TonyBurns

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Dunno how you found an MY00 more comfortable? the seats aint as good, ill grant you that but the suspension on the C is much harder than any MY00 ive been in, and the drivers seat is the only place you want to be in a C, its definately not a family car, it wasnt meant to be, and considering i use to drive series 3 landrovers, its comfy in comparison to them


You get the same boot as you do on any spec c, there is no carpet, that includes the limiteds, they dont have carpet, if there is carpet in there, its been fitted afterwards, and soundproofing, considering i use to own an MY00 PPP car before this, it was much better soundproofed than the C, considering the C doesnt have any soundproofing
Also, ive only got a backbox (H&S) on my car, the exhaust note is very promentant when on throttle pops n bangs when warmed up and i think the db was pretty high for my car when it was tested on the rollling road, well over the 102 you have there for the PPP exhaust plus remember that your car has a uk fuel map, mine runs the JDM map.




They are raw and uncomfortable, more uncomfortable if your the passenger, hence the reason i put down the comfort=drivers seat, as it it the most comfortable place in the car, its a horrible place in the back (so ive been told), but you also forget to mention to anyone buying about the nice sounds you get from the suspension/stones etc you can quite easily hear when driving a C, plus then you also say about the electrics, which really isnt what this car is about, it defeats the object of owning one, then there is the depeciation.... limiteds depreciate quicker than the 17 inch probably because they are too comfy
These are a 4 door saloon, but they are NOT a family car, thats what the standard STi is for, this is a Race Altered car, its the ultimate production impreza for those who want the most focused impreza they can get, but its not everyones cup of tea, and people have to understand that when they buy it, plus the consideration that most people find the standard STi suspension too hard..... 10% extra on the C.....

Remember saying its a brilliant car doesnt mean it is for everyone else, the ford mondeo is a brilliant car, but would you want one?

Tony

TonyBurns

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I should add that i owned both the MY00 and Spec C from new, both straight from the factory so there was no alterations from their standard spec that i didnt know about

Tony

Otto-Mate

Is there an explanation of what a "JDM" and "Spec C" is in an FAQ somewhere guys?

Thanks

M.

TonyBurns

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JDM is Japanese Domestic Market, Spec C is Specification Competition

Tony

Otto-Mate

Thanks Tony.

M.

ex-webby

I dont want to get involved in a fight here as we all have our opinions.........

I came from owning a MY03 UK STi before having the MY03 Spec C. Both cars had/have the 18" PFF's, whiteline handling kit and the Spec C has uprated and lowered springs, so did the UK STi. Imho, (as the UK car was and how the Spec C is as current) there was negliable difference in compliance.

Now obviously, if it was a totally standard (setup wise) UK STi Vs a Standard Spec C, then things may be a bit different, but after reading comments by people saying the ride was really hard, this certainly was not my opinion.

As I said, all comments and views are good!

Spec-Cie,
I am nearing completion of an Article, that will be split down in to various sections regarding Engine Mods (in 2 stages), Handling Mods, Interior and Exterior Mods etc. I am presently about 95% finished testing for the first round of Engine Mods, and should have this tied by mid October. So far the article (containing as much testing, technical information as possible) for Engine Mods stage 1, is over 23 pages at the moment( ) so I hope it should be an interesting read for people looking at modifying newage cars, to find out what does and doesnt work (through controlled testing). If you can hold on till then, you may be surprised at what things have been found out.

When thats finished and launched it will be on to Stage 2 of engine mods and then on to the handling etc.



Regards,
Shaun.

spec-cie

Me too.

I don't think you've read my post properly. My family and I find the Spec C more comfortable than the MY00; especially my son whose been in the back of both a lot. Maybe you're particularly sensitive to the suspension set up?

Of course there's no carpet in a Ltd and no reason to put one in. Subjectively, the MY00 was louder; probably due to the unequal length headers and the resonator in the PPP exhaust. The Miltek has a totally different sound and we all find it less intrusive (the Miltek was fitted after spending two months with the standard exhaust on which was much quieter still).

I hardly thing 20kg of electrics 'defeats the object of owning one'. You seem to think the passenger and rear seats are totally useless: have you stripped them out of yours? If they're superfluous, don't they 'defeat the object of owning one'?

Utlimately, these cars are what you make of them. To quote you: 'saying its a brilliant car doesnt mean it is for everyone else'. Equally saying its 'NOT a family car', or that 20kg of electrics 'defeats the object of owning one' is just disingenuous; there are others in the world that have found differently.

For myself, I run it as a family car and enjoy having the aircon for long journeys up the A1. I've also taken it to the Prodrive test facility and the Nurburgring and enjoy its setup for track and B-road use; much better than a standard STi.

