Can pain be distinguished from suffering?
26 August 2005, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Because you're talking about things that have been thoroughly researched and discussed before, on FAR more suitable forums than a Subaru board.
To bring such detailed intellectual considerations here just makes it obvious you've put little research into this yourself, nor discussed it with people who have a far greater insight than the majority of the people here.
Ok?
As ever, Spoon, as ever...
To bring such detailed intellectual considerations here just makes it obvious you've put little research into this yourself, nor discussed it with people who have a far greater insight than the majority of the people here.
Ok?
As ever, Spoon, as ever...
It's NSR, it's a coherent thread. Everything on the board would have been discussed many times here or anywhere else, so why the negativity?
Hidden agenda maybe?
You disappoint me Tel.
26 August 2005, 01:08 PM
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But Spoon - you still don't know what your pain threshold is. You know it's not mild dentistry. What's the next experiment - Leg Amputation with no anaestetic ?
As for Fun, that's maybe a better reason
As for Fun, that's maybe a better reason
26 August 2005, 01:12 PM
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Spoon, don't partonise, as is your want. Just because YOU have a vaguely-relevant experience, as do i, doesn't make my sentiment, which i'll wager good money is accurate, isn't valid.
26 August 2005, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
But Spoon - you still don't know what your pain threshold is. You know it's not mild dentistry. What's the next experiment - Leg Amputation with no anaestetic ?
As for Fun, that's maybe a better reason
As for Fun, that's maybe a better reason
26 August 2005, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoon
Yes but there isn't any need to get too deep now is there.
26 August 2005, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Spoon, don't partonise, as is your want. Just because YOU have a vaguely-relevant experience, as do i, doesn't make my sentiment, which i'll wager good money is accurate, isn't valid.
I think the word you were looking for is patronise and you'll find that's exactly what you attempted to do to Cenobite, that's the point.
26 August 2005, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Because you're talking about things that have been thoroughly researched and discussed before, on FAR more suitable forums than a Subaru board.
To bring such detailed intellectual considerations here just makes it obvious you've put little research into this yourself, nor discussed it with people who have a far greater insight than the majority of the people here.
To bring such detailed intellectual considerations here just makes it obvious you've put little research into this yourself, nor discussed it with people who have a far greater insight than the majority of the people here.
If its the latter can I politely ask you to follow your own advice and not discuss it!
26 August 2005, 01:24 PM
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Spoon - point taken, but there are myriad examples in life where the human brain can be shown to overcome the sensation of pain voluntarily.
So unless i'm overlooking the minutest nuance of the discussion within the posts, it's a done deal all bar the intellectual jousting. Or am i missing something??
So unless i'm overlooking the minutest nuance of the discussion within the posts, it's a done deal all bar the intellectual jousting. Or am i missing something??
26 August 2005, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Spoon - point taken, but there are myriad examples in life where the human brain can be shown to overcome the sensation of pain voluntarily.
So unless i'm overlooking the minutest nuance of the discussion within the posts, it's a done deal all bar the intellectual jousting. Or am i missing something??
So unless i'm overlooking the minutest nuance of the discussion within the posts, it's a done deal all bar the intellectual jousting. Or am i missing something??
Pretty similar to a ' Best Mobile phone deal' thread (weekly) in that it asks for input.
Your reply with the 'and?' almost denoted a surprised reaction and a dismissive response to why the thread was started.
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26 August 2005, 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
To me it's completely different, Spoon. *dunno*
Ill be interested to read what, if any conclusions are drawn from this, that's all.
Ill be interested to read what, if any conclusions are drawn from this, that's all.
26 August 2005, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Spoon
Interestingly enough I had a dentist friend who fitted 4 crowns and the associated prep work plus a filling after hours as a favour really.
We got talking and as an experiment I would have the work done without any anaesthetic and as there were no patients about to worry about schedules I wasn't under any time limits for the procedure.
I guess I needed a few more breaks than had I been numbed but you really can think passed it, almost 'trance' like, and ignore the discomfort in the knowledge that it will be over in a short period of time.
We got talking and as an experiment I would have the work done without any anaesthetic and as there were no patients about to worry about schedules I wasn't under any time limits for the procedure.
I guess I needed a few more breaks than had I been numbed but you really can think passed it, almost 'trance' like, and ignore the discomfort in the knowledge that it will be over in a short period of time.
26 August 2005, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
Nobody else gives a $hit.
Time to leave the weirdos to it.
Time to leave the weirdos to it.
Wierdos is plural so who else are you implying is wierd?
26 August 2005, 01:39 PM
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That's because i don't think there will BE any. I was being sarcastic on that occasion...
This is like asking if God exists in my opinion. Seen it, done it, bought the t-shirt. But in this instance it's intertwined with somebody's personal agenda (not just on this thread), the basis of which i cannot relate to on any level. Just my opinion.
