lesbians and IVF....
17 August 2005, 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
Same sex couples should not be aloud to bring up children. Whether they are female, male or otherwise.
They may be great parents, however the concept is incorrect as homosexuality is not a natural mentality. Children should not be forced into a situation of being bought up by a same sex couple - simple as!!
Using children to try and bolster your cause of "we're normal" is about as selfish as it gets and any respecting homosexual wouldn't attempt to have babies - it's cruel as they WILL have massive negative effects from this.
Just another example of how more and more f$cked up society is becoming.
They may be great parents, however the concept is incorrect as homosexuality is not a natural mentality. Children should not be forced into a situation of being bought up by a same sex couple - simple as!!
Using children to try and bolster your cause of "we're normal" is about as selfish as it gets and any respecting homosexual wouldn't attempt to have babies - it's cruel as they WILL have massive negative effects from this.
Just another example of how more and more f$cked up society is becoming.
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Originally Posted by Huxley Chick
Discrimination is discrimination, which ever way you look at it.
If IVF is available, it should be available to everyone
If IVF is available, it should be available to everyone
Especially girls talking out of their ***** !
17 August 2005, 12:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Huxley Chick
Discrimination is discrimination, which ever way you look at it.
If IVF is available, it should be available to everyone
If IVF is available, it should be available to everyone
17 August 2005, 12:16 PM
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The Big Man - all aspects of your post have been addressed in this thread, point by point. But it all boils down to what i just said in my previous post i think.
17 August 2005, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
i cant see why people are struggling with natural and normal?????
gay is natural - they occour in nature
gay is not normal....not sure how anyone can argue it is anymore than say albino is normal?
as for asthma/diabetes: they are illnesses not "just the way i am". As an example, i have asthma and im 6ft6. I belive my asthma is an illness taht should be treated on the NHS - if someone said £50k and it will go i would pay in a second - i wish i didnt have it. Is being tall the same? no of course not - even though 6ft6 is not normal its just the way i am- i wouldnt expect NHS treatment to be shorter so i fit in cars!
Now do gay people wish they were straight? would they pay 50k to be "ungayed"?
its very different....gay is natural, abnormal and "just the way they are".......exactlly the same as me being 6ft6
gay is natural - they occour in nature
gay is not normal....not sure how anyone can argue it is anymore than say albino is normal?
as for asthma/diabetes: they are illnesses not "just the way i am". As an example, i have asthma and im 6ft6. I belive my asthma is an illness taht should be treated on the NHS - if someone said £50k and it will go i would pay in a second - i wish i didnt have it. Is being tall the same? no of course not - even though 6ft6 is not normal its just the way i am- i wouldnt expect NHS treatment to be shorter so i fit in cars!
Now do gay people wish they were straight? would they pay 50k to be "ungayed"?
its very different....gay is natural, abnormal and "just the way they are".......exactlly the same as me being 6ft6
If we were all gay then we'd cease as a race within 80 or so years. It's our natural make-up.
Homosexuality is aparent, always has been, in a way it is a fashionable thing to be, has interesting culture etc - however some things should simply not be permitted, that of forcing this onto a new baby. It's selfishness opitimized FFS!!
17 August 2005, 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Tiggs
i cant see why people are struggling with natural and normal?????
gay is natural - they occour in nature
gay is not normal
gay is natural - they occour in nature
gay is not normal
Some people are just thick Tiggs.
I'm sure you've realised that by now
17 August 2005, 12:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
The Big Man - all aspects of your post have been addressed in this thread, point by point. But it all boils down to what i just said in my previous post i think.
Reality check - we don't live in an ideal world.
End of.
17 August 2005, 12:20 PM
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Tel, not nessisarily down to generations. I like to think Im still young (25) and in a very understanding and accepting society. I accept everything that is I just dont believe in gay couples having a child of their own.... and if they do I think it should be through fostering. Being gay does not give you a right to bear a child. although if you want to raise 1 why not try 1 of the many unloved ones that are in a home?
I think its a very fair middle ground, if there is 1.
I think its a very fair middle ground, if there is 1.
17 August 2005, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
That non-idealism being prejudice. You're right. Sad situation. 
Personally I do think it is wrong.
17 August 2005, 12:24 PM
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Originally Posted by unclebuck
What's the gay equivalent of the 'race card'? I thought it would get played sooner or later?
17 August 2005, 12:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
Who said girls were allowed to speak anyway ?
Especially girls talking out of their ***** !
Especially girls talking out of their ***** !
17 August 2005, 12:28 PM
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People are how they are, I've no problems with that as it's their right. However, forcing that "right" onto somebody else (a baby) is intrinsing on THEIR rights.
In life one must accept that based on how they are affects the things they can/can not do or have.
In life one must accept that based on how they are affects the things they can/can not do or have.
17 August 2005, 12:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Huxley Chick
Do you mean the ones keeping me alive?
The one's preventing you from seeing that Woman + Woman <> Babies and Man + Man = Sore **** (and <> Babies)
17 August 2005, 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
No - you'd best keep taking those ones.
The one's preventing you from seeing that Woman + Woman <> Babies and Man + Man = Sore **** (and <> Babies)
The one's preventing you from seeing that Woman + Woman <> Babies and Man + Man = Sore **** (and <> Babies)
17 August 2005, 12:38 PM
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
It's already possible to fertilise one egg from a woman with another egg from another woman.
Got any links - I'm curious.
17 August 2005, 12:38 PM
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I understand perfectly that a woman can not conceive a baby with another woman in the same way that she could conceive a baby with a man. I just think if her maternal instincts make her desperate for a baby (& believe me, to go through all the prodding, poking, injections etc, you'd need to be desperate) she should be given the chance of IVF.
17 August 2005, 12:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
You learn something new everyday.
Got any links - I'm curious.
Got any links - I'm curious.
I was going from memory but that is the principle.
the fact is in the coming years (genetics) what people consider 'normal' etc will be blown clean out of the water!
edit: relevant link http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3643847.stm
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17 August 2005, 12:43 PM
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Thats just wrong. Think these scientists should stop their fettling now. give it another 100 years we'll be living in a world like they do in Total Recall.... Long term effects on our society could be damaged IMO
17 August 2005, 12:43 PM
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/1431489.stm
I was going from memory but that is the principle.
the fact is in the coming years (genetics) what people consider 'normal' etc will be blown clean out of the water!
I was going from memory but that is the principle.
the fact is in the coming years (genetics) what people consider 'normal' etc will be blown clean out of the water!
Not sure about Dykes not being able to produce Boys - they could wipe us out. Let's hope they don't find a way of making spare wheels that can change themselves - it's our only hope for survival
17 August 2005, 12:44 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Thats just wrong. Think these scientists should stop their fettling now. give it another 100 years we'll be living in a world like they do in Total Recall.... Long term effects on our society could be damaged IMO
We are becoming such a self destructive and basically f$cked up bunch of weirdo's.
17 August 2005, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Huxley Chick
I understand perfectly that a woman can not conceive a baby with another woman in the same way that she could conceive a baby with a man. I just think if her maternal instincts make her desperate for a baby (& believe me, to go through all the prodding, poking, injections etc, you'd need to be desperate) she should be given the chance of IVF.
Problem solved.