misty

Then go and live in the states then! Why does this always rear it's head in a debate about petrol prices? The cost of fuel has doubled in the last 12 months in the states! As I stated before If you want to pay higher income tax. National insurance tax. Vat.Etc then fuel tax would come down. You can't have it all ways I'm afraid!!
dave.

P.S. I used to walk three miles to school from the age of seven. If more kids walked to school instead of being molly coddled all the time, there would be a lot less traffic on the roads, so perhaps fuel duty would be lower!! as his take would be less, so he would have to take from elsewhere. In my veiw there is simply no excuse or reason for kids to travel to school in a car.

deano555

6 Miles up several steep hills is too much for seven year olds you numpty.
You are missing the point that we are paying more for fuel because greedy oil companies are shipping refined petrol out from europe to the united states because they can command a higher price over there because the refinarys are out of use due to the flooding, and we all know how enviromentally friendly the cars are over there.
Sorry for lowering myself to your standards and getting personal but all the fresh air you got has a kid perhaps didn't do you any good and you maybe require a big cuddle and a bit of molly coddling.

chrisp

do you get taxed on sending your kids to school ?

do you get taxed if you break your arm and have to get it plastered at hospital ?

oh I forgot how do we pay for schools, emergency services, libraries, hospitals, police, highways etc etc etc

perhaps do away with the health service and make everyone pay ?

pay to send your kids to school ?

pay everytime you call 999 ?

you seriously need to look at the bigger picture and not focus on one small area which has consequences and knock ons across the board

this post is not directed at anyone as I want lower price like everyone else its just I cant see how 7.5 billion could be found without something giving elsewhere.

Its okay to say just spend 7.5 billion less but just think if someone said to you earn 20K a year now you earn 12.5K a year but it okay just spend 7.5K less and you will be okay, not that simple is it.

If it can be done then I am all for it.

deano555

Correct me if i'm wrong but where "in the bigger picture did I mention tax".
Perhaps ive missed something this week and the government have increased fuel duty ?????

rstlfscooby

Today at the BP in Hoddesdon BP Ultimate was £1.19.9 per litre, i even took a picture of it because i was so shocked i will post it later

jimmy boo

Fookin unbelievable.......erm but I do believe you.......I thought Optimax was dear up here at 94.9 until I read this thread(although i've not filled up for a couple of days)....where the hell is it going to end the price seems to go up every day

jowl

Scoobynet Group buy?

mark@wrx

My local BP is selling Ulti****e at 103.9!! I travelled 3 miles and paid 99.9. If I go 13 miles I can pay 99.9 for Optimax.

On the tail of the earlier threads about taxes, why don't the government just kick all the scrounging foreign t**ts and those f***ers who've never paid a penny in tax in their lives out of the country and save a billion or two on state benefits, after all thats what drives our taxes up. We need to take amore Australian view on illegal immigrants and push their boats back out to sea. As a nation we are too bloody soft, what did our grandparents fight for in the wars? For us to be taken for a ride by every thieving get who fancies an easy life and a free house? At the end of the day who suffers? US!

Rant over!

deano555

Mark get ready for the onslaught from the doo gooders on this board, you are not allowed to hold your own opinion in some peoples eyes.
On a lighter note just had a fantastic week up your way in the lake district, great scenery and some very good drives.

mart360

intersting facts...

but..

not all of the above use the same amounts of fuel, and some use more...

It has been higlighted by certain economic body,s that all of the above and more can be resolved with NO cost to the motorist by adding .5% tax


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the stuff that comes out of the ground.....


yes thats right by taxing the oil at source,,, ie the big oil producers will actually have to pay for it....


if i recall we allow them to remove OUR oil, and process it, and we dont charge them ,, i think it was in the region of 0.05% we take for the stuff produced...

the idea was they would have to pay for every barrell pumped, the revenue would be astonomical, but as yet to gov has got the ***** to do it...



the more astute, may want to track the article down, it was in a readers digest in the early 80,s..


any why dosent the tight fdisted get use some of the reserves of cash he has to aid us!!

still,, come the revolution


Mart

UKTexan

That has to be hurting. The prices in Houston have rocketed over the last year to. But only from $1.43 US Gallon to about $4.00. The percentage increase is hurting over here to. Katrina just took it from $2.40 to $4.00. Below is one of the reasons why. The oil industry seems to be getting help quicker than the public. Dubyah has just proclaimed, he did not realise it was so bad! (For the people, not his oil rigs, one hopes he means).

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rstlfscooby

how do i put my picture in the thread?

remfanuk

which shell garage in lincoln was this? being from lincoln i ought know whether its worth me continuing to fill up in s****horpe where i work (and thankfully not live!),as i paid 94p a litre for optimax two days ago!

rstlfscooby

slimnotshady

Thought for the day- if the sneaky b*stards hadn't started listing fuel prices at the pumps by the litre, and left it priced by the gallon there would have been more riots long before now? That's £4.60+ a gallon now folks!!

misty

At last a bit of sense in the dabate. Me and you Chris have had our arguments on here if I remember correctly? but it seems we see eye to eye on this one!
dave

mrjud

you both must get your money's worth out of every thing then i bet your doctorcalls you in by your first name and the woman behind the counter calls you a hypocondriact

k2iss

It seems there is still some people here happy to pay their tax on petrol...

