davyboy

I would think it's still to early to tell, but, with gays bringing up children, would this increase the chances of "their" children being gay? That sounds norrow minded, but I do wonder.

It may make the parents feel complete with a child, but I don't think the child will feel complete later in life......

Dracoro

Most of the 'arguments' against this would apply to single parents too.

As for 'where will this take us' argument, well that's pretty weak as the numbers involved is always gonna be small anyway so hardly gonna 'take us' anywhere Society is hardly gonna be overridden with gay couples having kids.

The 'nature' and 'natural' arguments always make me laugh We're not in redneck america you know

Dracoro

Depends on if you think homosexuality is a 'choice' (see my above threads). If a gay black couple had a white child, would the childs skin turn black because of their upbringing? Course it wouldn't. Maybe if the kid is gay he'd be more likely to come out in that environmen but not more likely to be gay.

TelBoy

Yes, that seems to be borne out by evidence. The kid will be more open-minded, but won't be more inclined to be gay. The crime of crimes, of course, would be if the gay parents tried to enforce homosexuality on their "offspring", but i've never read of that having been a problem within the arena we're discussing.

Reality

Doesn't Tiggs go on about earning £100k a year as a "financial advisor"



Gays should not be allowed kids - full stop.

Infact - you should not be allowed to Buy babies in any shape or form.

NHS should only give IVF to hetrosexual couples in a stable relationship to people who can prove they have never been members of an online community !

mightyyid

It's wrong - and above all its selfish. Just because I/we want to be different, but also have children (ie the bets of both worlds in THEIR eyes) I buck nature and life as we know it due to science and technology, have a child who then grows up in who knows how and what way, and has to explain to all his/her friends at school why we has two dads and two mums. Selfish people, that's what they are. Sorry, but why should science change the way nature is. If we didn't have this level of science, it wouldn't happen... I'm appalled.

The Zohan

This is happening already - its called Norfolk!

TelBoy

I know we've been here a billion times before, but *i'm* "appalled" at the disgraceful scum produced from many "natural" relationships.

I'd rather see decent kids from gay relationships ANY day.

Turbohot

I dont know man! Not my fault!
They decided,no law stopped them.They got what they wanted.
I still dont know if its that cruel on the child.There are many children who were born with "traditional methods".They are pretty screwed up and are fighting with their inner demons due to either violence or neglect at home or alcoholism of their parents.My mates kids are enjoying pretty good quality of life TBH.
I do understand what you are saying and I am sure the child bearer mum would have job to convince the child-depending upon how child takes it.

Turbohot

Absolutely SPARKLING response!

dpb

yep sooner or later us blokes could become superfluous...........unless there is some legislation / + descrimination.

davegtt

I have an aunt that lives on the "other" side as it were, I think shes great, superb person but I remember about 10 years ago now she was in a long term relationship with another woman, this other woman had a son the same age as me.... To say he was strange was not bad judgement of him. we were about 15 at the time and this poor lad as nice as he was were twisted and confused, he dispised most kids for having a "normal" family....

IMO this was enough for me to decide its wrong, if you go against nature and decide to go with your own choices its perfectly fine. each to their own and all that but once you do that you give up your right to Natures greatest gift IMO....

call me small minded if you like, I dont care. I have an opinion, this board is for expressing that

BlackadderII

Very good point, it just seems that all sense of morality and social order have taken another step "sideways" maybe. We cant cope or deal with "natural" relationships (chav mum of seven kids by 4 fathers on Trisha). I just wonder if all this going to add to something which is falling apart anyway

darts_aint_sport

It's selfishness. Pure and simple. And to have it come out of my taxes is disgusting. It's imposing an unnatural (yes it's unnatural for two people of the same sex to have kids) personal choice on another human.

TelBoy

Grrr!!! I don't think you can legitimately call it selfish UNLESS you can categorically state that EVERY gay person has chosen to be gay. And you simply cannot.


Carry on...

