lesbians and IVF....
17 August 2005, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
Bullying and blatant p!sstalking at school - it WILL happen.
Whispers/sly comments from people.
Possible future resentment of "parents" cos of the above.
Singled out.
Feeling of being different and/or inadequate.
Yes, it may be better to have 2 same sex parents than to be abused as a child - however when we get to the point where there are NO male/femal couples ready to take on children I'll consider the same sex parent scenario.
As for IVF, it's a no go. It's an utter pisstake, incredibly selfish all "want want want" I "want" a baby want want want.
Whispers/sly comments from people.
Possible future resentment of "parents" cos of the above.
Singled out.
Feeling of being different and/or inadequate.
Yes, it may be better to have 2 same sex parents than to be abused as a child - however when we get to the point where there are NO male/femal couples ready to take on children I'll consider the same sex parent scenario.
As for IVF, it's a no go. It's an utter pisstake, incredibly selfish all "want want want" I "want" a baby want want want.
17 August 2005, 03:48 PM
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Reality - it *is* too simplistic, yes. I/we could talk sexuality all day, but the influences are MUCH more diverse than just who your parents are. Much more. You're applying the Simple Brush to a situation that just ain't.
17 August 2005, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
How can anyone defend the idea that if 2 women or 2 men raised a child that the child most probably wouldnt grow up confused about who they should be and with their own sexuality?
Its beyond me... Its like 2 devoted Catholics raising a child. The child will grow into a devoted catholic 9x out of 10. no? being raised in that type of environment will rub off. the right way or the wrong way...
thats how I see it anyhow
Its beyond me... Its like 2 devoted Catholics raising a child. The child will grow into a devoted catholic 9x out of 10. no? being raised in that type of environment will rub off. the right way or the wrong way...
thats how I see it anyhow
LMFAO!!
sexuality is not a choice for people. it's the way people are.
Religion is a choice. you can reject it if you wish.
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
What about single mothers though? Are all the kids brought up in a single parent family going to be screwed up?
you're not in the real world mate. This is out there and happening. There are kids out there with a mum and a dad. Mum is a drunk and dad touches them at night before beating them up so they don't tell anybody. You can't say what is going to happen unless as I said before we are judging everything and everyone on a 'perfect' basis.
you're not in the real world mate. This is out there and happening. There are kids out there with a mum and a dad. Mum is a drunk and dad touches them at night before beating them up so they don't tell anybody. You can't say what is going to happen unless as I said before we are judging everything and everyone on a 'perfect' basis.
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
Hi. No need to ask me "honestly". No, i am not a father. However do not use this as a reason to say I'm not qualified to be giving input here.
I probably remember being a child alot more than you do, and for me, it is the CHILDREN I worry about here - not some modern day couple trying to put icing on their selfish little cake.
If I were gay (no comments plz!!), I would not have a child in a single sex parent scenario - even if I really wanted to - i wouldn't wish it on a child.
I probably remember being a child alot more than you do, and for me, it is the CHILDREN I worry about here - not some modern day couple trying to put icing on their selfish little cake.
If I were gay (no comments plz!!), I would not have a child in a single sex parent scenario - even if I really wanted to - i wouldn't wish it on a child.
It *does* have a bearing mate. I'm not saying you're not qualified - everyone is - but i'll almost guarantee you'll see this in a different light when you fully appreciate the parent/child relationship from a parent's point of view, that's all.
17 August 2005, 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Reality - it *is* too simplistic, yes. I/we could talk sexuality all day, but the influences are MUCH more diverse than just who your parents are. Much more. You're applying the Simple Brush to a situation that just ain't.
I would have fcuked off after about 10 minutes of sex talk with you
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
Pathetic reasons. Kids get bullied for all sorts of reason. wearing glasses, not having the latest gear, one parent is from a different race, they move from one part of the country to another. You're just looking for reasons to back up a small minded view.
