my experience of interaction with them is that they either don't act on that information (eg "we don't come out to car break ins, sir") or they act disproportionately on an issue where their discretion (and police ARE allowed discretion) would have engaged the public in a more positive way.

Until the police wake up and see that there is a serious problem between themselves and the public that they both serve and depend on to do their job, then the situation can only get worse. We have got to get this sorted quickly before the public starts to find alternative ways of dealing with issues that the police should be involved in, because, from the publics perspective, the police can't be bothered, and will only deal with the easy options,. That route will lead to anarchy.


WB

jods

ALL coppers are barstewards - Except two uncles, two cousins and three neighbours

pete1977

WOAH!Well said,real deep for a sunday morning!

WRXPete

Thanks Meridian for your comment, saved me writing much of it.....

Some points to consider....

Burglary is a ministerial priority, so even though there is little to do but get a statement and call SOC we attend and (in Hampshires case) typically take over an hour and a half on initial enquiries, house to house etc...this is 90minutes out of a 9 hour day when no one can see me, i cannot be resumed to another job and i can't do the mountain of work i already have.

Discretion is being replaced by policy. I will get in trouble if i stop a car with more than 1 light out or other defect and don't give it a VDR at the very least. I will get in trouble if i decide to give a 12 year old first time offender a ticking off for nicking a 2p sweet when the shop owner doesn't want him arrested, because it's a santioned detection gone begging....and i will get in a whole world of trouble if i attend a domestic, someone says the magic "assault" word and i don't walk away with an arrest, regardless of the circumstance. Policing is less about commonsense these days and more about figures.

Finally, watch your attitude. I'm 26, i've got a few years in, i've travelled a bit and seen true depreivation, i've seen people mashed up, dead bodies, dealt with louts, dealt with lovely poor old dears and hated that i couldn't help them and i've removed children from their parents because of the disgraceful way they live....and through it all i remain pretty laid back, because there is no need to put on an attitude (and yes i agree at this point, many coppers have a problem here and i hate working with them)....

...so when you turn the attitude on, i'll not be rude, but i will be pointing out that i'm being civil and i expect you to be too, you're being spoken to for a good reason and i will explain it calmly to you....and despite public opinion being shouted, sworn and spit at should not have less of an effect on me because of my job, i shouldn't have to take it.

I stopped a chap the other day....my car had an additional digital speedo that while accurate is not properly calibrated, so giving a ticket was never an option...but the chap averaged 89mph down the motorway for 6 miles.
I pull him, explain i won't be giving a ticket as explained above and point out he speed and he says to me "I very much doubt i was going that fast"....Why the attitude...i've already told the bloke i won't be giving him a ticket, i've been upfront to explain why and i've been totally polite, so why risk winding me up because yes, in the face of that i might just get bloody minded and pour all over the car....but i didn't, i simply started again, emphasised the "you WERE going 89mph", finished the checks i'm obliged to do, he apologised for his comment, we shook hands had a laugh about some piece of chav car that drove past (he commented i should go and stop that instead, but it was done in appropriate jest, and he'll be chuffed to learn i'm sure that i got it stopped 2mins later and he had no insurance!) and in all i only inconvenienced him for a few minutes. I know it's a pain to get stopped folks, but i for one don't do it for kicks, i'm getting paid to do it for a good reason, and i believe in WORKING for a living.

And if you get ****ty treatment from police, i would always encourage you make a complaint...any good copper would!!!

Essay over, sorry

Stainy

No, I just recognised the description ;-)

p1doc

one of my friends made a complaint,he ended up being arrested for drunk and disorderly five times and let off next morning with the last time duty sargeant asking him if he would like to withdraw complaint,he did and never got hassle since
martin

MaDaSS

I have to agree with a lot of that, and that is from a civilian point of view. I am not affiliated to the police, but i do agree totally that treating someone in a proper manner, means you to should be treated in that manner. ie both politely and non-aggressvively. You are still trying to do a job whether we like it or not, so being swore at or spat at is not an option.
I certainly would not react to that nicely at all.

CLSII

All police activity is driven from the Home Office.....the Government.

When the police address issues like speeding and whenever you hear that figures need to be met it isn't the police who set tagets it is the government.

If children are given fixed penalty tickets for disorder...it's the Goverment

When people are stopped for 10 minutes because a police officer spoke to them in passing and they then have to fill in a form it's the government

For Gods sake the police do the governments work and I know enough off them to know that most of them don't like what has happened recently.