Reality

What are you on ?

It's Selfish because the gays are more worried about their feelings than the feelings of the poor soul that's going to have to explain their two mums / two dads to their "normal" mates.

It's **** all to do with views on wether or not being Gay is a "Life Choice" or "The way you are".

TelBoy

Sorry, but i don't buy the Johnny being bullied in the playground argument as a legitimate reason for gay couples not to have kids. Never have, never will. Bullying goes on for all SORTS of reasons - you're also just hypothesising that Johnny will be victimised more because of his family arrangements. Prove there's any substance to this and i'll start listening.

lightning101

Life aint no fun for a prawn jousters son :nods:

Reality

Read Davegtt's post above.

Who said bullying / victimised - I said Explaining his two Mums/Dads to his normal mates. Maybe I should have said that the Child may not be comfortable with this (as was the case in the post above).

davegtt

No that fine, I can see that side but its true that the child has an increased chance of growing up confused, Imgaine the "birds and the bees" chat with the family... its wrong and UNNATURAL.... having a child is the greatest gift of nature anybody can possibly recieve, there is only 1 natural way of concieving a child and if you dont swing that way then tough.....

TelBoy

Dave, you are making a LOT of assumptions based on ONE example. I'm saying it ain't as easy as that. Kids are adaptable, and given the right circumstances, will flourish whatever the parents' sexuality or gender. A male and female might be the "right" combination, but by Christ there's an awful lot of examples around where this simply hasn't worked AT ALL. Be receptive to these things, that's all i'm saying.

NotoriousREV

I also know plenty of kids that grew up confused and they came from "normal" families. I dare say that many kids with gay parents are far more balanced than many SNers

Reality

Babies aren't some social ******* experiment !

They're a human life.

The chance of ******* one of them up with a set of weirdo gay parents isn't worth taking.

imo.

Dracoro

I agree the bullying argument is crap. It's akin to saying to a couple that are both ginger that they shouldn't have kids because the kid will most likely be ginger and have the pi$$ taken out of him. Also like saying handicapped (mentally or physically) couples shouldn't have kids etc. It also goes against having kids adopted as they'll have the pi$$ taken out of them as their parents aren't their 'real' ones. And so on and on.

As for the 'selfish' argument. Well, that applies to ALL to be parents, most parents have kids because THEY WANT them.

I mean, disagree with gay people having kids by all means, but at least put together some sort of intellectual argument please

dpb

May be ones perspective would alter IF one had children Tel....???

TelBoy

No, true, the kid might not be comfortable. But then kids from "regular" families disown their parents, it's not uncommon. Again, i see this as hypothesising that a kid from a same sex parent family WILL have to explain anything, or be more inclined to be uncomfortable. It's all just conjecture.

TelBoy

Meaning what, dpb?

NotoriousREV

I have kids and 100% agree with TelBoy. I'm even wearing latex.

davegtt

Ohh I agree but the fact that many examples of a male and female parenthood not working, mainly this is down to the parents. But its easier for a child to grow up and take in. OK its 1 example that Im providing, I cant provide anymore but I personally dont need to knowing the experiences of this lad growing up.... As I say it wasnt down to mickey taking in the play ground, I know this did get to him but he could take that.... it was his home life that suffered not his school life, as you say all kids get bullied at school for whatever reason. At home was where he acted out of place, The guy was confused and was violent and abusive to others that he saw had a "normal" family. Im not saying 2 people in a secure relationship are not capable of bringing up a child. Im sure they could do a better job of it than many of our social scum. BUT I believe it causes a high chance of causing unessisary pain/confusion/hatred from an innocent child. And as I said, its not the way of doing things IMO

And as I said before, its only my opinion. it counts for nothing in this life, your allowed your opinion and I dont bear any grudges from that opinion. Niether mine nor yours will change anything the government decide to do.

TelBoy

So would you agree to neutering all male/female combos that would seem to you and i as not being suitable for rearing children? And if not, why not?