But could someone make this point clear to me:
if:
- petrol tax are a percentage of the crude oil price
- crude oil price raise, then petrol price raise tenfold
- if petrol price raise, then tax paid to the gouvernment raise tenfold

WHAT THE F**** DO THEY NEED MORE MONEY FOR WHEN THE CRUDE OIL PRICE RAISE????
WHY CAN'T WE HAVE A FIXED TAX AMOUNT INSTEAD OF A PERCENTAGE!!!!

I'm gutted. It's like in Matrix, we are all here to feed the directing elite, 99% the people don't even realise that. And because of this lack of consciousness there will always be no way we will all raise our voices and make the change happen.

Keep voting their ways my good lad lemmings, and stay in your illusive comfort that everything is fine in the marvellous world of the matrix...

WAKE UP!!!!

mrjud

well said that man too many mp's on this site and for misty saying how did roofers get around 100 years ago and he's sat there on a fooking computer now whos clutching at straws

imlach

Be nice if you knew the facts....

Fuel Duty IS fixed. It's around 48.5p for a litre of unleaded.

The goverment are not raking in the £bns you all seem to think as a result of recent rises. The only additional income they are receiving is from the VAT element....which with the recent 10p or so rise in petrol pump prices, is about 1.75p extra going to the goverment.....and 8.25p going to the petrol company.

If you think it's too pricey, don't buy it. If that doesn't suit you, why not try to reduce what you use. Car share, walk, cycle, plan your trips more efficiently, etc etc. I don't believe for a second that there are not things you could do to reduce your consumption.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

I find this statement absolutely amazing considering its being made by an apparent motoring enthusiast. How about we go back to horse and cart? Or maybe they should tax aviation fuel to make up the deficit? You make a decision to go on holiday - most people dont really have a viable alternative other than to use their cars.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

Also I dont want to reduce my consumption to accomodate a wasteful government that is hell bent on taking me up the **** every time I go to the pumps. The vast majority people think its too high so why shouldn't they reduce it and find an alternative to make up the revenue?

imlach

Using a car is a priviledge, and NOT a right.
If you can't afford to run one, don't, or reduce your usage. Simple really.

Fuel duty has not been raised recently. As with ALL commodities, prices fluctuate. It is the recent large rises in the cost of the raw commodity that is currently the cause of the high fuel prices. If the goverment were to reduce fuel duty, they'd have to make up for that deficit elsewhere (probably VAT or income tax raises).

Fuel is taxed incredibly fairly. The more you use, the more you get taxed. It's the fairest method. Use less, and you get taxed less. Not hard is it.

I'd find it incredibly hard to believe that you wouldn't be able to look at your car usage and find some way of reducing that usage by at least 10% or so.

imlach

OK, so what do you suggest as the alternative tax?
2% on income tax? VAT up to 20%?

Have you ever met ANYONE who thinks ANY tax is too low? I'd rather VAT was 1% and income tax was 3%, but that's not going to happen is it.

I find it interesting though. Given fuel duty has not changed much in 3-4 years, why are "the vast majority" only now saying it's too high???? Because they don't understand the taxation, that's why! You seem to think the goverment are raking it in from the recent increases. They are not.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

Personally I think they should tax alcohol more. That way they can knock some off fuel tax and reduce this binge drinking problem we have. After all the more you drink the more you pay and you certainly don't need to get absolutely battered when you go out. What do you think or is this completely unacceptable?

imlach

You're the oilman's friend!
You're happy to pay ANY price for their product and perpetuate the demand.

Basic economics. If a commodity is scarce, yet people want it, the price will NOT come down.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

I am on first name terms with my local petrol station attendant... But I need to glug the stuff in and why can so many other countries can get away with taxing fuel less?

k2iss

So TVA is also paid on fuel duty! Ooh nice...
So that would be for £1 a litre:
48.5p for fuel duty
36.6p to petrol company
14.9p to VAT

So this 1.75p TVA increase means around 1.75% increase.
On average people are spending £100/month on petrol I believe, that would be £1.75/month increase per car.

£21 increase a year per car. How many million cars? 20 millions?

That would be around £420.000.000 for this year.

We are not so far from the billion Imlach!

Yeah no, I'm not going to walk, I'll pay and continue to enjoy and even continue to mod my scoob because I'm lucky to have the money for it. I'm sure others are going to sell their scoobs though and buy mondeo diesel instead and that **** me off...

If the rules were fair the TVA increase should reduce the fuel duty.

Basic economy rule:
People have money, people buy, economy is good, gouvernement is re elected.
People have no money, people don't buy, economy is bad, gouvernement is re elected.

At least I'm awake...

slimnotshady

Other countries probably don't spend as much on welfare or supporting lazy work-shy scumbags as we do...

RR

Fine keep all commodities shooting upwards in price, but then surely my wage should go up in direct proportion. The fact is that for a 5 day working week i only get paid for 3.5days the rest goes straight to No11. I then get fuel constantly going up, then i get taxed on savings etc, then vat. Check the forums its really becoming a big issue, crossing the £1 barrier is what will start all the trouble. I am suprised there has been no trouble already. I really hope there is, we should be able to have our voices heard. Its our right.