This is a Labour Government...they like to intefere in everything and always have..

dazzaTypeR

I have a great respect for the law but some are nightmares. I was stopped one evening by a said jobsworth aho I passed in the opposite direction one night threw a little town near by, I probably wasn't doing the said 30 but was nearer 40, this was 3.30am in the morning. He decided I was of far more danger to the public by breaking the 30 then he was by spinning round by what looked like he used a handbrake method in my rearview and must have topped 80-90 to have caught me with in the time he did, through the very same street. He then proceeded by not just getting up behind me and switchin on the ol light show, no he decided it'd be far more fun to pass me and then execute a perfect emergency stop. Of course he couldn't just walk up and ask me a few questions, he practically ran to me and demand I got out of the car. I asked him why and he just said dont ask questions do as your f***ing told. Being dissabled I had been told previously that I do not have to leave my vehicle as long as I informed them why. Corse I did'nt get the chance, soon as I said "I'd rather not because... he ripped open me door and grabbed my keys. So I thought your a bit of an ****, and there was no way he could slap a ticket on me for speeding as he was travelling in the opposite direction and it was 3.30am for god sake. I decided to shown him the same kind of attitude... So i gets out of the car, and having one leg it's not the smoothest of ballet moves to climb out of bucket seat. No sooner had I stummbled out he decided I must be drunk, oh how I laughed inside, I'd just left sodding work. So out comes the questions about where I've been how much I'd drunk etc, and sticks the breathalyser in me throat and requests a breathe of air which I did happily give with a smile. Away goes the green light and he really was'nt happy... but his brains working overtime and theyre must be some other mind altering reason for my speeding. And wants to search me... Then comes the obligitory drug questions, which ones, when, how much blah blah. This goes on for god knows how long but I was really laughing inside and my breaking smile was begining to wind him up. Eventually after not beleiving a word I said he decide's to ask why I was so unstable on me feet if I'd had no drink or drugs. I simply replied I'm sorry I'm dissabled... and this was a classic moment he goes, yeah and I'm sherlock holmes, course my smile broke into a "remember when you were at school and just kept giggling with your mates and the teacher's balling at you to stop laughing and it just gets worse." I was well and truely laughing at him thinking about his dearstalker under his hard hat. I then proceed to show him my badges and he swore blind they were fakes... by this point he just wanted to nick me no matter what, and I could tell. As soon as he said this I thought sod ya and decided to show him my carbon fibre prosthesis. So I says I'll show you then and bent down to roll up me trousers, he must have thought I had an sawn off cos he practically pushed me on the back of the head and made me drop to my knees, course I fell forwards and pushed him slightly... I'm now rolling on the floor pulling me trousers up to show him evidence of the reason, and he's screaming I'm gonna get nicked for assault... but then oh dear he realises his mistake and notices the master craftsmanship... All of a sudden it all clicks into place he helps me up sticks my keys in my hand and tells me to be on my way as he climbed into his car and is gone is seconds... I'm still giggling and then realise he's gone, I had no way of tracing him as he had'nt given me his number and I did'nt see his reg. I called local cop shop and explained what had happend and was told to write in. But bugger me 7 weeks later nothing. And they say they had no officers in the area at the time and wont proceed any further as I have no evidence or witnesses...

I always try and be as helpfull as possible when stopped but will never have a straight face again when pulled. One for the after dinner conversations in the future and again another copper with a real attitude problem. I know you guys do an awefull job but you really dont help yourselves sometimes.

dexter

IMHO this is the best, and most informative post on this thread, as it SHOULD explain to people why the public have the perception of the Police that they do.

I`m not talking here about particular instances, as it sounds as though some of you have a basis for a genuine complaint, but it really does explain the overall picture as to why things are as bad as they are between Police and the public.

The vast majority of these problems are solely down to the Government, who have left us with a severely watered-down version of what, many years ago, was the finest Police-Force in the world.

If you were in the job, then you would be able to see this for yourselves, and nobody is more disgruntled and demoralised with the current situation than those of us that are.

Of course, the root of the problem these days is that there is simply no deterrent any more. So people are now just doing exactly what they want...................because they can, and they no longer fear the consequences.

MaDaSS

That is the most utter piece of bollox you could have written ffs.
Did Albert Pierpoint go out of business then? No, did he ****, He quit.
Read into that what you like, but he sure didnt quit due to lack of ppl to hang.
Nothing is a ****ing deterrant. Look at USA ffs.
What utter ****e.

MaDaSS

Another cause of this is that i really believe that the police have no backup from the courts. They do their job, get a case to court, to have some ******** judge screw em and let the **** they arrest go with a slapped wrist. Or give them some stupidly low fine or sentence that really does not tally with the crime.
I mean, who in their right minds gives the rights to a damn burglar?
Only the UK courts could do that ffs. I could get broken into, end up fighting a burglar, and then i would get sued, and the UK courts would help the burglar ffs.
When they shouldnt even be entertained as they were in my house.
(hyperthetical btw, not happened to me)