This is like asking if God exists in my opinion. Seen it, done it, bought the t-shirt. But in this instance it's intertwined with somebody's personal agenda (not just on this thread), the basis of which i cannot relate to on any level. Just my opinion.
26 August 2005, 01:42 PM
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Its fairly easy to make sweeping statements about people who have different ideas than your own. Calling someone a weirdo confirms you are either incapable of understanding or you are scared of what they represent. Its the easy way out.
I am trying to broach what is, I admit, an unusual subject for most people. I was trying to do it in an interesting and sensitive way.
Every day people are using pain to further themselves, some in more obvious ways than others. I merely wanted to see how accepting a sample audience, aka NSR@SN, were to this concept.
Telboy, just what do you think my agenda is?
I am trying to broach what is, I admit, an unusual subject for most people. I was trying to do it in an interesting and sensitive way.
Every day people are using pain to further themselves, some in more obvious ways than others. I merely wanted to see how accepting a sample audience, aka NSR@SN, were to this concept.
Telboy, just what do you think my agenda is?
26 August 2005, 01:43 PM
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Actually I was kinda hoping he was a masochistic mentalist who had to eat his own arm off to get our of Miss Kinkys dungeon. Only to find the handcuffs weren't locked! 
Nah, you were right 1st time.
Nah, you were right 1st time.
26 August 2005, 01:44 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
That's because i don't think there will BE any. I was being sarcastic on that occasion...
This is like asking if God exists in my opinion. Seen it, done it, bought the t-shirt. But in this instance it's intertwined with somebody's personal agenda (not just on this thread), the basis of which i cannot relate to on any level. Just my opinion.
This is like asking if God exists in my opinion. Seen it, done it, bought the t-shirt. But in this instance it's intertwined with somebody's personal agenda (not just on this thread), the basis of which i cannot relate to on any level. Just my opinion.
26 August 2005, 01:48 PM
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God you *have* to be "right", don't you?! The <OP>, to use our new favourite abbreviation, stated something that has been proven time and time again. This is tied into a concept of finding "enlightenment" through various means that i consider to be ill-considered. I've stated nothing more than that.
26 August 2005, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Cenobite
Its fairly easy to make sweeping statements about people who have different ideas than your own. Calling someone a weirdo confirms you are either incapable of understanding or you are scared of what they represent. Its the easy way out.
No sweeping generalisations allowed.
Just trying to guage how you feel about them ?
Your answer will confirm or deny my view on your weirdness !
26 August 2005, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
God you *have* to be "right", don't you?! The <OP>, to use our new favourite abbreviation, stated something that has been proven time and time again. This is tied into a concept of finding "enlightenment" through various means that i consider to be ill-considered. I've stated nothing more than that.
Your latest claim said you were being sarcastic!!! Where and how is one supposed to decipher that or even believe it?
Your very first response was almost good enough to be made into a Kathryn Tate sketch.
The tie-in to enlightenment loses me. It was a simple question as far as I could see.
Oh and OP is common on other boards, sorry if it confused you, you don't have the monopoly on that.
26 August 2005, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Spoon i know this is always open to ridicule, by some more than others, but "whatever". Let Cenobite continue with this thread as he sees fit.
Bovvered are ya, face bovvered?
26 August 2005, 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Reality
OK to ask tricky questions but not give answers.
Would have expected a smart reply by now from a non-weirdo.
maybe he's gone for a slash.
Would have expected a smart reply by now from a non-weirdo.
maybe he's gone for a slash.
Your username brings a smile though. I wonder how much you have really considered 'reality' as a concept and your place within it. How much have you explored it? Probed the boundaries?
It is not unusual to find those who consider themselves "normal", to the detriment of all other "weirdos", have designed a prison for themselves that they continually regret.
26 August 2005, 02:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Cenobite
What a shame. You ask me to humour a question designed to compare me to someone who preys on the helpless, someone who uses victims for gratification? I shall not humour that question.
Your username brings a smile though. I wonder how much you have really considered 'reality' as a concept and your place within it. How much have you explored it? Probed the boundaries?
It is not unusual to find those who consider themselves "normal", to the detriment of all other "weirdos", have designed a prison for themselves that they continually regret.
Your username brings a smile though. I wonder how much you have really considered 'reality' as a concept and your place within it. How much have you explored it? Probed the boundaries?
It is not unusual to find those who consider themselves "normal", to the detriment of all other "weirdos", have designed a prison for themselves that they continually regret.
I chose my name very carefully.
Everybody has their own reality - and those who are outside of their boudaries are weirdos. I'm sure I seem as weird to you as you do to me - doesn't make either of us right - just different
.Weirdo
Hope you find some answers