imlach

£420m is pretty small beer in terms of the goverment's income. Yes, they could reduce fuel duty by 1-2p by passing this extra VAT back into your pocket, but it seems we're spitting hairs here.....a 2p reduction in petrol costs isn't going to keep you lot happy!

You're all missing out on the 8.25p out of 10p that the oil companies are getting as extra income. Too easy to blame the goverment methinks eh?

The rules ARE fair. Which ones aren't???? You pay VAT on luxury goods, of which fuel is one. Basic commodities fluctuate in price all the time. Coffee is pretty high right now. Why are you not wanting the goverment to do something about the price of coffee??

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

New Labour are spending huge amounts of money on things that will never benefit the typical hardworking indiginous person. It aways shocks me when I work out how much tax I have paid over the year, especially when I start thinking about what the government is actually doing for me and the people I care about in return.

slimnotshady

The trouble will more than likely start itself when the high fuel prices start hitting business, the economy slows down, and a recession kicks in.

imlach

Yep....increased commodity prices lead to increased wage settlements, which leads to increased inflation, which leads to higher interest rates......which can lead to a recession, unemployment, etc etc. However, if you chaps are all going to go out and blindly pay over £1/litre at your current consumption rates, you're only perpetuating the demand for the commodity.

Ticking timebomb....those already up to their ears in debt are going to struggle.

Find ways to cut your spending now folks. Looking at why & where you use your car would be good for starters.

Ben WRX Bug-Eye

Certainly is going to drive up inflation which will mean interest rate rises so double whammy as your mortage goes up. Also I spend about 2 quid on a jar of coffee a month. It doesn't trouble me if it goes up 20% in price. Regrettably though I spend far more on fuel so even a small percentage increase is significant. Bottom line - it's too high and tax payers are on the verge of revolt.

imlach

I'm not seeing a revolt. Only a load of whingers that don't understand economics or how taxation works.

slimnotshady

A revolt wouldn't help unless both fuel duty AND government waste were cut at the same time. Of course we all know that'd never happen, it's just too sensible...

mrjud

just found this imlach seems he carnt make his mind up only 2 weeks ago he was saying this
22 August 2005, 11:14
imlach
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#1 How to REALLY bring fuel prices down

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Power to the people i say.
Got an email from a mate a couple of weeks ago and it basically comes down to us demanding the cost of fuel as customers, and not just being told what to pay by the oil companies.
It goes like this,
Boycott purchasing ANY fuel from ANYWHERE for 6 months for cars/trains/planes/buses/lorries.
If everyone tells 10 people about this then this time next week 3 million people will be not purchasing ANY fuel whatsoever.
Any thoughts if this might work?

mrjud

so make your mind up is it to expensive or not you can not bat for both teams all the time

imlach

HAHA. You got fooled.

That post was meant as an ironic take on the silly junk chain email that was being posted about 10 times a day on here about trying to get ppl to stop buying their fuel at Esso & BP.

In reality, the only method to get prices down is to not buy fuel at all.

Moray

Not really do you think USA income tax is higher! It is more a case of UK wanting to be a super power like the USA. When we are a pissy little island in reality, but think we still rule the world.

Moray

And its ******* like you that make UK so highly taxed!

deano555

And I thought Gordon Brown was a D1ck head !!
Imlach you are a drama queen, who would argue till the cows come home ( and I suppose you would know exactly when that is)
The simple fact that you fail to accept is fuel prices have gone up around 6-8p a litre this week because the oil companies are exploiting the disaster in America. I wonder if they will be passing on the profits from the increase to help with the releif aid in America.

RR

I think fuel is just a long line of isues, immigration, goverment spending in general, education, health care. I dont normally winge about fuel cost etc as i only use my car on a weekend. The point is these days people just want to look after themselves, i could have an extra £150 by going on the sick. Why dont i ?. Because i want to look after myself and i dont want to scrounge a living off other honest working people. To much taxation, to many scroungers, speed cameras. I have just thought of an upside we wont be able to afford to drive our cars then that means less revenue by scamera's.

mrjud

i didn't want to get personal but you hit the nail on the head i can not beleave there's 1or2 people on here that are ok with the way fuel just seems to go up and up. i bet the mp's don't moan like we do when they fill up there petrol guzzelling jags mercs choppers and plains up. i wonder why that is.

imlach

Dear oh dear oh dear. Roll out the personal insults. Typical on here.