Maybe we'll have to agree to disagree.

spec-cie

Cool. Planning to start the mods in December when the car comes to Powerstation for 10k service. If you want comments on your article, would be happy to read through it for you.

Paul

TonyBurns

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Yet could you hear the turbo on the MY00 spool up? nope.. you can on the C

You havnt grasped what these cars are have you?
The WRX STi Type RA Spec C as its known, is a race altered car, mainly for one purpose, and its not for carrying a family around, its designed to be fitted with a roll cage and rallied, not shove 2 kids and the missus in and all you need is that roll cage, the seats need to say in on the group N cars, the group A cars are stripped bare and rebuilt from the bottom up.


As above, its not what the car was developed for, end of.

Your into your luxuries too much and the A1 must be a pretty smooth road these days (well i do travel a few hundred miles of it myself per week ) but it isnt a specific track car, its a rally car, just that this one is pretty good on the track

Possably then i do have a few more cars that i can compare the Spec C with than you do


Tony

PS, i think when tested, just with the H&S back box on the standard baffled exhaust, it ended up at 114db, could have been 112? will have to find the thread again, but it was higher than most with aftermarket exhausts on

spec-cie

Sorry Tony, that its the base for Group A and Group N rally cars isn't news to me. So what? Unless you've had the full rebuild you're not using the car 'properly'? Unless you only use it for rallying, you don't 'get' it? Subaru don't seem to think so given the way they market all cars bar the 16" wheeler.

I never said that the car's main purpose is for sticking the family in. Just that it can work as a family car as well as for track-days and B-road blasts ... which is as close to rallying as I get in mine (and, I suspect, most people will in theirs).

Given that the next part of your argument seems likely to be "my dad's bigger than your dad" ... I'll leave the last word to you.

gussy

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Intresting debate tony/Spec-cie I will be going down to Litchfields later this month to try them out and then decide,my own uk wrx modified is running 335bhp/311 Lbs and realistically I cant really be bothered to go further without spending a shed load more money on it at least with the spec c/jdm sti Im getting 320+ straight out of the box and they have a stronger bottom end if I decide to modify which I probebly will its a good starting point plus the new impreza shape is starting to grow on me.

ex-webby

Gussy,
It's not all about peak power figures, even though the standard Spec C has more of that in any case, it's the better response and better driveability. Too many people chase peak power for the sake of it (which is all good for specific purposes).... you'll know what I mean when you take one for a test drive!

Regards,
Shaun.

spec-cie

Enjoy it, I'm sure you wont be dissapointed.

TonyBurns

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Not at all, you dont have any other car? supposedly to compare with the Spec C, i have 4 in total (ones a project, then ive a nice omega if you want to buy it? its up for sale, now that is a nice family car ) so the variety for me is there, plus i do silly mileage per year, nearly 30k already on a car ive not owned 12 months yet but it does the job i need it to do, and in its own way it does it better than the C, but i enjoy the C for what it is, a road going rally car, not a family saloon, which it isnt as its just not practical, plus the hard suspension, no boot lining and the excessive noise, not the best enviroment for a family or the shopping for that reason.
But the reason i bought the C was i wanted something more hard core, but this car definately doesnt suit 99% of subaru Impreza owners, its too raw, even the limiteds are in their own way, and people have to understand its not about power, which most people think is the most important thing, it isnt, its livability, if you cant live with it, dont buy it.

Webby,
Agree with your comments about the C, its about the responsiveness, in either the handling, feel, balance or performance, and the midrange grunt, saying that with only 1700 miles on mine and a panel filter, she was pushing 312bhp and 331lbs of torque, though shes up to 315bhp now so not bad for a pretty standard car

Tony

Buckrogers

Interesting.....I consider the S202 to be more extreme then the Spec C, but then thats just me....

baddermans

Like i said its all about my sti its better then sll of yours http://bbs.scoobynet.co.uk/showthrea...=452692&page=1

TonyBurns

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More tuned and based on a Spec C, the S203 would be more extreme than an S202 though

Tony

Rasher

Tony, I thought the aim of the S203 was to compete with the likes of an M3 comfortable yet quick????

TonyBurns

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Both the S202 and S203 are based on the Spec C, both push out 320ps out of the box, the S203 benefits from twin scroll, A-DCCD, uprated seats (recaro/STi developement) and a considerable ammount of torque.
As per any S series, it was at the end of a model, ie blob eye for the 203, bugeye for the 202 and classic for the 201.
Was it designed to compete with some of the luxury performance cars out there? dunno? but it shows where the developement is going, and those nice tweaks that STi do to them, always handy

Tony

ex-webby

That would depend on who's Spec C you are comparing against!

Regards,
Shaun.

Buckrogers

Incorrect.

S202 based on Spec C
S203 based on STi

Regards

Buck

Buckrogers

Indeed it would! When are you taking your car on track?

Regards

Buck