lesbians and IVF....
17 August 2005, 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
It was a great gift to be able to have them but its like the lottery....would you like to win? Yes- it would be superb......do you deserve to? no.
17 August 2005, 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
No; that gay couples' infertility condition is the same as heterosexual couples', and deserves the same right to be remedied.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Gay peoples normal state is UNABLE to have kids
non gays normal state is ABLE to have kids
last thing we want to do is make gays feel abnormal
17 August 2005, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
yes.
On what basis though? Isn't the premise that they might be bloody good parents not sufficient? How far down the Brave New World route do we have to go?? Or are you merely saying yes to avoid any contradiction in your mind?
17 August 2005, 11:22 AM
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Telboy,
Hetrosexual couples have infertility problems.
Gay couples dont have the ability to concieve a child.
dispite the similar outcome (no child) there is a massive difference.
Hetrosexual couples have infertility problems.
Gay couples dont have the ability to concieve a child.
dispite the similar outcome (no child) there is a massive difference.
17 August 2005, 11:25 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Telboy,
Hetrosexual couples have infertility problems.
Gay couples dont have the ability to concieve a child.
dispite the similar outcome (no child) there is a massive difference.
Hetrosexual couples have infertility problems.
Gay couples dont have the ability to concieve a child.
dispite the similar outcome (no child) there is a massive difference.
Only in your mind, because you're prejudiced against same sex parents, even though you aren't exactly sure why. I understand what you're saying. I don't agree with it, but i do comprehend your view.
17 August 2005, 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
On what basis though? Isn't the premise that they might be bloody good parents not sufficient?
How far down the Brave New World route do we have to go?? Or are you merely saying yes to avoid any contradiction in your mind?
17 August 2005, 11:27 AM
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How can you not agree with it, Ive not provided an arguement, Ive provided a fact.....
Sounds like your just trying to convince yourself your right. Im not saying Im right, Im saying what I believe is right, what you believe is right for all I care but the point is we aint gonna make a difference we're just discussing it and trying to understand everyone elses point of view
Sounds like your just trying to convince yourself your right. Im not saying Im right, Im saying what I believe is right, what you believe is right for all I care but the point is we aint gonna make a difference we're just discussing it and trying to understand everyone elses point of view
17 August 2005, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
No; that gay couples' infertility condition is the same as heterosexual couples', and deserves the same right to be remedied.
WHERE'S THE FOETUS GOING TO GESTATE, STAN? ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP IT IN A BOX?
17 August 2005, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
How can you not agree with it, Ive not provided an arguement, Ive provided a fact.....
Sounds like your just trying to convince yourself your right. Im not saying Im right, Im saying what I believe is right, what you believe is right for all I care but the point is we aint gonna make a difference we're just discussing it and trying to understand everyone elses point of view
Sounds like your just trying to convince yourself your right. Im not saying Im right, Im saying what I believe is right, what you believe is right for all I care but the point is we aint gonna make a difference we're just discussing it and trying to understand everyone elses point of view
I meant your assertion that it's a "massive difference". I don't see it as one, that's all.
17 August 2005, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bubba po
You surely can't believe that. Infertile couples generally have a fault in a basically sound and compatible set of reproductive equipment. Two fannies or two ***** are never going to make a baby under any conditions.
WHERE'S THE FOETUS GOING TO GESTATE, STAN? ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP IT IN A BOX?
WHERE'S THE FOETUS GOING TO GESTATE, STAN? ARE YOU GOING TO KEEP IT IN A BOX?
Physiologically, BP, of course. In all other respects, i see few, if any, differences.
17 August 2005, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
I meant your assertion that it's a "massive difference". I don't see it as one, that's all.
TelBoy - Are you from MARS or VENUS ?
17 August 2005, 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Not at all sufficient.Nature has dictated that these people cannot have children. Gay or straight, it makes no difference. Let nature be the judge. Not some career clinician or social worker.
so tricky though...nature selected me for short sightedness and asthma......should i run around whezzing and bumping into things?
(point in defence of straight couples and asthmatics
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17 August 2005, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Physiologically, BP, of course. In all other respects, i see few, if any, differences.
Don't see how you can just sweep it under the carpet because it doesn't fit in with your logic.
17 August 2005, 11:42 AM
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Exactly, Tiggs; where do we stop treating people who aren't "perfect".
This whole argument is based on homosexual prejudice, subconsciously or not. Otherwise you'd have to scrutinise every other similar gay/non-gay example. Hey ho.
This whole argument is based on homosexual prejudice, subconsciously or not. Otherwise you'd have to scrutinise every other similar gay/non-gay example. Hey ho.
17 August 2005, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
err... isn't that kind of a fundemental, if not the fundemental difference.
Don't see how you can just sweep it under the carpet because it doesn't fit in with your logic.
Don't see how you can just sweep it under the carpet because it doesn't fit in with your logic.
No, that's JUST my point. Good parents aren't ONLY those who are physiologically capable of having kids. Do you see what i'm saying?
17 August 2005, 11:45 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Exactly, Tiggs; where do we stop treating people who aren't "perfect".
17 August 2005, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
No, that's JUST my point. Good parents aren't ONLY those who are physiologically capable of having kids. Do you see what i'm saying?
17 August 2005, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Exactly, Tiggs; where do we stop treating people who aren't "perfect".
This whole argument is based on homosexual prejudice, subconsciously or not. Otherwise you'd have to scrutinise every other similar gay/non-gay example. Hey ho.
This whole argument is based on homosexual prejudice, subconsciously or not. Otherwise you'd have to scrutinise every other similar gay/non-gay example. Hey ho.
I'm diabetic, so by the same token, if I was a lesbian I shouldn't be treated.
Any treatment (whether it be for infertility or not) should be made available to all or none - there shouldn't be discrimination of any sort.
17 August 2005, 11:47 AM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
Yes, but how could we possibly ever know that? They can't have children so it doesn't matter.
LOL, by giving them the opportunity to be parents!!!
17 August 2005, 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Exactly, Tiggs; where do we stop treating people who aren't "perfect".
This whole argument is based on homosexual prejudice, subconsciously or not. Otherwise you'd have to scrutinise every other similar gay/non-gay example. Hey ho.
This whole argument is based on homosexual prejudice, subconsciously or not. Otherwise you'd have to scrutinise every other similar gay/non-gay example. Hey ho.
This is about poofs wanting their cake and eating it too
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17 August 2005, 11:51 AM
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I don't see the problem. Loads of unsuitable parents have kids every day. As for getting bullied in the playground then by that token anybody who is ginger should not be allowed to have kids!