I do not need to be told by people what I do/do not think. If i was thinking that, I'd say it. So, you're wrong there.
I do not think a bullied child would take too kindly to being told these points are "pathetic" if they are enduring abuse.
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Originally Posted by Reality
Normal World
1 Mum 1 Dad 1 Kid
Lezza/Poofta World
2 Mums 1 Kid
2 Dads 1 Kid
Kid from Lezza/Poofta World wonders why Kids from Normal World are different to him.
There's an increased chance that the Kid in the Lezza/Poofta world is gonna be screwd - if all other influences are the same (**** househould, one part of couple ***** off etc etc etc).
That maybe too simplistic for you - but it works for me !
1 Mum 1 Dad 1 Kid
Lezza/Poofta World
2 Mums 1 Kid
2 Dads 1 Kid
Kid from Lezza/Poofta World wonders why Kids from Normal World are different to him.
There's an increased chance that the Kid in the Lezza/Poofta world is gonna be screwd - if all other influences are the same (**** househould, one part of couple ***** off etc etc etc).
That maybe too simplistic for you - but it works for me !
What happens if Normal world dad is black and mum is white? that kids is going to be in the minority of what is 'normal' in this country. Are they then more likely to be screwed up because of that?
17 August 2005, 03:53 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
It *does* have a bearing mate. I'm not saying you're not qualified - everyone is - but i'll almost guarantee you'll see this in a different light when you fully appreciate the parent/child relationship from a parent's point of view, that's all.
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
What happens if Normal world dad is black and mum is white? that kids is going to be in the minority of what is 'normal' in this country. Are they then more likely to be screwed up because of that?
In fact that's a classic case where the poor Kid isn't accepted as white or Black (by certain people).
You're proving my Point.
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Tel. So are you saying kids that are brought up in a "normal" family can not be confused about their sexuality, it could be a tough time for any kid. But to be brought up in a world where you have 2 mummies or 2 daddies would be twice as confusing for a child. They'll be tormented by their own heads more than other kids. Try to put yourself in the situation with 2 mummies or 2 daddies, not 1 and the other. I know full well I have been brought up by a loving mother and a strict father, both have had an enormous influence in the person I am today. As I am sure yourselves all have personalities similar to their parents.... This is a different part of what my original arguement was but its a valid subject. Kids are confused enough without bringing them into a complicated family
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Originally Posted by Reality
Are you on the same drugs as Huxley Chick ?
I haven't read all the thread so this may have already been asked and answered.
what's your family background?
My guess is white, middle class, two parents (mum and dad), both still alive and living together.
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
No, I really am not.
I do not need to be told by people what I do/do not think. If i was thinking that, I'd say it. So, you're wrong there.
I do not think a bullied child would take too kindly to being told these points are "pathetic" if they are enduring abuse.
I do not need to be told by people what I do/do not think. If i was thinking that, I'd say it. So, you're wrong there.
I do not think a bullied child would take too kindly to being told these points are "pathetic" if they are enduring abuse.
17 August 2005, 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
you keep quoting the perfect 2.4 family as your example and then when another view of that background is put forward you can't accept it.
I haven't read all the thread so this may have already been asked and answered.
what's your family background?
My guess is white, middle class, two parents (mum and dad), both still alive and living together.
I haven't read all the thread so this may have already been asked and answered.
what's your family background?
My guess is white, middle class, two parents (mum and dad), both still alive and living together.
So are you Screwed ?
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
What happens if Normal world dad is black and mum is white? that kids is going to be in the minority of what is 'normal' in this country. Are they then more likely to be screwed up because of that?
17 August 2005, 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
Yep.
In fact that's a classic case where the poor Kid isn't accepted as white or Black (by certain people).
You're proving my Point.
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In fact that's a classic case where the poor Kid isn't accepted as white or Black (by certain people).
You're proving my Point.