I don't fail to accept anything. What YOU fail to understand is that crude oil is a commodity that is traded on the financial exchanges around the globe. The oil companies aren't driving up the price. It is the traders that are. It is also down to hedge funds covering short positions, which also drives prices up. Of course prices are going to rise when there's a disaster. A commodity is a finite resource. This week, global levels have been affected by Katrina. The cost of the raw product reaches a increased price on the markets. Simple economics.

imlach

Yes, and it goes up & up due to global demand - NOT do to with increasing taxes. The goverment have not raised fuel duty of late. So why are you whinging about the goverment? It's your choice to purchase it. As I said, if you & everyone else reduced their consumption, the price will drop.

mrjud

people always say:
when you go to look at a car and say whats the mpg you can not afford the car.
well your gonna see it further down the line soon people are gonna be asking that when they go and look at the mighty mini's and the family shoppers.
we pay far too much for just about everything and yet the people that pay into the system get naff all out of it.
the only benifit that should be handed out is for pensioners not the school leavers that get preg and get a house not anyone 20-50 get out and work.
and what about these uni's and colleges that pay good grade students to go and study there its all bollocks.taxes are spread out wrong.
if the oil went up 1 or 2 pa litre then just put that on the fuel but no we'll put that on then add the tax to the new figure. its all about ways to bend us further over so then can shaft us with the big political poll

mrjud

now that katrina has hit will the tax over there drop as there won't be as many dossers to support.
IMLACH are you happy with the ammount of immigrants there are walking the streets with no job.starting up there own groups over here to attach us. ourtaxes bring them over here our taxes feed cloth house and heat them then they get to buy cars and run into you pride and joy and drive off. all i'm saying is are taxes are wasted on others when they should be spent looking after the ones that pay it in.
i'm not saying its not like it in other places but where i live in lincoln there thousands of them I'm not racist but the way they look at you makes you want to get out you car and beat them with a big stick its just irritants nothing else and its our taxes that get them here

misty

One of my two wireless laptops actually mate! Look if you can't afford to buy the petrol sell the car! My analogy was that, you don't need a car, you think you do but you don't The sooner you realise that the better you will feel. I drive a car but I don't moan about petrol tax because unlike you I can grasp the fact that if the tax wasn't on petrol it would on something else it is as simple as that.
dave

RR

BBC news this morning reported "Blair has urged Brown to reduce fuel duty".

mrjud

I'll tell you what we'll spend **** nows how many millions bombing the ****ing place then we'll spend many more repairing the place then just for a token we'll bring them over here so they can start there own little army here so they can have a go back at us. and its all down to paying to much tax.
if your skint you only buy what you need maybe if the goverment had less money they would spend it where it matters

mrjud

well seen that man point proven if we were not paying too much he wouldn't think about reducing it

imlach

As stated many times, he'll claw it back somewhere else. It's all about politics, rhetoric, and spin. I can GUARANTEE that if fuel duty is reduced, you'll end up paying out more on something else (be it VAT, NI, or income tax).

Look at the bigger picture.

willfal

i said in another post 2 days ago that fuel costs in the highlands of scotland were

96.9 for unleaded
99.9 for super unleaded

that has now changed..........

105.9 for unleaded
108.9 super unleaded

and diesel is now 102.9 but dont know what it was before.

WTF, i thought it would go up but to increase so much is a fcukin joke.

Will

mrjud

the bigger pic is better at leats everyone has to pay not just motorists

imlach

That's right. People that don't drive don't pay tax do they
Motorists are taxed fairly. The more fuel you use, the more tax you pay.

deano555

Why are you harping on about crude oil prices, the price increases this week are purely down to the uk sending "refined petrol" to the states to cash in on the hurricane disaster, because the refinarys are out of use in that area so that our greedy oil companies can charge the Americans more for refined petrol, so pushing the price up here, "simple economics really"
Ironic really that we can ship petrol over the atlantic and still pay double here for it.
The problem will arise Imlach when even you wont be able to use your car, when the truckers start blockading oil companies again, thats if they don't all go out of business first.

k2iss

Well, obviously I don't know as much as you do in economics Imlach , but I suspect that all this billions £ in fuel duty tax are not only used to support environment, road works, and all car related matters.

If it is true that fuel duty is also used to pay schools and NHS (and wars?) etc..., then where have you seen it is fair that the more you drive the more you pay!!! I'd surely find more fair a VAT raise.

This is pure injustice to me and also greatly reduce people freedom to move and go in holidays, meet their familly, friends etc...

imlach

Taxation has never been singled out in the manner you seem to wish.

I don't use schools, nor have I used a hospital for years, but I still pay for them though the general taxation bucket of income tax, vat, NI, road tax, fuel duty, alcohol duty, stamp duty, etc etc. That's just how taxation works.

The goverment has to perform it's fiscal duties in a manner the elected chancellor sees fit. You are more than welcome to have your say at the general election. If the majority don't agree with you, then so be it. That's democracy.