Cheers
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I'm sure that people felt the same about the mixed race families years ago thinking that it was wrong. These families are now accepted (by most) and I'm sure in time most things in this world will be classed as normal.
My child said something to me a year or two back which got me thinking. She wanted to know why she didn't have another dad like the other kids in her school. Does that make our family strange because we (myself and my husband) are still together bringing up our children?
I know it's already been said, bullying will always be a part of life unfortunatley
kids will always find some reason to bully another child.
My child said something to me a year or two back which got me thinking. She wanted to know why she didn't have another dad like the other kids in her school. Does that make our family strange because we (myself and my husband) are still together bringing up our children?
I know it's already been said, bullying will always be a part of life unfortunatley
kids will always find some reason to bully another child.
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Tel. So are you saying kids that are brought up in a "normal" family can not be confused about their sexuality, it could be a tough time for any kid. But to be brought up in a world where you have 2 mummies or 2 daddies would be twice as confusing for a child. They'll be tormented by their own heads more than other kids. Try to put yourself in the situation with 2 mummies or 2 daddies, not 1 and the other. I know full well I have been brought up by a loving mother and a strict father, both have had an enormous influence in the person I am today. As I am sure yourselves all have personalities similar to their parents.... This is a different part of what my original arguement was but its a valid subject. Kids are confused enough without bringing them into a complicated family
What we're saying though is that there don't HAVE to be "complications", IF the parents are responsible and talk to their children, explain the situation. The fact that these conversations have to happen at an earlier age than usual could well be argued to make the kids MORE stable individuals, sexuality-wise....
17 August 2005, 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Does that matter? its a race issue. completely different subject IMO.... there could be problems but I wouldnt call them as mentally scaring to a child than the subject we are talking about
Selfish selfish selfish....many of them want children in an attempt to gain some sort of reognition of normailty. They are using children for their own benefit.
For those who genuinely want a child, i would hope that they would have the presence of mind to relaise they're placing this "child" in a huge great can of worms - slightly unfair I say.
Again selfish, want want want mentality.
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
you need to stop the bullying by educating the bully not by stopping the reason they are being bullied.
A noble, but futile, cause.
ps You stop Bullies by hitting them harder - This I know from personal experience
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
LMFAO!!
sexuality is not a choice for people. it's the way people are.
Religion is a choice. you can reject it if you wish.
sexuality is not a choice for people. it's the way people are.
Religion is a choice. you can reject it if you wish.
Im not saying the 2 points are the same Im using it as an example for how someone brought up in a different family to what the average joe of brition is brought up into....
Do you think 99% of Muslims thought about and choose their religion? no they didnt. They can choose not to follow it but most do simply because of their upbringing IMO
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Originally Posted by davegtt
Does that matter? its a race issue. completely different subject IMO.... there could be problems but I wouldnt call them as mentally scaring to a child than the subject we are talking about
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
..many of them want children in an attempt to gain some sort of reognition of normailty. They are using children for their own benefit.
Most couples (straight or gay) surely would have children as an extension of their love for each other, not as some sort of tool
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Originally Posted by TheBigMan
Selfish selfish selfish....many of them want children in an attempt to gain some sort of reognition of normailty. They are using children for their own benefit.
17 August 2005, 04:06 PM
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
Well in that case you've just told a huge number of people that they should be screwed up. Just because people are small minded should not be a reason for people not to have children.
Just because somebody doesn't agree with this does NOT make them small minded. Also, it doesn't make you modern, fashionable or hip just becasue you're on a forum harping on about how small minded people can be disagreeing with your modern and trendy opinions.
Yes, user "relaity" is hardly discreet and we do not agree on the reasons - however we do on the conclusion.
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Originally Posted by STi wanna Subaru
Well in that case you've just told a huge number of people that they should be screwed up. Just because people are small minded should not be a reason for people not to have children.
There's an increased chance of being screwed up if you haven't been as lucky as me.
Plenty of people from "less fortunate" backgrounds survive perfectly well.
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